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He’s unrestricted so you get get to force a trade. You get what you getI don’t think we would have let it happen unless we were confident of getting band one. It’s gonna be band one
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He’s unrestricted so you get get to force a trade. You get what you getI don’t think we would have let it happen unless we were confident of getting band one. It’s gonna be band one
Is there a resource for detailed (read, useful) statistics of draft prospects? eg, contested/uncontested breakdown, ground balls both hard ball and loose ball gets, etc.
I'm guessing not really (even though the clubs surely have access to one).
Watch this space then ayHe’s unrestricted so you get get to force a trade. You get what you get
If Carlton pass on Berry at that pick I'm nuking Ikon Park1 Richmond O'Sullivan
2 Brisbane Ashcroft
3 North Trainer
4 WCE Smith
5 Adelaide Draper
6 Richmond Smillie
7 St Kilda Langford
8 St Kilda Reid
9 Melbourne Armstrong
10 Essendon Lalor
11 Sun's Lombard
12 Richmond Travaglia
13 Richmond Hotton
14 Carlton Lindsey
15 WCE Allen
Did a quick mock draft on the ladder right now but added in a few possibilities like if St Kilda get a compo for Battle. If Richmonds trades go though with Sun's and Freo also West Coast with Barrass to Hawthorn.
Bump, anyone?
Pretty sure premier data cover all school footy in Victoria while champion data cover all Coates League games and SANFL games. Detailed stats aren’t available for the avg punter.
So very frustrating; as with the video coverage, I don't really understand why they wouldn't want to remove as many barriers as possible for following this stuff.
Well, if any non-average punters with access to this stuff want to shoot them my way, would be appreciated.
The coverage and the quality of coverage outside of the championships sucks, but you can’t really expect much when they are playing on regional grounds in sometimes pretty average conditions.
I guess if the demand was there for junior footy then the AFL would invest more into its production, but I just don’t think you’d have the demand to justify it.
Regarding detailed stats, they are pretty much only available to the Talent League clubs for coaching/development purposes and scouts/AFL clubs for recruitment purposes. I think they keep the detailed stats away from the public eye to keep the pressure and judgement away from developing kids.
Twomey on Gettable quoted 4.5M over 6 years (750K per year) which would make it band 2 (end of first) based on 2023 rangesHow much of a certainty is the Saints receiving a band 1 compo pick for Battle?
No question is dumb brother.Can I ask a dumb question but its one that has me baffled.
Apart from population differences -
Q. Why dont SA & WA produce the amount of elite kids (per capita) that Victoria does?
Surely those states have as many kids/adults playing the game that Victoria does, but they dont seem to be able to produce the numbers of AFL quality kids that Victoria does?
The way things are going in recent years the northern states will over take them in the future, with the numbers of kids they are producing.
Can I ask a dumb question but its one that has me baffled.
Apart from population differences -
Q. Why dont SA & WA produce the amount of elite kids (per capita) that Victoria does?
Surely those states have as many kids/adults playing the game that Victoria does, but they dont seem to be able to produce the numbers of AFL quality kids that Victoria does?
The way things are going in recent years the northern states will over take them in the future, with the numbers of kids they are producing.
Because the SANFL doesn't get anywhere near the money the Coates League has chucked at it.Can I ask a dumb question but its one that has me baffled.
Apart from population differences -
Q. Why dont SA & WA produce the amount of elite kids (per capita) that Victoria does?
Surely those states have as many kids/adults playing the game that Victoria does, but they dont seem to be able to produce the numbers of AFL quality kids that Victoria does?
The way things are going in recent years the northern states will over take them in the future, with the numbers of kids they are producing.
The VFL form might be questionable if he’d done nothing else this season but he’s clearly been building all seasonThanks for the reply
Where am I downplaying? I’m genuinely questioning. The fact is he has what 15-16 AFL listed players feeding him the ball lace out v part time footballers. If you watched games half the time he’s unmarked inside 50 which simply doesn’t happen at AFL level.
Cadman at 1 yet he clearly wasn’t the best player. GWS was scared the others would come back to VIC.
Re the Whitlock brothers you may see them feature in my top 10 soon that’s how high I rate them. I agree with you there.
Armstrong is rated high by many but I feel that is due to a lack of high end KPP prospects.
Not all VFL games are equalSANFL is still comfortably the best competition outside the AFL in the country, far better standard than the VFL.
Lindsay is a great selection for us. I would find it very difficult if Lindsay and Berry both last to our selection.If Carlton pass on Berry at that pick I'm nuking Ikon Park
How much of a certainty is the Saints receiving a band 1 compo pick for Battle?
It should be the longest of long shots.... you wouldn't get close to that value in a trade, so I see no reason you should in compensation.
The whole compensation system is shot, struggling teams pushing out their better players for another rebuilding draft pick was not the intention of free agency. It's just free draft value to stronger teams and perpetual rebuild phases for the rest
No way, the SANFL these days is nowhere near the standard of the VFL, made up of mostly honest triers, players that got passed over in the draft and past AFL players that have been delisted or retired from that comp because they couldn't get a game. It stands to reason with 14 teams in the VFL with AFL listed players and SA with just the 2, even the VFL unaligned teams are made up of a lot former AFL players and players that were passed over in the AFL draft.SANFL is still comfortably the best competition outside the AFL in the country, far better standard than the VFL.
Well not ever team gets an academy so we have to do what we canIt should be the longest of long shots.... you wouldn't get close to that value in a trade, so I see no reason you should in compensation.
The whole compensation system is shot, struggling teams pushing out their better players for another rebuilding draft pick was not the intention of free agency. It's just free draft value to stronger teams and perpetual rebuild phases for the rest
Is Trainor alot better than Mraz. Pick positions would suggest it.My updated rankings for anyone that is interested.
Few changes from previous rankings with Ashcroft pushes to number 1 off the back of his incredible fortnight. FOS slipping behind both Ashcroft and Draper. Shanahan pushing into the top 20.
Kayle Gerreyn & Jack Ough being my bolters. Have Gerreyn pushing that top 15 mark while Ough pushes into the top 30.
Pick Name Height Position Club Comments 1 Levi Ashcroft 179cm Midfielder Sandringham Dragons Accumulating midfielder that powers from contest to contest. Balanced inside and outside game. 2 Sid Draper 180cm Midfielder South Adelaide Classy midfielder that has some speed and evasiveness. Well balanced with excellent vision. 3 Finn O'Sullivan 182cm Midfielder Oakleigh Chargers Courageous midfielder who is strong over head, powerful runner who runs hard both ways. 4 Harvey Langford 190cm Midfielder Dandenong Stingrays Tall and versatile midfielder who is strong overhead and has a booming left foot kick. 5 Jagga Smith 181cm Midfielder Oakleigh Chargers Well balanced accumulating midfielder who is at home on the inside and outside the contest. 6 Leo Lombard 178cm Midfielder GC Academy Combative contested midfielder who has some real zip around the contest. 7 Harry Armstrong 193cm Key Forward Sandringham Dragons High workrate key forward who is at home on the lead. Excellent set shot routine. 8 Josh Smillie 194cm Midfielder Eastern Ranges Tall midfielder that finds possession at will and has a long penetrating kick. 9 Luke Trainor 194cm Key Defender Sandringham Dragons Intercepting general defender who can play on smalls and talls. Composed and balanced. 10 Sam Lalor 187cm Midfielder/General Forward GWV Rebels Powerful midfielder, who is explosive and damaging. Can roll forward and have an impact. 11 Tobie Travaglia 187cm General Defender Bendigo Pioneers Intercepting defender who can provide run and carry. Excellent defender with leadership potential. 12 Jack Whitlock 200cm Tall Forward Murray Bushrangers Rangy key forward that marks at the highest point but can also find the ball at ground level. 13 Kayle Gerryn 199cm Key Forward/Ruck West Perth Unique athletic prospect that has a tonne of potential upside. 14 Xavier Lindsay 183cm Midfielder Gippsland Power Left footed midfielder with a damaging kick. Has some speed to break the lines. 15 Jobe Shanahan 194cm Key Forward Bendigo Pioneers Contested marking key forward who times his leads and jumps aat the ball to perfection. 16 Matt Whitlock 198cm Key Defender Murray Bushrangers One on one defender who can also swing forward. Strong overhead but equally adept on the ground. 17 Isaac Kako 175cm Small Forward Calder Cannons Dynamic and exciting small who can kick goals from anywhere. Also pushes into the midfield. 18 Murphy Reid 180cm Midfielder Sandringham Dragons Smart and classy midfielder who makes good decisions with ball in hand. One touch. 19 Joe Berry 180cm Small Forward Murray Bushrangers Lively small forward who can crumb but also present an option on the lead. Classy goal kicker. 20 Taj Hotton 182cm Midfielder/General Forward Sandringham Dragons Classy midfielder forward who has plenty of X-Factor. Unfortunately done his ACL. 21 Bo Allen 191cm General Defender/Midfielder Peel Thunder Physical left footer who leads from the front. Uses his speed and long kicking to launch offensive attacks. 22 Alex Dodson 203cm Ruck Sturt Athletic ruckman who covers the ground well and can find the ball. Very balanced for a tall. 23 Jonty Faull 195cm Tall Forward GWV Rebels Goal kicking key forward who works hard to provide an option. Competitive in the air 24 Harry O'Farrell 196cm Key Defender Calder Cannons Lockdown competitive defender that uses his reach and closing speed to advantage. 25 Christian Moraes 183cm Midfielder Eastern Ranges Accumulating midfielder that can roll forward and impact the scoreboard. Strong overhead. 26 Tom Gross 181cm Midfielder Oakleigh Chargers Tough, contested midfielder that has a real competitive streak. Solid overhead. 27 Ben Camporeale 186cm Midfielder Glenelg Balanced midfielder who works hard between the arcs. Can find the ball inside and outside the contest. 28 Tom Sims 199cm Key Forward Northern Knights Lead up key forward who has good workrate. Solid at ground level for a kid his size. 29 Cooper Hynes 190cm Midfielder/General Forward Dandenong Stingrays Tall midfielder who is a goal kicking threat when playing forward of center. Strong over the ball. 30 Jack Ough 193cm General Defender GWV Rebels Hard working and athletic half back/wing who can play a variety of roles across the ground. 31 Lachie Jacques 184cm General Defender Geelong Falcons Defence first defender, who can intercept and provide drive off half back. Reliable ball user. 32 Alix Tauru 191cm General Defender Gippsland Power Athletic defender who can play on talls and smalls, excellent closing speed and leap. Sound decision making. 33 Sam Marshall 185cm Midfielder Brisbane Academy Elite runner who motors from contest to contest. Creates separation from the contest with his pace. 34 Tyler Welsh 191cm Key Forward Woodville West Undersize key forward who is a strong lead/mark type. Neat set shot goal kicking. 35 Hamish Davis 190cm Midfielder Claremont Elite runner who can play as a genuine mid or as a lead up half forward, good kick and decision maker 36 Malakai Champion 172cm Small Forward Subiaco Flashy small forward who can kick goals from anywhere. Provides good defensive pressure. 37 Noah Mraz 198cm Key Defender Dandenong Stingrays Intercepting defender, who has excellent disposal and decision making. Good closing speed. 38 Luke Urquhart 189cm Midfielder East Fremantle Tall midfielder that can also play across half back. Uses his body well in contested situations. 39 Lucas Camporeale 185cm Midfielder Glenelg Natural wingman who keeps his width and can accumulate the ball on the outside. 40 Josh Murphy 190cm General Forward Murray Bushrangers Impact player who has plenty of x-factor. Contested marking threat who is dangerous at ground level. 41 Archer Day-Wicks 186cm General Forward Bendigo Pioneers X-Factor player who can mark, and be damaging at ground level. Creative and classy ball user. 42 Jesse Dattoli 179cm Midfielder/Small Forward Northern Knights High footy IQ, who can play a variety of roles around the ground. Dangerous and smart around goals. 43 Zak Johnson 185cm Midfielder Northern Knights Classy midfielder, who moves well, accumulates the ball and makes good decisions. 44 Luca Greggo 183cm General Defender/Midfielder Western Jets Workman utility who can play a variety of roles across the ground. Reliable type. 45 Pheonix Hargraves 182cm Midfielder South Adelaide Accumulating midfielder who have high work rate. Can also impact the scoreboard 46 Charlie Nicholls 197cm Key Forward Central District Strong contested marking key forward who provides a leading option up the ground. 47 Evan Bradley 174cm Small Forward North Adelaide Classy small forward who is creative and damaging by foot. Natural goalkicking with plenty of X Factor 48 Ben Barrett 174cm Small Forward South Adelaide Lightning quick small forward who has a bucket of tricks and high impact per possession. 49 Harrison Oliver 181cm General Defender Sandringham Dragons Rebounding defender who uses his composure and good decision making to good effect. 50 Xavier Ivisic 180cm Midfielder Geelong Falcons Reliable inside midfielder who can also find the ball on the outside. Good vision in the contest. 50+ Cody Anderson 181cm Midfielder Eastern Ranges Relentless midfielder that tackles hard. At home inside the contest, can also hit the scoreboard. 50+ Nathaniel Sulzberger 184cm Midfielder/General Forward Sandringham Dragons Strong contested player who offers a point of difference with his power around the contest. 50+ Pat Retschko 188cm Midfielder Oakleigh Chargers Hard working midfielder who can play inside and outside the contest. Strong runner. 50+ Jaxon Artemis 187cm Wing South Fremantle Hard running outside type who can also create off half back, good decision making and skills 50+ Oliver Depaoli-Kubank 178cm Midfielder/Small Forward Tasmania Devils Consistent type who can play a variety of roles. Reliable disposal and sound decision maker. 50+ Jayden Nguyen 177cm General Defender/Midfielder Calder Cannons Small defender who can push up the ground. Creative ball user who uses his speed to impact the game. 50+ Zaydyn Lockwood 198cm Key Defender Bendigo Pioneers Raw and athletic key defender who has plenty of upside. Solid defensive craft and in the 1v1's. 50+ Oliver Warburton 185cm Midfielder Murray Bushrangers Versatile type who can play inside and outside the contest. Consistent with good defensive intensity. 50+ Jasper Alger 182cm Small Forward Oakleigh Chargers Classy small forward who makes the most of his opportunities. Good defensive intensity. 50+ Lucas McInerney 180cm Midfielder Northern Knights Rangy winger who keeps his width and can be damaging forward of center. Good disposer. 50+ Noah Howes 196cm Key Forward South Adelaide Overage key forward with strong workrate. Good ground level game and has natural forward craft 50+ River Stevens 176cm Small Forward Geelong Falcons Classy half forward that makes good decisions with the ball. Creative left footer. 50+ Charlie West 195cm Key Forward Woodville West Strong marking and physical key forward. Flies aggressively at the ball in contested situations. 50+ Zac McInnes 196cm Key Forward Geelong Falcons Mobile key forward with good forward craft. Uses workrate to present multiple times. 50+ James Barrat 193cm Key Forward Bendigo Pioneers Leading forward with good leap and excellent timing. Elite forward craft and workrate. 50+ Louie Montgomery 184cm General Defender North Adelaide Composed defender who uses the ball well. Solid 1v1 player who can also create off half back. 50+ Bailey McKenzie 191cm General Forward Sandringham Dragons Mercurial 3rd tall type that can impact the game at ground level or in the air. Classy in front of goal. 50+ Gabriel Stumpf 196cm Key Forward Northern Knights Athletic key forward who is at home leading at the ball carrier. Strong workrate. 50+ Lucas Tovey 198cm Key Defender Oakleigh Chargers Intercepting key defender, who uses his body really well in the contest. Reliable ball user. 50+ Ben Hopkins 190cm General Defender Dandenong Stingrays Overage accumulating defender who can also push up to a wing. Quick and hard running. 50+ Kobe Ryan 183cm Midfielder West Adelaide Mature age inside midfielder that wins contested possessions and has manic defensive effort. 50+ Joe Pike 203cm Ruck Geelong Falcons Overage ruckman who competes at ground level. Solid tap work and follow up effort. 50+ Oliver Dean 201cm Ruck Tasmania Devils Neat tap ruckman that can impact forward of center. 50+ Waylon Davey-Motlop 171cm Small Forward Northern Territory Classy small forward who has plenty of X-Factor and upside. Can kick goals from anywhere inside fwd 50. 50+ Tallan Rozenweig 197cm Key Forward Central District Tall forward who uses his leap and long limbs to take the ball at the highest point. Neat kick. 50+ Xavier Kardarchi 186cm Midfielder Western Jets Accumulating midfielder who is strong around the contest. Composed with a solid long kick. 50+ Oliver Hannaford 180cm Midfielder GWV Falcons Agile midfielder who uses his side step to create space around the contest. Good defensive intent. 50+ Damon Hollow 180cm Midfielder Calder Cannons Accumulating wingman who can be damaging with his disposal. Long kicking a real feature. 50+ Kade Herbert 184cm Midfielder/General Forward Woodville West High footy IQ, who can play a variety of roles around the ground. Sound decision maker. 50+ Harry Charleson 182cm General Defender GWV Rebels Reliable defender who is composed and can provide some drive off half back. 50+ Liam Kershaw 194cm Midfielder Geelong Falcons Overage wingman who offers a point of difference with his height, marking ability and running capacity 50+ Joel Cochrane 195cm Key Defender Sydney Academy Intercepting defender who can find the ball and provide rebound from the back half. 50+ Loch McTaggert 183cm General Defender Perth Neat defender who has good balance between his defensive application and rebound 50+ Max Rohr 197cm Key Forward Claremont Overage key forward who has natural forward craft. Dangerous in the air and neat with ball in hand. 50+ Hugh Boxshall 187cm Midfielder Claremont Strong running midfielder who can play inside and outside the contest. Good decision maker. 50+ Lucas Impey 197cm Ruck Western Jets Elite tap Ruckman who is useful around the ground. Comes from a basketball background. 50+ Keighton Matofai-Forbes 188cm General Forward Western Jets Powerful half forward type who is a threat both aerially and with ground balls. 50+ Angus Clarke 189cm General Defender Glenelg Good balance between offensive and defensive game. Creates plenty of drive off half back with his speed 50+ Josh Dolan 177cm Small Forward Sandringham Dragons Zippy small forward who likes to link up as a high half forward. Creative ball user with solid decision making 50+ Cody Angove 183cm Midfielder Claremont Strong running midfielder who can play on every line. Likes to take the game on and plays with a bit of flair 50+ Adrian Cole 195cm Tall Defender Sandringham Dragons Versatile tall who can play on smaller forwards. Good closing speed with defense first attitude. 50+ Ned Bowman 186cm General Forward Norwood Powerful and hard working forward/mid who has natural goal sense and footy IQ.
Does that really apply here though? We aren't pushing him out, we're matching the money on his offer. But as an unrestricted free agent, there is nothing we can do if he decides to leave. We can't influence the compo with the threat of a match, only promise to pay the same and hope he staysIt should be the longest of long shots.... you wouldn't get close to that value in a trade, so I see no reason you should in compensation.
The whole compensation system is shot, struggling teams pushing out their better players for another rebuilding draft pick was not the intention of free agency. It's just free draft value to stronger teams and perpetual rebuild phases for the rest
After reading all the answers i still like yours best my fellow Victorian. ha ha.No question is dumb brother.
Vic just simply breed em better. It's in our blood as Vic's, sort of like the the Vikings when it came to war
S.A and W.A one day will hopefully catch up to us