Preview 2024 AFL Draft General Discussion

[Mutineer]

So here I was all keen to watch a stream of the Rebels Chargers game on my newly downloaded CTL app but apparently I was mistaken thinking that would be a thing. And stats etc for that game don't even seem to be up on there.

What's the deal? When might I be able to expect a replay?

It was on KKommunity TV via a Newscorp subscription, replay might be available on the App during the week?
Lalor had a decent game without tearing it apart, Jagga Smith was prolific had a good game but stat pads a bit with the old 1/2, smallish utility Ollie Hannaford probably the standout playing forward with 5 goals. Underager tall Louis Emmett had an outstanding game playing ruck and around the ground. Chargers the cleaner team skills wise but rhe Rebels superior scrappers.

 

[Adnico26Parker]

All of the Rd 18 stats are up on the CL app now

 

[PortVic]

It was on KKommunity TV via a Newscorp subscription, replay might be available on the App during the week?
Lalor had a decent game without tearing it apart, Jagga Smith was prolific had a good game but stat pads a bit with the old 1/2, smallish utility Ollie Hannaford probably the standout playing forward with 5 goals. Underager tall Louis Emmett had an outstanding game playing ruck and around the ground. Chargers the cleaner team skills wise but rhe Rebels superior scrappers.

Anyone know why Ollie Hannaford isn’t even mentioned in top 50. Seems like the perfect high hff role similar to McDonald at Hawks. Has had a great last month.

 

[Mutineer]

Anyone know why Ollie Hannaford isn’t even mentioned in top 50. Seems like the perfect high hff role similar to McDonald at Hawks. Has had a great last month.

He's also played a fair bit as a small defender and had squirts through the midfield. What I really like is his aggressiveness and attack on the contest, hard little unit.

 

[The_General#1]

Anyone know why Ollie Hannaford isn’t even mentioned in top 50. Seems like the perfect high hff role similar to McDonald at Hawks. Has had a great last month.

Doesn’t mean anything. It only takes one club to like him. Port was the only club that liked Lorenz and now he’s an afl player. Anything is possible.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

How much do we think clubs think about putting likely draftees into their VFL teams? From a pure list fit standpoint Travaglia is 2nd to only Joe Berry for the Blues imo, would a club like Carlton be specifically providing Travaglia game time in their VFL team to get a first hand look at him or is it more about clubs doing their part for the u18s crop and giving them all a go?

Just curious as I reckon we'd be eyeing both Tobie and Berry big time for list holes.

 

[Off Tap]

How much do we think clubs think about putting likely draftees into their VFL teams? From a pure list fit standpoint Travaglia is 2nd to only Joe Berry for the Blues imo, would a club like Carlton be specifically providing Travaglia game time in their VFL team to get a first hand look at him or is it more about clubs doing their part for the u18s crop and giving them all a go?

Just curious as I reckon we'd be eyeing both Tobie and Berry big time for list holes.

A bit of both but you'd find that clubs would lean more to wanting to have a close look at them firsthand to see how'd they'd go in your club's environment as the priority.

Good opportunity to see their personality and professionalism up close.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

How much do we think clubs think about putting likely draftees into their VFL teams? From a pure list fit standpoint Travaglia is 2nd to only Joe Berry for the Blues imo, would a club like Carlton be specifically providing Travaglia game time in their VFL team to get a first hand look at him or is it more about clubs doing their part for the u18s crop and giving them all a go?

Just curious as I reckon we'd be eyeing both Tobie and Berry big time for list holes.

Think it depends on zones

Richmond wanted smilie to play VFL for them but he couldn’t as he’s from eastern rangers

So there must be some alliance to do with zones

Not saying Carlton aren’t interested in Travaglia however , I think most clubs would be

 

[tigs2010]

Think it depends on zones

Richmond wanted smilie to play VFL for them but he couldn’t as he’s from eastern rangers

So there must be some alliance to do with zones

Not saying Carlton aren’t interested in Travaglia however , I think most clubs would be

Carlton & Essendon seem to be aligned with Bendigo. Both had Reid play last year and now Travaglia & Shanahan respectively.

Richmond are the ones just trying to grab anyone due to having pick #1. With a pick around 10, teams wouldn't want to give away who they're interested in.

 

[captain cotch 9]

Carlton & Essendon seem to be aligned with Bendigo. Both had Reid play last year and now Travaglia & Shanahan respectively.

Richmond are the ones just trying to grab anyone due to having pick #1. With a pick around 10, teams wouldn't want to give away who they're interested in.

Richmond has also been able to ask for extra help because of the injury list.
Thats why Langford could play with us.
We are linked with Oakleigh hence why FOS and Smith could play with us.

 

[Dudoro]

Unsure on Shanahan. 2/3 VFL games were against struggling sides Coburg and Northern Bullants where he kicked 9 goals combined in these games.

Some of the looks he got in these games you wouldn’t get in other vfl games little own the afl. Don’t know what his pace is like and when the ball hits the grounds.

Interesting prospect

 

[Dudoro]

Where are the Travaglia haters now? Gone awfully quiet.
Langford surely doesn’t go at the top end. I laughed seeing Twomey form-guide with him at 3

 

[Yoda_]

Think it depends on zones

Richmond wanted smilie to play VFL for them but he couldn’t as he’s from eastern rangers

So there must be some alliance to do with zones

Not saying Carlton aren’t interested in Travaglia however , I think most clubs would be

Mt Martha and Dandenong Stingray, Harvey Langford played for Richmond in the VFL

 

[roos_fanatic08]

My updated rankings for anyone that is interested.

Few changes from previous rankings with Ashcroft pushes to number 1 off the back of his incredible fortnight. FOS slipping behind both Ashcroft and Draper. Shanahan pushing into the top 20.

Kayle Gerreyn & Jack Ough being my bolters. Have Gerreyn pushing that top 15 mark while Ough pushes into the top 30.

Pick	Name	Height	Position	Club	Comments
1	Levi Ashcroft	179cm	Midfielder	Sandringham Dragons	Accumulating midfielder that powers from contest to contest. Balanced inside and outside game.
2	Sid Draper	180cm	Midfielder	South Adelaide	Classy midfielder that has some speed and evasiveness. Well balanced with excellent vision.
3	Finn O'Sullivan	182cm	Midfielder	Oakleigh Chargers	Courageous midfielder who is strong over head, powerful runner who runs hard both ways.
4	Harvey Langford	190cm	Midfielder	Dandenong Stingrays	Tall and versatile midfielder who is strong overhead and has a booming left foot kick.
5	Jagga Smith	181cm	Midfielder	Oakleigh Chargers	Well balanced accumulating midfielder who is at home on the inside and outside the contest.
6	Leo Lombard	178cm	Midfielder	GC Academy	Combative contested midfielder who has some real zip around the contest.
7	Harry Armstrong	193cm	Key Forward	Sandringham Dragons	High workrate key forward who is at home on the lead. Excellent set shot routine.
8	Josh Smillie	194cm	Midfielder	Eastern Ranges	Tall midfielder that finds possession at will and has a long penetrating kick.
9	Luke Trainor	194cm	Key Defender	Sandringham Dragons	Intercepting general defender who can play on smalls and talls. Composed and balanced.
10	Sam Lalor	187cm	Midfielder/General Forward	GWV Rebels	Powerful midfielder, who is explosive and damaging. Can roll forward and have an impact.
11	Tobie Travaglia	187cm	General Defender	Bendigo Pioneers	Intercepting defender who can provide run and carry. Excellent defender with leadership potential.
12	Jack Whitlock	200cm	Tall Forward	Murray Bushrangers	Rangy key forward that marks at the highest point but can also find the ball at ground level.
13	Kayle Gerryn	199cm	Key Forward/Ruck	West Perth	Unique athletic prospect that has a tonne of potential upside.
14	Xavier Lindsay	183cm	Midfielder	Gippsland Power	Left footed midfielder with a damaging kick. Has some speed to break the lines.
15	Jobe Shanahan	194cm	Key Forward	Bendigo Pioneers	Contested marking key forward who times his leads and jumps aat the ball to perfection.
16	Matt Whitlock	198cm	Key Defender	Murray Bushrangers	One on one defender who can also swing forward. Strong overhead but equally adept on the ground.
17	Isaac Kako	175cm	Small Forward	Calder Cannons	Dynamic and exciting small who can kick goals from anywhere. Also pushes into the midfield.
18	Murphy Reid	180cm	Midfielder	Sandringham Dragons	Smart and classy midfielder who makes good decisions with ball in hand. One touch.
19	Joe Berry	180cm	Small Forward	Murray Bushrangers	Lively small forward who can crumb but also present an option on the lead. Classy goal kicker.
20	Taj Hotton	182cm	Midfielder/General Forward	Sandringham Dragons	Classy midfielder forward who has plenty of X-Factor. Unfortunately done his ACL.
21	Bo Allen	191cm	General Defender/Midfielder	Peel Thunder	Physical left footer who leads from the front. Uses his speed and long kicking to launch offensive attacks.
22	Alex Dodson	203cm	Ruck	Sturt	Athletic ruckman who covers the ground well and can find the ball. Very balanced for a tall.
23	Jonty Faull	195cm	Tall Forward	GWV Rebels	Goal kicking key forward who works hard to provide an option. Competitive in the air
24	Harry O'Farrell	196cm	Key Defender	Calder Cannons	Lockdown competitive defender that uses his reach and closing speed to advantage.
25	Christian Moraes	183cm	Midfielder	Eastern Ranges	Accumulating midfielder that can roll forward and impact the scoreboard. Strong overhead.
26	Tom Gross	181cm	Midfielder	Oakleigh Chargers	Tough, contested midfielder that has a real competitive streak. Solid overhead.
27	Ben Camporeale	186cm	Midfielder	Glenelg	Balanced midfielder who works hard between the arcs. Can find the ball inside and outside the contest.
28	Tom Sims	199cm	Key Forward	Northern Knights	Lead up key forward who has good workrate. Solid at ground level for a kid his size.
29	Cooper Hynes	190cm	Midfielder/General Forward	Dandenong Stingrays	Tall midfielder who is a goal kicking threat when playing forward of center. Strong over the ball.
30	Jack Ough	193cm	General Defender	GWV Rebels	Hard working and athletic half back/wing who can play a variety of roles across the ground.
31	Lachie Jacques	184cm	General Defender	Geelong Falcons	Defence first defender, who can intercept and provide drive off half back. Reliable ball user.
32	Alix Tauru	191cm	General Defender	Gippsland Power	Athletic defender who can play on talls and smalls, excellent closing speed and leap. Sound decision making.
33	Sam Marshall	185cm	Midfielder	Brisbane Academy	Elite runner who motors from contest to contest. Creates separation from the contest with his pace.
34	Tyler Welsh	191cm	Key Forward	Woodville West	Undersize key forward who is a strong lead/mark type. Neat set shot goal kicking.
35	Hamish Davis	190cm	Midfielder	Claremont	Elite runner who can play as a genuine mid or as a lead up half forward, good kick and decision maker
36	Malakai Champion	172cm	Small Forward	Subiaco	Flashy small forward who can kick goals from anywhere. Provides good defensive pressure.
37	Noah Mraz	198cm	Key Defender	Dandenong Stingrays	Intercepting defender, who has excellent disposal and decision making. Good closing speed.
38	Luke Urquhart	189cm	Midfielder	East Fremantle	Tall midfielder that can also play across half back. Uses his body well in contested situations.
39	Lucas Camporeale	185cm	Midfielder	Glenelg	Natural wingman who keeps his width and can accumulate the ball on the outside.
40	Josh Murphy	190cm	General Forward	Murray Bushrangers	Impact player who has plenty of x-factor. Contested marking threat who is dangerous at ground level.
41	Archer Day-Wicks	186cm	General Forward	Bendigo Pioneers	X-Factor player who can mark, and be damaging at ground level. Creative and classy ball user.
42	Jesse Dattoli	179cm	Midfielder/Small Forward	Northern Knights	High footy IQ, who can play a variety of roles around the ground. Dangerous and smart around goals.
43	Zak Johnson	185cm	Midfielder	Northern Knights	Classy midfielder, who moves well, accumulates the ball and makes good decisions.
44	Luca Greggo	183cm	General Defender/Midfielder	Western Jets	Workman utility who can play a variety of roles across the ground. Reliable type.
45	Pheonix Hargraves	182cm	Midfielder	South Adelaide	Accumulating midfielder who have high work rate. Can also impact the scoreboard
46	Charlie Nicholls	197cm	Key Forward	Central District	Strong contested marking key forward who provides a leading option up the ground.
47	Evan Bradley	174cm	Small Forward	North Adelaide	Classy small forward who is creative and damaging by foot. Natural goalkicking with plenty of X Factor
48	Ben Barrett	174cm	Small Forward	South Adelaide	Lightning quick small forward who has a bucket of tricks and high impact per possession.
49	Harrison Oliver	181cm	General Defender	Sandringham Dragons	Rebounding defender who uses his composure and good decision making to good effect.
50	Xavier Ivisic	180cm	Midfielder	Geelong Falcons	Reliable inside midfielder who can also find the ball on the outside. Good vision in the contest.
50+	Cody Anderson	181cm	Midfielder	Eastern Ranges	Relentless midfielder that tackles hard. At home inside the contest, can also hit the scoreboard.
50+	Nathaniel Sulzberger	184cm	Midfielder/General Forward	Sandringham Dragons	Strong contested player who offers a point of difference with his power around the contest.
50+	Pat Retschko	188cm	Midfielder	Oakleigh Chargers	Hard working midfielder who can play inside and outside the contest. Strong runner.
50+	Jaxon Artemis	187cm	Wing	South Fremantle	Hard running outside type who can also create off half back, good decision making and skills
50+	Oliver Depaoli-Kubank	178cm	Midfielder/Small Forward	Tasmania Devils	Consistent type who can play a variety of roles. Reliable disposal and sound decision maker.
50+	Jayden Nguyen	177cm	General Defender/Midfielder	Calder Cannons	Small defender who can push up the ground. Creative ball user who uses his speed to impact the game.
50+	Zaydyn Lockwood	198cm	Key Defender	Bendigo Pioneers	Raw and athletic key defender who has plenty of upside. Solid defensive craft and in the 1v1's.
50+	Oliver Warburton	185cm	Midfielder	Murray Bushrangers	Versatile type who can play inside and outside the contest. Consistent with good defensive intensity.
50+	Jasper Alger	182cm	Small Forward	Oakleigh Chargers	Classy small forward who makes the most of his opportunities. Good defensive intensity.
50+	Lucas McInerney	180cm	Midfielder	Northern Knights	Rangy winger who keeps his width and can be damaging forward of center. Good disposer.
50+	Noah Howes	196cm	Key Forward	South Adelaide	Overage key forward with strong workrate. Good ground level game and has natural forward craft
50+	River Stevens	176cm	Small Forward	Geelong Falcons	Classy half forward that makes good decisions with the ball. Creative left footer.
50+	Charlie West	195cm	Key Forward	Woodville West	Strong marking and physical key forward. Flies aggressively at the ball in contested situations.
50+	Zac McInnes	196cm	Key Forward	Geelong Falcons	Mobile key forward with good forward craft. Uses workrate to present multiple times.
50+	James Barrat	193cm	Key Forward	Bendigo Pioneers	Leading forward with good leap and excellent timing. Elite forward craft and workrate.
50+	Louie Montgomery	184cm	General Defender	North Adelaide	Composed defender who uses the ball well. Solid 1v1 player who can also create off half back.
50+	Bailey McKenzie	191cm	General Forward	Sandringham Dragons	Mercurial 3rd tall type that can impact the game at ground level or in the air. Classy in front of goal.
50+	Gabriel Stumpf	196cm	Key Forward	Northern Knights	Athletic key forward who is at home leading at the ball carrier. Strong workrate.
50+	Lucas Tovey	198cm	Key Defender	Oakleigh Chargers	Intercepting key defender, who uses his body really well in the contest. Reliable ball user.
50+	Ben Hopkins	190cm	General Defender	Dandenong Stingrays	Overage accumulating defender who can also push up to a wing. Quick and hard running.
50+	Kobe Ryan	183cm	Midfielder	West Adelaide	Mature age inside midfielder that wins contested possessions and has manic defensive effort.
50+	Joe Pike	203cm	Ruck	Geelong Falcons	Overage ruckman who competes at ground level. Solid tap work and follow up effort.
50+	Oliver Dean	201cm	Ruck	Tasmania Devils	Neat tap ruckman that can impact forward of center.
50+	Waylon Davey-Motlop	171cm	Small Forward	Northern Territory	Classy small forward who has plenty of X-Factor and upside. Can kick goals from anywhere inside fwd 50.
50+	Tallan Rozenweig	197cm	Key Forward	Central District	Tall forward who uses his leap and long limbs to take the ball at the highest point. Neat kick.
50+	Xavier Kardarchi	186cm	Midfielder	Western Jets	Accumulating midfielder who is strong around the contest. Composed with a solid long kick.
50+	Oliver Hannaford	180cm	Midfielder	GWV Falcons	Agile midfielder who uses his side step to create space around the contest. Good defensive intent.
50+	Damon Hollow	180cm	Midfielder	Calder Cannons	Accumulating wingman who can be damaging with his disposal. Long kicking a real feature.
50+	Kade Herbert	184cm	Midfielder/General Forward	Woodville West	High footy IQ, who can play a variety of roles around the ground. Sound decision maker.
50+	Harry Charleson	182cm	General Defender	GWV Rebels	Reliable defender who is composed and can provide some drive off half back.
50+	Liam Kershaw	194cm	Midfielder	Geelong Falcons	Overage wingman who offers a point of difference with his height, marking ability and running capacity
50+	Joel Cochrane	195cm	Key Defender	Sydney Academy	Intercepting defender who can find the ball and provide rebound from the back half.
50+	Loch McTaggert	183cm	General Defender	Perth	Neat defender who has good balance between his defensive application and rebound
50+	Max Rohr	197cm	Key Forward	Claremont	Overage key forward who has natural forward craft. Dangerous in the air and neat with ball in hand.
50+	Hugh Boxshall	187cm	Midfielder	Claremont	Strong running midfielder who can play inside and outside the contest. Good decision maker.
50+	Lucas Impey	197cm	Ruck	Western Jets	Elite tap Ruckman who is useful around the ground. Comes from a basketball background.
50+	Keighton Matofai-Forbes	188cm	General Forward	Western Jets	Powerful half forward type who is a threat both aerially and with ground balls.
50+	Angus Clarke	189cm	General Defender	Glenelg	Good balance between offensive and defensive game. Creates plenty of drive off half back with his speed
50+	Josh Dolan	177cm	Small Forward	Sandringham Dragons	Zippy small forward who likes to link up as a high half forward. Creative ball user with solid decision making
50+	Cody Angove	183cm	Midfielder	Claremont	Strong running midfielder who can play on every line. Likes to take the game on and plays with a bit of flair
50+	Adrian Cole	195cm	Tall Defender	Sandringham Dragons	Versatile tall who can play on smaller forwards. Good closing speed with defense first attitude.
50+	Ned Bowman	186cm	General Forward	Norwood	Powerful and hard working forward/mid who has natural goal sense and footy IQ.

 

[noobermensch]

Where are the Travaglia haters now? Gone awfully quiet.
Langford surely doesn’t go at the top end. I laughed seeing Twomey form-guide with him at 3

Why are you the way that you are? Just relax mate, we're all just enjoying some draft watching. There are no haters here, only lovers. If Cal has Langford at three, I'm sure there are good reasons for it. He might be wrong, but we won't know until things have played out and years have passed.

 

[tigs2010]

Why are you the way that you are? Just relax mate, we're all just enjoying some draft watching. There are no haters here, only lovers. If Cal has Langford at three, I'm sure there are good reasons for it. He might be wrong, but we won't know until things have played out and years have passed.

Could be because Richmond are keen and have pick #1. But we will have picks coming out our ass so the interest could be at any pick.

 

[Mutineer]

How much do we think clubs think about putting likely draftees into their VFL teams? From a pure list fit standpoint Travaglia is 2nd to only Joe Berry for the Blues imo, would a club like Carlton be specifically providing Travaglia game time in their VFL team to get a first hand look at him or is it more about clubs doing their part for the u18s crop and giving them all a go?

Just curious as I reckon we'd be eyeing both Tobie and Berry big time for list holes.

Wasn't Carlton's lack of fit soldiers through injury a contributing factor especially with Tobie?

 

[Dudoro]

Why are you the way that you are? Just relax mate, we're all just enjoying some draft watching. There are no haters here, only lovers. If Cal has Langford at three, I'm sure there are good reasons for it. He might be wrong, but we won't know until things have played out and years have passed.

It is all my opinion and believe Cal having Langford at 3 is way off where I have him. You may be fortunate to get my top 10 soon...

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Wasn't Carlton's lack of fit soldiers through injury a contributing factor especially with Tobie?

Potentially, but I'm sure we would have called up some others before going to Tobie if we were genuinely desperate. He's performed well both weeks though, just has a great competitive drive

 

[bungalow_bill]

Levi with 81 D combined for the last two weeks. I hope that he doesn't come down with leather poisoning before he gets to us.

 

[PMBangers]

Levi with 81 D combined for the last two weeks. I hope that he doesn't come down with leather poisoning before he gets to us.

Just about every Sandy player topped their best possession numbers yesterday, very handball happy

 

[richoatthedisco]

Ashcroft has a habit of demanding the ball when he shouldn't, then giving it back to the bloke who gave it to him, who is now under the pump and has to give it back to Levi. Nickname should be Toofer.

 

[the big lebowski]

Unsure on Shanahan. 2/3 VFL games were against struggling sides Coburg and Northern Bullants where he kicked 9 goals combined in these games.

Some of the looks he got in these games you wouldn’t get in other vfl games little own the afl. Don’t know what his pace is like and when the ball hits the grounds.

Interesting prospect

I was just writing about him on the north board.

Fact is down playing a combined 13 goals against men (including AIS game) at 3.25 per game doesn’t make much sense to me.

It shows he knows how to get to spots to kick goals.

Also averages 2.3 goals per game in Coates, playing key back at times.

Cadman went at 1 and despite Shanahan’s impressive numbers against men, their doesn’t seem to be much separating them.

Re athletic testing, Shanahan key shades Armstrong other than yoyo.

The whitlocks are unicorn types from a testing point of view. Well infront of everyone.

 

[Dudoro]

I was just writing about him on the north board.

Fact is down playing a combined 13 goals against men (including AIS game) at 3.25 per game doesn’t make much sense to me.

It shows he knows how to get to spots to kick goals.

Also averages 2.3 goals per game in Coates, playing key back at times.

Cadman went at 1 and despite Shanahan’s impressive numbers against men, their doesn’t seem to be much separating them.

Re athletic testing, Shanahan key shades Armstrong other than yoyo.

The whitlocks are unicorn types from a testing point of view. Well infront of everyone.

Thanks for the reply

Where am I downplaying? I’m genuinely questioning. The fact is he has what 15-16 AFL listed players feeding him the ball lace out v part time footballers. If you watched games half the time he’s unmarked inside 50 which simply doesn’t happen at AFL level.

Cadman at 1 yet he clearly wasn’t the best player. GWS was scared the others would come back to VIC.

Re the Whitlock brothers you may see them feature in my top 10 soon that’s how high I rate them. I agree with you there.

Armstrong is rated high by many but I feel that is due to a lack of high end KPP prospects.

 

[the big lebowski]

Thanks for the reply

Where am I downplaying? I’m genuinely questioning. The fact is he has what 15-16 AFL listed players feeding him the ball lace out v part time footballers. If you watched games half the time he’s unmarked inside 50 which simply doesn’t happen at AFL level.

Cadman at 1 yet he clearly wasn’t the best player. GWS was scared the others would come back to VIC.

Re the Whitlock brothers you may see them feature in my top 10 soon that’s how high I rate them. I agree with you there.

Armstrong is rated high by many but I feel that is due to a lack of high end KPP prospects.

I look at Shanahan’s testing a nothing stands out to me as a red flag. Infact it’s all better than the average 18 year old KPP.

I look at his production and its top shelf.

He’s locked goal at Coates, champs and now sustained vfl production.

Armstrong is going off 1 dominant game where he kicked 5. And if you look at those 5 you could make the same argument. 1 came from a contested mark, 1 a soft free, and the other three he was alone inside 50 (or just outside).

Factoring everything to date, Shanahan would have to be comfortably ahead of Armstrong on production.