No Oppo Supporters 2024 AFL General Discussion

[Kbroome]

I don't understand the hate for the sub. Biggest thing is maintaining 4 v 4 on the bench in the case of an injury. Don't understand how 5 on the bench is a response to this.

Because thats how it works in theory but in actuality you still have the problem of 4v3 on the bench when potential concussions occur because sometimes it takes up to 10-15 minutes for a player to be ruled out through concussion. It also leads to the counterintuitive decision sometimes to just sub out a player with 20 minutes to go because of a potential concussion when they actually don't have a concussion so in actuality it is one of the worst rules within the AFL when there is an obvious change available

 

[SM]

Because thats how it works in theory but in actuality you still have the problem of 4v3 on the bench when potential concussions occur because sometimes it takes up to 10-15 minutes for a player to be ruled out through concussion. It also leads to the counterintuitive decision sometimes to just sub out a player with 20 minutes to go because of a potential concussion when they actually don't have a concussion so in actuality it is one of the worst rules within the AFL when there is an obvious change available

Thats an issue with concussion protocols not the sub.

 

[Kiama Chris]

One of these players maybe worthy of a second chance but watch us pick up NO ONE as a delisted free agent

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1250830

Looks as if all three are injury prone or just haven't come on (Hotton). Hayes looked really good but makes Sam Reid look amazingly healthy. Pass.

 

[Bandicoot]

Can

I don't understand the hate for the sub. Biggest thing is maintaining 4 v 4 on the bench in the case of an injury. Don't understand how 5 on the bench is a response to this.

Can you imagine what it would be like to make your debut and have all your family fly in to watch you play only to discover that you're the sub. You get on the ground at the 15 minute mark of the last quarter.
Luck plays a part in every sport. If you cop an early injury and then only have 4 on the bench to their 5, so be it.
What if you get two early injuries? Can't ask the opposition to take one off to even things up.

 

[SM]

Can

Can you imagine what it would be like to make your debut and have all your family fly in to watch you play only to discover that you're the sub. You get on the ground at the 15 minute mark of the last quarter.
Luck plays a part in every sport. If you cop an early injury and then only have 4 on the bench to their 5, so be it.
What if you get two early injuries? Can't ask the opposition to take one off to even things up.

Yeah that would suck but again that's not a fundamental issue with the rule. Coaches are perfectly free not to name debutants as the sub.

We're getting into extreme hypotheticals if we're scrapping the sub rule because a club may have 2-3 injuries in a game. How many subs do you want?

1 isn't too intrusive on the bench but gives some compensation in the event of an injury. Anything beyond that is bad luck. Clubs are welcome to name whoever they want as the sub, there's not some 'most junior player in the side' element to the rule.

 

[Kbroome]

Thats an issue with concussion protocols not the sub.

Can't change the concussion protocol given its their for player safety. Removing the medical sub and going to a flat 4 or 5 on the bench is the optimum

 

[SM]

Can't change the concussion protocol given its their for player safety. Removing the medical sub and going to a flat 4 or 5 on the bench is the optimum

No it's not, I'm saying while a player is off being checked for concussion you could allow the sub to activate and if the player doesn't have concussion symptoms they can be 're-subbed'. That's a change in the protocol, and the very obvious one you seem to be suggesting.

A flat 4 or 5 is not the optimum and no one has been able to provide a compelling case other than 'gee it'd suck for a debutant' - that's up to the coach - or 'gee it'd suck if they get 2-3 injuries' - that's just bad luck.

The optimum is providing a consistent bench for both teams for as much of the game as possible outside of freak circumstances, and that's what the sub provides.

 

[Kbroome]

No it's not, I'm saying while a player is off being checked for concussion you could allow the sub to activate and if the player doesn't have concussion symptoms they can be 're-subbed'. That's a change in the protocol.

A flat 4 or 5 is not the optimum and no one has been able to provide a compelling case other than 'gee it'd suck for a debutant' - that's up to the coach - or 'gee it'd suck if they get 2-3 injuries' - that's just bad luck.

The optimum is providing a consistent bench for both teams for as much of the game as possible outside of freak circumstances, and that's what the sub provides.

So a change to the rules and application of the sub rule falls somehow falls under the concussion protocol. What if a player had a foot injury but they acted as if they had a head injury how would that work?

It has nothing to do with concussion protocol but the application of the sub rule.

 

[SM]

So a change to the rules and application of the sub rule falls somehow falls under the concussion protocol. What if a player had a foot injury but they acted as if they had a head injury how would that work?

It has nothing to do with concussion protocol but the application of the sub rule.

I don't even know what you're asking here?

But again, the fact we're coming up with these silly, extreme hypotheticals to undermine the rule just shows that no one has a reasonable case against it.

 

[Bandicoot]

I don't even know what you're asking here?

But again, the fact we're coming up with these silly, extreme hypotheticals to undermine the rule just shows that no one has a reasonable case against it

The sub rule creates havoc with my dream team. That alone is good reason to get rid of it.

 

[SM]

The sub rule creates havoc with my dream team. That alone is good reason to get rid of it.

To be honest that genuinely is the strongest argument for removing it haha.

 

[caesar88]

I find it really quite difficult to respect Kane Cornes and discussions like this are exactly why.



"It's hard to wrap your head around how this can happen, for such a talented young player", Cornes says in regards to Jaidyn Stephenson

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Jaidyn Stephenson

Age

25

Ht

189cm

Wt

79kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

8.8

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.5

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

6.7

3star

HB

4.3

3star

M

3.5

3star

T

2.7

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

12.6

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.4

5star

losing his love of the game and retiring at 25.

Well, let's break down how it can happen, Kane.

Talented young player hits an ordinary run of form, as can often happen, and certain media personalities get on their radio programs and make this talented young player's form a talking point for thousands of listeners.

Talented young player has a few ordinary efforts in a game, as can often happen, and certain media personalities get on their weekly TV shows and single out vision of those efforts with snarky remarks thrown in for extra measure.

Talented young player signs a contract that both he and his club obviously agreed on, to simply better his life, and certain media personalities go on air with a laundry list of reasons as to why the talented young player doesn't deserve that money, has handicapped his club's prospects, etc.

Talented young player tries to avoid media of all forms because of all of the above, but all of the above is so persistently, relentlessly circulated by certain media personalities who are paid very well to do nothing but find things to talk about and take issue with, that it all eventually reaches the talented young player anyway.

Talented young player is then trying to fulfil his potential while battling the pressure of intense media and public scrutiny, as if it wasn't hard enough already.

I don't know if Kane Cornes played any part in Stephenson's retirement but that is not the point I'm making. The point I'm making is that if Cornes wants to be in the business of being a scrutiny vulture, then that's his choice and his business. But he can't then play dumb as to the effect that that business has on AFL players and their love of the game.

 

[rustycrate]

Chris Scott

Chris Scott

Age

48

Ht

182cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.2

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.4

3star

/ Geelong soft cap

 

[ShireSwan]

Surely a career in rocket science awaits the brilliant mind that gambled on his own games, then dobbed himself in - and also broke his hip getting on a mountain bike while on the drink, oh and then gave up $500k for playing footy next year to....earn a fraction of that I'd guess.

'Not as passionate as I once was': Roo explains shock retirement

Jaidyn Stephenson has retired after seven seasons across Collingwood and North Melbourne

www.afl.com.au

 

[caesar88]

Chris Scott / Geelong soft cap

I've looked into my crystal ball, and... wait... I'm getting something... ahhhh yes. The AFL have cleared Geelong & Chris Scott of any wrongdoing.

 

[bedford]

Surely a career in rocket science awaits the brilliant mind that gambled on his own games, then dobbed himself in - and also broke his hip getting on a mountain bike while on the drink, oh and then gave up $500k for playing footy next year to....earn a fraction of that I'd guess.

'Not as passionate as I once was': Roo explains shock retirement

Jaidyn Stephenson has retired after seven seasons across Collingwood and North Melbourne

www.afl.com.au

Have you had a perfect life ! they are young boys and everyone is different mentally , he's walking away from most kids dreams . Good luck to him whatever he does

 

[SM]

I find it really quite difficult to respect Kane Cornes and discussions like this are exactly why.



"It's hard to wrap your head around how this can happen, for such a talented young player", Cornes says in regards to Jaidyn Stephenson losing his love of the game and retiring at 25.

Well, let's break down how it can happen, Kane.

Talented young player hits an ordinary run of form, as can often happen, and certain media personalities get on their radio programs and make this talented young player's form a talking point for thousands of listeners.

Talented young player has a few ordinary efforts in a game, as can often happen, and certain media personalities get on their weekly TV shows and single out vision of those efforts with snarky remarks thrown in for extra measure.

Talented young player signs a contract that both he and his club obviously agreed on, to simply better his life, and certain media personalities go on air with a laundry list of reasons as to why the talented young player doesn't deserve that money, has handicapped his club's prospects, etc.

Talented young player tries to avoid media of all forms because of all of the above, but all of the above is so persistently, relentlessly circulated by certain media personalities who are paid very well to do nothing but find things to talk about and take issue with, that it all eventually reaches the talented young player anyway.

Talented young player is then trying to fulfil his potential while battling the pressure of intense media and public scrutiny, as if it wasn't hard enough already.

I don't know if Kane Cornes played any part in Stephenson's retirement but that is not the point I'm making. The point I'm making is that if Cornes wants to be in the business of being a scrutiny vulture, then that's his choice and his business. But he can't then play dumb as to the effect that that business has on AFL players and their love of the game.

Yeah just like young players could read comments on here which could also impact them. At the end of the day players know what they're going into, and he's not a young player anymore, he's just pretty shit and clearly saw the writing on the wall and didn't have it in him to go through another pre-season. Pretty typical of a pea heart like Stephenson over his career.

 

[Olian]

Yeah just like young players could read comments on here which could also impact them. At the end of the day players know what they're going into, and he's not a young player anymore, he's just pretty shit and clearly saw the writing on the wall and didn't have it in him to go through another pre-season. Pretty typical of a pea heart like Stephenson over his career.

Stephenson has a heart condition that he has to manage for the rest of his life. Been doing so throughout his AFL career.

Maybe he has to look at life outside of football and the stresses he puts his body through and query why?

 

[SM]

Stephenson has a heart condition that he has to manage for the rest of his life. Been doing so throughout his AFL career.

Maybe he has to look at life outside of football and the stresses he puts his body through and query why?

Thats fine too but also nothing to do with Cornes. If that's the reason you'd think he'd mention it though.

 

[Olian]

Thats fine too but also nothing to do with Cornes. If that's the reason you'd think he'd mention it though.

Cornes retired mid season once he played his 300th game to become a fire man amongst other things. Some would argue that’s selfish.

Seems odd that Cornes is hanging a player out to dry who decides he’s no longer invested and quits at the end of the season.

However. fair enough if you think Cornes is the voice of reason on this topic and it’s better if players retire mid season?

 

[SM]

Cornes retired mid season once he played his 300th game to become a fire man amongst other things. Some would argue that’s selfish.

Seems odd that Cornes is hanging a player out to dry who decides he’s no longer invested and quits at the end of the season.

However. fair enough if you think Cornes is the voice of reason on this topic and it’s better if players retire mid season?

Cornes has said he regrets the way he retired and would do it differently if he could, seems a bit weird to fixate on him though. Some people really are hung up on him.

 

[TheGoatBaron]

I can never underrating why clubs do this but oh well. I like the fact we’re keeping Francis. It upsets some

 

[TheGoatBaron]

Cornes has said he regrets the way he retired and would do it differently if he could, seems a bit weird to fixate on him though. Some people really are hung up on him.

For right or wrong, at least Cornes doesn’t back down from an opinion. I don’t mind him even if he talks shit sometimes

 

[Kbroome]

I can never underrating why clubs do this but oh well. I like the fact we’re keeping Francis. It upsets some

I like it that we have done it in this manner because it means we get better draft talent in as we have main list spots open rather than rookie slots

 

[TheGoatBaron]

I like it that we have done it in this manner because it means we get better draft talent in as we have main list spots open rather than rookie slots

Hopefully we can pick someone up as a delisted free agent