News 2023 St Kilda Media Thread

[Jade Buddha]

Sorry backbone/senior player

 

[botts]

https://t.co/pYsqJDKtiN

Anyone got this?

 

[Mowman]

https://t.co/pYsqJDKtiN

Anyone got this?

Will put it up when I get home

 

[gringo2011]

Suggests to be that when everybody is running forward into acres of space we are okay, but that if the ball starts to move a bit slower and we get behind the opposition defenders we are no good. Or put that another way, if they drop back and cover space then they become the intercept mark champions of the world, roaming around without a man to guard, as we are all up the ground playing total team defence.

What is the solution to this? Is it to have players ahead of the ball and reduce the total team defence a bit? That is the million dollar three / four grand final non-wins Ross Lyon question.

Hope that we can continue with the forward handball and kick from a mark mentality and just get the forwards to click / buy in somehow. But I also feel an adjustment to structure will be necessary.

Probably a bit of a lack of composure from the mids and players who don’t know where to lead to isolate teammates or get dangerous themselves.

 

[hayes]

I don’t think we move the ball quick enough so by the time it actually gets forward our only option is a long bomb to outnumbered contests. We’re looking for the perfect play too much.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

https://t.co/pYsqJDKtiN

Anyone got this?

Why does 18 year old Jordan Croft look like a current day Jeff Thompson?

 

[MordySaint]

Why does 18 year old Jordan Croft look like a current day Jeff Thompson?

LOL - here we go again. More forwards to add to our list of delisted and ineffective ones over the last 10 years

Midfielders PLEASE

When will we ever learn

 

[botts]

LOL - here we go again. More forwards to add to our list of delisted and ineffective ones over the last 10 years

Midfielders PLEASE

When will we ever learn

He’s a father son to the bulldog anyway

 

[The Cobra]

Who do you get to replace him as CEO though?

Isn’t Carl Dilena still our COO?

Ex NMFC player and former CEO (& according to reports did a good job).

Economics Degree & MBA - could start in the job in a heartbeat!

 

[George]

LOL - here we go again. More forwards to add to our list of delisted and ineffective ones over the last 10 years

Midfielders PLEASE

When will we ever learn

Are we going after him?

 

[Mowman]

Isn’t Carl Dilena still our COO?

Ex NMFC player and former CEO (& according to reports did a good job).

Economics Degree & MBA - could start in the job in a heartbeat!

Yep

 

[Joffaboy]

The junior receptionist is doing big things and impressing the right people I'm told

Trainee......

On SM-S908E using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[saintbill]

Happy to see the back of Lethean. Hawks can have him. Don't trust that grub one bit.

The long term deal for a busted up Hanners was deplorable.

Shady character. Would back RTB judgement on this one.

How did he survive a footy review anyway?

 

[Mowman]

AFL round 19: All the latest selection news ahead of round 19​

Ross Lyon didn’t hold back in assessing St Kilda’s list after a dispiriting loss to the Gold Coast, with a forgotten forward a chance to come in to fix an attack that has collapsed recently.

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July 18, 2023 - 3:14PM
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06:57
St Kilda Press Conference
AFL: Saints coach Ross Lyon speaks to the media following his team's clash with the Suns.

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Forgotten forward Jack Hayes is in the frame to be called upon to fix St Kilda’s scoring woes as Saints skipper Jack Steele

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says criticism of his club’s list by coach Ross Lyon is “probably fair enough”.
The Saints have a golden opportunity in the next fortnight to shore up their flailing attacking game, which Steele pointed to as a primary concern after Saturday’s bitter 26-point loss to Gold Coast.
St Kilda remains in sixth spot on the ladder, with North Melbourne and Hawthorn to come in the next two weeks, but Steele said missing the finals from here would not mean a failed season.

Jack Hayes is set to return to the Saints’ side. (Photo by Michael Willson/AFL Photos via Getty Images)
Lyon brutally said post-match on Saturday that “there is not enough quality” in the St Kilda team to pick up the slack when star performers aren’t at their best and Steele agreed the role playing Saints needed to step up.
Running defender Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera and hard worker Marcus Windhager have performed in recent weeks for St Kilda but the likes of Liam Stocker

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, Anthony Caminiti, Mason Wood

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and Dan Butler didn’t have enough impact against the Suns.

St Kilda's scoring wobble​

Stat	2023 rank
Points for	15th
Socre per inside-50 %	18th
Inside 50 differential	10th
Forward half intercepts	5th
Forward half intercept score %	14th

Source: Champion Data

“It’s probably fair enough,” Steele said of Lyon’s assessment.
“Our best performers probably need to just keep things going and keep driving he standards but we probably need the second tier or third tier to lift even more.
“We probably haven’t had that in the last six or seven weeks of football. We saw early in the year when we were contributing evenly to our performances but that has definitely tapered off the last couple of months.”
An undefeated first month marked a brilliant start to Ross Lyon’s second stint at Moorabbin but the Saints have gone 5-8 since as their offensive game has fallen to pieces.

St Kilda still sits in sixth on the ladder but only the bottom three clubs (West Coast, North Melbourne and Hawthorn) have scored less this season.

The Saints are at risk of a second straight year of missing the top eight after a blistering start to the season. (Photo by Bradley Kanaris/Getty Images)
Lyon bemoaned mistakes kicking inside-50 against the Suns and Steele said he “can’t pinpoint exactly what went wrong but I think our ball movement wasn’t great”.
The Saints rank 10th for inside-50 differential, so they get the ball forward enough, but sit dead last for scores once inside-50.

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finished as a Demon?
Crying out for winners forward of centre, the Saints will weigh up bringing Hayes in for his first game since rupturing his ACL in round 6 last year, with subsequent foot and hamstring injuries keeping him out of action in 2023.
Hayes played in a VFL scratch match at Casey on Saturday and Steele said he “has put his hand up” and “I would love to be able to play with him”.
Livewire forward Jack Higgins (knee) also trained on Tuesday and is set to return if he gets through a test, while Jack Billings

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(thumb) is an outside chance.

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[Jayman15]

Footy Talk podcast with Joey and Rooey 18/7… yes disciples of Ross but a pretty balanced view on where the Saints really are:



From 8min 30sec mark

 

[BiggerThompa]

Genuinely not sure if we should try and stay in the 8, or just say **** it and tank for a better draft pick

If you like these vids and feel like chipping in, here's a link: BiggerThompa is creating memes about THE MIGHTY SAINTZ

 

[botts]

Footy Talk podcast with Joey and Rooey 18/7… yes disciples of Ross but a pretty balanced view on where the Saints really are:



From 8min 30sec mark

Nailed it. Kane can cherry pick and crop together whatever clips he like to suit his narrative but Ross’ hasn’t changed once.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Nailed it. Kane can cherry pick and crop together whatever clips he like to suit his narrative but Ross’ hasn’t changed once.

Kane is guilty of it himself. Remember his comments on long contracts? Sure changed his tune after JHF

 

[sauce_head]

Probably a bit of a lack of composure from the mids and players who don’t know where to lead to isolate teammates or get dangerous themselves.

Yeah the lack of leading to create space for others is odd.

 

[StFly]

He's probably a very good administrator and decision maker to get so far up in the AFL. Well otherwise went to school with a few that were there anyway. But anyway, a club that gets a disgraced sex pest who was in a communications role and had no experience inside clubland to do a review on a list isn't his fault.

If you ask your builder to fix your computer and he drives a few 3 inch nails through the case and it's still ****ed that's on you. He's probably fine when he's nowhere near the footy department but egotistical types think that they know everything and can do stuff they know nothing about.

This.

Lethers dropped from Evans replacement to footy boss purely as "eventual CEO" when Finnis left, he then brought in a banker to speak on contract law and payment schemes and a guy that had strategic thinking in reorganising the place and essentially mechanics in spreadsheets to run the joint who then buggered off to the Wallabies, so it's not like they're all mugs at jobs. These aren't general plays for someone who is invested in the role of being that footy boss, these are the plays as "I am placeholding, hey you guys who know shit, do shit plz".

Is why I segment Summers+Finnis as consolditation, Bassat+Finnis as growth and this Bassat+Lethers as action, then after 2-3 of that when terms are up, you decide largely on junking both, one or none for different. Unless it's like a potential Ratts thing where you cop the financial hit as deemed untenable.

I only missed that Rath essentially used us whilst obviously cavorting with Rugby types, but covid were strange days, so he probably just went crazy liking those dog lovers.

 

[jwikked]

“It’s probably fair enough,” Steele said of Lyon’s assessment.
“Our best performers probably need to just keep things going and keep driving he standards but we probably need the second tier or third tier to lift even more.

Am I insane in thinking he’s passing the buck here? And has missed Ross Lyons message entirely?

It’s not the second or third tier players that need to lift lol. It’s the 1st tier core of senior players, of which Captain Steele is one of.

 

[ScrappyDo]

I spent some time looking back at Ross's first season as coach (2007). I remember at the time feeling very underwhelmed - we'd come off the back of finals under GT and a style of football which was unbelievable to watch. If you look at that particular season it doesn't mirror this one but it was very win-loss-win-loss to the point we finished 11-10-1 after 22 rounds and just missed finals (probably a similar result facing us this year).

Then in the middle of 2008 it clicked.

Ross has said ad-nauseum this year is very much exploration, from the point of view of understanding the capabilities and ceilings for the players. I don't think it's coming as a surprise to him that the talent on the list in 2023 isn't near what he had in 2007. In fairness to Ross I think he's overperformed with our list to get us to 9 and 8 given the amount of game time he's given to Phillipou (18yo), Caminiti (19yo), Windhager (20yo), Owens (19yo), Nasiah WM (20yo) and now Peris (19yo). Thats 33% of your starting line up aged 20 or under.

Based on this I think we need to take a breath and remember what this year was about regardless of making finals or not. It takes time to implement a game plan, just ask the squad from 2007.

Great post mate.

 

[George]

Am I insane in thinking he’s passing the buck here? And has missed Ross Lyons message entirely?

It’s not the second or third tier players that need to lift lol. It’s the 1st tier core of senior players, of which Captain Steele is one of.

And the use of "probably" lol. Probably? Nah, absolutely they need to pull their fingers out.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Year of frustration: How 'confused' Saints lost their way

Riley Beveridge takes an in-depth look at the reasons for the Saints' recent struggles

www.afl.com.au

The killer on Saturday was this one

"The Saints rank No.1 for percentage of time they use the boundary from defensive 50, doing so 54.7 per cent of the time. But they then rank dead last in using the corridor from defensive 50, doing that just 13.1 per cent of the time."

Kick it short to the back pocket then get locked into the long kick down the line to where we have limited marking options.

 

[paddygunner]

https://www.saints.com.au/video/1383872/steele-breaks-down-saints-past-month-getting-back-on-the-horse?videoId=1383872&modal=true&type=video

Not his best moment- clueless on what went wrong- never mentioned midfield domination at source by Suns , he just quoted “poor ball movement” .