List Mgmt. 2024 Draft - Post Trade Period Edition

[Ctl]

Who ?

armstrong, touch and go to be there at 10 and 11. St Kilda or melbourne might take him just before

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

Exactly , if some peanut said best to just grab them as fa , mods ban em , an exercise in stupidity

Not really when you look at the recent flag winning teams
They have all acquired a key forward via fa or trade

Brisbane (Daniher)
Collingwood (McStay) (was injured but still acquired using the list strategy that won them the flag)
Geelong (Cameron)
Melbourne (Brown)
Richmond (Lynch)

Of course it isn’t easy but it’s clear that the best sides are the ones who can pull the trigger and get big key position forwards through the door from other clubs

The last six premiers brought in a key forward from another club. Obviously McStay didn’t make GF day and in ‘17 trading in Caddy and Towner helped big time.
And before us Boyd to the Bulldogs and Gunston to the Hawks.

A destination club on the right track can get them.

Ps. I’m not using that as a reason to not draft a key forward; just that it’s not panic stations.

 

[Bird Man]

Poster named Quigley who did the mock draft.
I'm pretty sure my second link shows the entire mock draft which was very detailed.

Quigley's 2009 Mock (Warning: longer than ever)

Okay as per usual my mock is very long. Don’t say you weren’t warned. I will also give my usual disclaimer that I have not seen a huge amount of each of these guys but I have seen a few games of most of them and have watched and read as much as I can. In the games I do watch I try to pay...

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The 2009 draft was the last time I did follow the draft relatively closely and it's funny how it's panned out.
John Butcher at the time was lauded to be the next KF sensation and that never translated to AFL level.
Kane Lucas & Bastinac were some of the standout next tier mids accumulators who ended up having solid careers but not the level they were talked up to be.

In hindsight it was a pretty solid draft littered with some absolute stars of the game (Martin, Fyfe & Gawn)

interesting Langford sounds more like martin than lalor... Difference langford is agreat over head mark.

 

[tigs2010]

The last six premiers brought in a key forward from another club. Obviously McStay didn’t make GF day and in ‘17 trading in Caddy and Towner helped big time.
And before us Boyd to the Bulldogs and Gunston to the Hawks.

A destination club on the right track can get them.

Ps. I’m not using that as a reason to not draft a key forward; just that it’s not panic stations.

Is Kennedy and WC too big of a stretch?

 

[Drunken Wookie]

Who ?

 

[THE_GUN]

We should have drafted a key forward in any of the last 3 years but didn't. It was obvious then that we needed a jack replacement and now we need a jack, and a lynch replacement.

Yet here we are with the greatest draft haul in a generation and we're saying to pass again?

And then we squander a flush draft hand next year to finally get one?

Which Key Foward should we have drafted ?

 

[Danog]

Which Key Foward should we have drafted ?

JVR

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

Is Kennedy and WC too big of a stretch?

Nah. Forgot about him.

Probably a happy accident in a way. Judd demanded they get well compensated.

 

[THE_GUN]

JVR

I dont think he is really the type of KPF we need , He is more your 2nd /3rd tall

 

[Trahanas22]

Not really when you look at the recent flag winning teams
They have all acquired a key forward via fa or trade

Brisbane (Daniher)
Collingwood (McStay) (was injured but still acquired using the list strategy that won them the flag)
Geelong (Cameron)
Melbourne (Brown)
Richmond (Lynch)

Of course it isn’t easy but it’s clear that the best sides are the ones who can pull the trigger and get big key position forwards through the door from other clubs

Interesting thing to notice about all these forwards you named is that the teams that attracted them as trades/free agents were regular finalists and flag contenders when they signed contracts with them. Richmond will be a basket case, at least in the near future. Who in their right mind will come to us in the next five years or so?

Another thing, they joined established forwards at their new clubs. As top-ups. Cameron and Hawkins, Lynch and Riewoldt, McStay and Mihocek, Daniher and Cameron etc. Who are the current established forwards at Richmond? Lynch? Lynch will retire either next year or 2026. He is pretty much done. We have none. Zilch. We are at the start of a deep rebuilt. We need to develop a whole new team basically. From scratch. Including forwards, especially key forwards.

An example: Jack Riewoldt was drafted and home-developed by the Tigers and it was a better forward than all the ones you listed, across his whole career. As foundational a player, as Martin, Rance and Cotchin were. A true pillar of Richmond’s dynasty. And Jack was developed along with the mids and defenders. He wasn’t parachuted in 2017 when we were about to start winning finals and grand finals. Team synchronicity, I think it’s called.

Don’t buy, or at least buy after you develop your own. All the destination teams of the forwards you listed did exactly that. Don’t put the cart before the horse, confusing top-ups with foundational players...

 

[Danog]

I dont think he is really the type of KPF we need , He is more your 2nd /3rd tall

We didn't have Lefau or Bauer at the time.

 

[gunnagunnagunna]

Keep up with the times lads.

The world of acquiring players is going to be a vastly different landscape to what we're used to seeing.

Contracts mean diddly squat, look what happened with Rioli and Bolton.

Using next year as an example (which is too early for us to be buying players) We'll have two 1st round picks, the rules for future trading have changed where we can trade up to 2 years of future picks so add another two 1st round picks. We'll have a massive amount of cap space that we can use to purchase further picks, maybe another 1st rounder.

So a conservative assessment would see us having access to 5 x 1st round picks next year and a war chest of $5m+

As of next year clubs will be able to bank 10% of their salary cap for 3 years rather than the current 5% for 2 years, how freaking huge would our war chest then be? The timing couldn't be better with Tassie pillaging the draft and uncontracted players from 2027.

I have no doubt that our club has a very good handle on where our list rebuild will be come 2027, all of this angst and wringing of hands over this current draft will be long forgotten when we attack the market with an arsenal that no other club is in, or has ever been in, a position to amass.

Is that 10% for 3 years total or is it 3 years of 10% giving 30% total

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[Noidnadroj]

To all those saying we should’ve drafted more KPF’s in recent years …

We had Lynch arrive in 2019, with Jack still at the peak of his powers … Oscar Allen

12

Oscar Allen

Age

25

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

was drafted to Eagles in 2017, so obviously wasn’t a target given Lynch was ‘in the works’.

Exactly who are these KPF’s we had access to but didn’t draft?

There’s Ricciardi … averaging 1.7 goals and goal assists per game in his career.

There’s JVR…averaging 1.7 goals and GA’s. He’s promising but I’m not calling that a big miss just yet.

In 2024 Lefau averaged 2.0 goals and goal assists per game.

In his 6-game career, Bauer averages 1.7 goals
and GA per game (taking out his injured game).

So let’s not all act like we’ve been missing all these transformational KPF’s in multiple national drafts. Elite level KPF’s capable of 2.5+ goals and GA’s per game are bloody hard to find.

Lefau and Bauer may just be as effective at hitting the scoreboard as JVR and Riccardi.


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[NZ_Tiger]

To all those saying we should’ve drafted more KPF’s in recent years …

We had Lynch arrive in 2019, with Jack still at the peak of his powers … Oscar Allen

12

Oscar Allen

Age

25

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

was drafted to Eagles in 2017, so obviously wasn’t a target given Lynch was ‘in the works’.

Exactly who are these KPF’s we had access to but didn’t draft?

There’s Ricciardi … averaging 1.7 goals and goal assists per game in his career.

There’s JVR…averaging 1.7 goals and GA’s. He’s promising but I’m not calling that a big miss just yet.

In 2024 Lefau averaged 2.0 goals and goal assists per game.

In his 6-game career, Bauer averages 1.7 goals
and GA per game (taking out his injured game).

So let’s not all act like we’ve been missing all these transformational KPF’s in multiple national drafts. Elite level KPF’s capable of 2.5+ goals and GA’s per game are bloody hard to find.

Lefau and Bauer may just be as effective at hitting the scoreboard as JVR and Riccardi.


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That’s stupid talk. We should have started drafting kpf 5 years ago and should always have a couple developing on the list.

When we drafted Jack we still richo and Schultz. If we’d been as delusional back then we’d not have won any flags.

Doesn’t matter though. We will take a key forward. Our list team have learnt their lesson the last two seasons.


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[tigerdan]

Which Key Foward should we have drafted ?

Any of them that were available with our picks. Even if they were lowly rated. Get them on the conveyor belt of development so that we wouldn't end up in this mess.

We might not have known Tom Lynch was going to be injured but we knew Jack was going to retire.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

musclyarms is the same height as cadman, more agile (beat FOS in agility at combine), follows up harder and is a much better kick at goal. has a leap, high forward IQ and can take a pack mark. why **** around?

 

[THE THIN MAN]

The draft is where ‘pure gold’ is found

AFL draft expert Cal Twomey has provided an analysis outlining why utilising the draft system is so important for AFL clubs.

www.richmondfc.com.au

 

[Tortured Tiger]

The draft is where ‘pure gold’ is found

AFL draft expert Cal Twomey has provided an analysis outlining why utilising the draft system is so important for AFL clubs.

www.richmondfc.com.au

Interesting read, hard to argue with those stats.

 

[Thrillhouse!]

A lot of early phantom top 10’s included Murphy Reid in them. Even ones after combine was over. Now a lot have him slipping. Any reason for this?

I could be wrong but I would see him rated in that 5-10 bracket. Now seems in that 10-20 bracket


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[Maurice Mitchell]

A lot of early phantom top 10’s included Murphy Reid in them. Even ones after combine was over. Now a lot have him slipping. Any reason for this?

I could be wrong but I would see him rated in that 5-10 bracket. Now seems in that 10-20 bracket


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I’m no authority but I watched a game hoping to be impressed by him because everything I’d seen looked so good.

Had 20+ possessions and I reckon 2 kicks hit a target. Everything else was fine but his kicking that day turned me right off

 

[tigerdan]

We've added Bauer, Lefau, Gray in that time and traded for Kozi. People aren't saying to not draft a key forward, they are saying to not restrict ourselves at draft time in search of a key forward.

If we have multiple picks next year we can chase players in the trade space that we deem as a need/priority like freo have done this year.

There's some people here saying to not bother. And a few are talking about stockpiling future 1sts specifically to get Cadman.

This is a once in a generation chance to set us up for 10 years. I've got no problem taking best available at the start but there comes a time where you need to draft for needs.

I'm actually more disappointed and surprised at the decisions made 3 years or so ago. Ultimately it doesn't matter what us pundits think, the club will make their own choices and we'll just have to live with them.

 

[_RT_]

Would we consider offering 4 x r1 for cadman

Unless he is the 2nd coming of Lockett Dunstall or Ablett Sr then no

 

[_RT_]

We should have drafted a key forward in any of the last 3 years but didn't. It was obvious then that we needed a jack replacement and now we need a jack, and a lynch replacement.

Yet here we are with the greatest draft haul in a generation and we're saying to pass again?

And then we squander a flush draft hand next year to finally get one?

Too many seem to have the hearts set on picking up a ready-made option like Cadman that they seemingly ignore the fact we can and should be picking up quality KPP and ruck talent in this draft

 

[_RT_]

We've added Bauer, Lefau, Gray in that time and traded for Kozi. People aren't saying to not draft a key forward, they are saying to not restrict ourselves at draft time in search of a key forward.

If we have multiple picks next year we can chase players in the trade space that we deem as a need/priority like freo have done this year.

Personally I wouldn't be trading out picks, especially future picks, until we start climbing the ladder. Just because we'll have the picks and cap space to go after players it doesn't mean we should.

Our list has holes everywhere and we're not going to fill them all in the one draft despite having so many picks.

You only need to look at our previous list build to see how to go about it. Keep our ealy picks Nd draft the best available talent, then when we were in the hunt for finals we went and got the talent that we needed like Prestia Caddy & Nankervis via trades and Lynch via free agency.

The exception to this would be reliance on Hartleys whiteboard player rankings where if he thought the talent we were getting in the trade was significantly better that what we'd get in the draft.

 

[tora tora tora]

To all those saying we should’ve drafted more KPF’s in recent years …

We had Lynch arrive in 2019, with Jack still at the peak of his powers … Oscar Allen was drafted to Eagles in 2017, so obviously wasn’t a target given Lynch was ‘in the works’.

Exactly who are these KPF’s we had access to but didn’t draft?

There’s Ricciardi … averaging 1.7 goals and goal assists per game in his career.

There’s JVR…averaging 1.7 goals and GA’s. He’s promising but I’m not calling that a big miss just yet.

In 2024 Lefau averaged 2.0 goals and goal assists per game.

In his 6-game career, Bauer averages 1.7 goals
and GA per game (taking out his injured game).

So let’s not all act like we’ve been missing all these transformational KPF’s in multiple national drafts. Elite level KPF’s capable of 2.5+ goals and GA’s per game are bloody hard to find.

Lefau and Bauer may just be as effective at hitting the scoreboard as JVR and Riccardi.


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Brown vs JVR was the obvious draft miss.

I think RFC spoke to the GWS KPFs like Riccardi & Himmelburg but they resigned up there.

Cadman is improving but averaging 1.3 goals. I'd prefer to extract one of the Dogs KPFs.

Funnily Brown went forward late 2024 and kicked 4 goals. Leave Balta back & 193 Brown forward.

Why did we let Chol & CJ go in 2021?

Dusty, Lynch & Bolton $million contracts meant we couldn't match. Lynch was the lynch pin and having to paying 300 ~ 400 k a game in 2023 would've been the end of Meehan for me.