List Mgmt. 2024 Draft/Trade/FA Thread

[MarcMaverick]

I think we've been spoiled rotten because we want the next Max Gawn

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Max Gawn

Age

32

Ht

209cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

6.7

4star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

35.3

5star

D

18.5

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

7.0

4star

CL

3.5

4star

HO

29.2

5star

D

8.4

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

15.6

5star

.

 

[Johnny Karate]

If Gawn’s injury was career ending still think it would be stupid for us to get English. Therefore, I can’t wait to see Tim in the red and blue next year.

 

[MarcMaverick]

If Gawn’s injury was career ending still think it would be stupid for us to get English. Therefore, I can’t wait to see Tim in the red and blue next year.

Then he'd need to change his name to Thim Norway/Norveige, or Tim Icelandson.

Cause if he went to West Coast he'd be called Tim Sweden/Svenska.

 

[Lord Nev]

 

[Crusty Demon]

A short history of the last 10 premiership side’s ruckmen:

2014-15: Ben McEvoy/David Hale
2016: Tom Boyd/Jordan Roughead
2017, 19-20: Toby Nankervis/Shaun Grigg
2018: Scott Lycett/Nathan Vardy
2021: Max Gawn/Luke Jackson
2022: Rhys Stanley
2023: Darcy Cameron/Mason Cox

Gawn’s been great but decent ruckmen aren’t terribly hard to unearth.

Although not massive stars, McEvoy, Nank and Boyd were very good players. Boyd arguably won the Dogs that GF. Cameron is showing he's more than handy as well..I think Grundy has been one reason for Sydney's dominance this season. Also TDK for Blues has been really impressive. Xerri and Meeks rise have helped lift their teams. I think it's an important position. I don't think you can completely ignore it tbh. I like what I've seen of Verrall. Really don't rate Fullerton at all.

 

[Topkent]

3 guys in the whole comp have kicked more than 40 goals. If we go and waste money and picks on a key forward I'll laugh. JVR and Fritsch is easily enough. Just get good players

Max King

12

Max King

Age

24

Ht

202cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.3

2star

K

4.7

2star

HB

2.6

2star

M

2.7

3star

T

0.7

3star

G

1.4

5star

D

7.3

2star

K

4.7

2star

HB

2.6

2star

M

2.7

3star

T

0.7

1star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

2.8

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

0.6

3star

G

1.4

5star

goes out an saints have their best inside 50 conversion of the season
Not a coincidence

 

[Dory_77]

Although not massive stars, McEvoy, Nank and Boyd were very good players. Boyd arguably won the Dogs that GF. Cameron is showing he's more than handy as well..I think Grundy has been one reason for Sydney's dominance this season. Also TDK for Blues has been really impressive. Xerri and Meeks rise have helped lift their teams. I think it's an important position. I don't think you can completely ignore it tbh. I like what I've seen of Verrall. Really don't rate Fullerton at all.

Agree it's not unimportant, but most of those blokes listed were at 2nd clubs via cheapish trades (Boyd obvious exception) and/or were later picks to start with.

No need to cough up something silly for English when Verrall could do, or we flick a 3rd rounder to someone for a ready made ruck.

 

[Topkent]

Agree it's not unimportant, but most of those blokes listed were at 2nd clubs via cheapish trades (Boyd obvious exception) and/or were later picks to start with.

No need to cough up something silly for English when Verrall could do, or we flick a 3rd rounder to someone for a ready made ruck.

Also everyone of those were brought in cheap when they were ready for a crack at a flag. Don't need to waste money and picks on finding another 10 year ruck

 

[Demon Attack]

There is almost nothing dumber than using a top pick on a ruckman, either in the draft or via trade, when 3-4 of them go for a third rounder every trade period.

Jackson the obvious exception to the rule

 

[Crusty Demon]

Agree it's not unimportant, but most of those blokes listed were at 2nd clubs via cheapish trades (Boyd obvious exception) and/or were later picks to start with.

No need to cough up something silly for English when Verrall could do, or we flick a 3rd rounder to someone for a ready made ruck.

Yep. I guess I was trying to point out that we can't have a mug in the position. Obviously dont need to overpay for someone, and Verrall is tracking OK, but the position is still an important one. That's why I think Verrall is a better option to replace Gawn for the next few weeks and not Fullarton who to me, is more of a forward/relief ruck.

 

[MarcMaverick]

In b4 "bUt He's nOt 208cms TalL"

So what if he isn't a knock-about bearded larrakin that looks like a cross between of Hapthor Julius Bjornson and Brawn Strowman.

 

[TheBoss]

Should have kept Preuss

 

[Scythe94]

Should have kept Preuss

For the one in every 15-20 games where he's not injured?

 

[Scythe94]

Poor ol' Preussy even managed to injure himself running onto the ground in a VFL game this year

 

[Johnny Karate]

3 guys in the whole comp have kicked more than 40 goals. If we go and waste money and picks on a key forward I'll laugh. JVR and Fritsch is easily enough. Just get good players

Max King goes out an saints have their best inside 50 conversion of the season
Not a coincidence

Yeah I reckon chasing key forwards is only slightly more sensible than going after ‘quality ruckmen’.

Here’s a list of KPFs that would probably get a game for us with what was given up for them beside:

Oscar Allen - pick 21 2017 National Draft

Joel Amartey - pick 28 2018 Rookie Draft

Jye Amiss - pick 8 2021 National Draft

Callum Brown - International Rookie 2018

Aaron Cadman - pick 1 2022 National Draft

Jeremy Cameron - 3 first round selections 2020/2010 GWS underage selection

Anthony Caminiti - Preseason Supplemental signing 2023

Mabior Chol - Future 2nd Rounder/Free Agent/pick 45 2019 Rookie Draft/pick 30 2016 Rookie Draft

Charlie Curnow - pick 12 2015 National Draft

Joe Daniher - Free Agent/Pick 10 Father-Son 2012 National Draft

Sam Darcy - pick 2 2021 National Draft Father Son selection

Jack Darling - pick 26 2010 National Draft

Calsher Dear - pick 56 2023 National Draft Father Son Selection

Charlie Dixon - pick slide 2016/2009 Gold Coast Zone Selection

Darcy Fogarty - pick 12 2017 National Draft

Mitch Georgiades - pick 18 2019 National Draft

Tom Hawkins - pick 41 Father Son 2006 National Draft

Ollie Henry - 3 way trade involving Cooper Stephens and Tom Mitchell with picks changing hands/pick 17 2020 National Draft

Eric Hipwood - pick 14 2015 National Draft Academy Selection

Jesse Hogan - pick 54 2020 National Draft/pick 6 and 23 2018 National Draft trade/pick 2 2012 Mini Draft

Ben King - pick 6 2018 National Draft

Max King - pick 4 2018 National Draft

Nick Larkey - pick 73 2016 National Draft

Mykelti Lefau - Preseason supplemental signing 2023

Mitch Lewis - pick 76 2016 National Draft

Ollie Lord - pick 49 2020 National Draft

Jack Lukosious - pick 2 2018 National Draft

Tom Lynch - Free Agent/pick 11 2010 National Draft

Todd Marshall - pick 16 2016 National Draft

Logan McDonald - pick 4 2020 National Draft

Harry McKay - pick 10 2015 National Draft

Hayden McLean - preseason supplemental signing 2019

Tim Membrey - delisted Free Agent/pick 46 2012 National Draft

Brody Mihocek - pick 22 2018 Rookie Draft

Aaron Naughton - pick 9 2017 National Draft

Shannon Neale - pick 33 2020 National Draft

Jake Riccardi - pick 51 2019 National Draft

Jake Stringer - traded for pick 25,30 2017/pick 5 2012 National Draft

Riley Thilthorpe - pick 2 2020 National Draft

Josh Treacy - pick 7 2021 Rookie Draft

Jamarra Ugle-Hagan - pick 1 2020 National Draft

Jacob Van Rooyen - pick 19 2021 National Draft

Taylor Walker - pick 75 2007 National Draft (NSW Scholarship)

Jed Walter - pick 3 2023 National Draft Academy Selection

Jake Waterman - pick 77 2016 National Draft Father Son selection

Peter Wright - traded for future 4th round pick in 2020/pick 8 2014 National Draft


So, to categorise them:

High cost for trade/draft
Amiss, Cadman, Cameron (Geel), Hogan (Freo/Melb), B King, M King, Lukosious, McDonald, McKay, Naughton, Stringer (WB), Thilthorpe, Wright (GC)

Medium cost
Curnow, Dixon (PA), Fogarty, Georgiades, Henry (Coll), Lynch (GCS), Stringer (Ess), Van Rooyen

Dibs through FS, Academy, other concessions
Cameron (GWS), Dixon (GCS), Daniher (Ess), Darcy, Dear, Hawkins, Hipwood, Ugle-Hagan, Walker, Walter, Waterman

Good to excellent value
Allen, Amartey, Brown, Caminiti, Chol, Darling, Henry (Geel), Hogan (GWS), Larkey, Lefau, Lewis, Lord, Membrey, Mihocek, Neale, Riccardi, Treacy, Wright (Ess)

Free agents
Daniher, Lynch

Further here are some real busts from the last 10 years:

Jarrod Brander pick 13 2017 National Draft
Will Kelly pick 29 2018 National Draft Father Son Selection
Paddy McCartin pick 1 2014 National Draft
Josh Schache pick 2 2015 National Draft
Sam Weideman pick 9 2015 National Draft

Ultimately, we’ve already hit up the draft for JVR and Jefferson (who is finally starting to show some signs in the VFL) we’ve also brought in Kentfield. We are in desperate need for dynamic midfielders and will have a Steven May sized hole to fill in defence before too long. Throwing away huge amounts of cash and trade/draft capital for KPFs would be irresponsible imv.

 

[stEdy]

Speaking of how random rucks are, GWS brought in Preuss thinking they didn't have a ruck - Briggs comes on, then Flynn looks alright and gets traded to WCE (sadly is always injured).

 

[stEdy]

Yeah I reckon chasing key forwards is only slightly more sensible than going after ‘quality ruckmen’.

Here’s a list of KPFs that would probably get a game for us with what was given up for them beside:

Oscar Allen - pick 21 2017 National Draft

Joel Amartey - pick 28 2018 Rookie Draft

Jye Amiss - pick 8 2021 National Draft

Callum Brown - International Rookie 2018

Aaron Cadman - pick 1 2022 National Draft

Jeremy Cameron - 3 first round selections 2020/2010 GWS underage selection

Anthony Caminiti - Preseason Supplemental signing 2023

Mabior Chol - Future 2nd Rounder/Free Agent/pick 45 2019 Rookie Draft/pick 30 2016 Rookie Draft

Charlie Curnow - pick 12 2015 National Draft

Joe Daniher - Free Agent/Pick 10 Father-Son 2012 National Draft

Sam Darcy - pick 2 2021 National Draft Father Son selection

Jack Darling - pick 26 2010 National Draft

Calsher Dear - pick 56 2023 National Draft Father Son Selection

Charlie Dixon - pick slide 2016/2009 Gold Coast Zone Selection

Darcy Fogarty - pick 12 2017 National Draft

Mitch Georgiades - pick 18 2019 National Draft

Tom Hawkins - pick 41 Father Son 2006 National Draft

Ollie Henry - 3 way trade involving Cooper Stephens and Tom Mitchell with picks changing hands/pick 17 2020 National Draft

Eric Hipwood - pick 14 2015 National Draft Academy Selection

Jesse Hogan - pick 54 2020 National Draft/pick 6 and 23 2018 National Draft trade/pick 2 2012 Mini Draft

Ben King - pick 6 2018 National Draft

Max King - pick 4 2018 National Draft

Nick Larkey - pick 73 2016 National Draft

Mykelti Lefau - Preseason supplemental signing 2023

Mitch Lewis - pick 76 2016 National Draft

Ollie Lord - pick 49 2020 National Draft

Jack Lukosious - pick 2 2018 National Draft

Tom Lynch - Free Agent/pick 11 2010 National Draft

Todd Marshall - pick 16 2016 National Draft

Logan McDonald - pick 4 2020 National Draft

Harry McKay - pick 10 2015 National Draft

Hayden McLean - preseason supplemental signing 2019

Tim Membrey - delisted Free Agent/pick 46 2012 National Draft

Brody Mihocek - pick 22 2018 Rookie Draft

Aaron Naughton - pick 9 2017 National Draft

Shannon Neale - pick 33 2020 National Draft

Jake Riccardi - pick 51 2019 National Draft

Jake Stringer - traded for pick 25,30 2017/pick 5 2012 National Draft

Riley Thilthorpe - pick 2 2020 National Draft

Josh Treacy - pick 7 2021 Rookie Draft

Jamarra Ugle-Hagan - pick 1 2020 National Draft

Jacob Van Rooyen - pick 19 2021 National Draft

Taylor Walker - pick 75 2007 National Draft (NSW Scholarship)

Jed Walter - pick 3 2023 National Draft Academy Selection

Jake Waterman - pick 77 2016 National Draft Father Son selection

Peter Wright - traded for future 4th round pick in 2020/pick 8 2014 National Draft


So, to categorise them:

High cost for trade/draft
Amiss, Cadman, Cameron (Geel), Hogan (Freo/Melb), B King, M King, Lukosious, McDonald, McKay, Naughton, Stringer (WB), Thilthorpe, Wright (GC)

Medium cost
Curnow, Dixon (PA), Fogarty, Georgiades, Henry (Coll), Lynch (GCS), Stringer (Ess), Van Rooyen

Dibs through FS, Academy, other concessions
Cameron (GWS), Dixon (GCS), Daniher (Ess), Darcy, Dear, Hawkins, Hipwood, Ugle-Hagan, Walker, Walter, Waterman

Good to excellent value
Allen, Amartey, Brown, Caminiti, Chol, Darling, Henry (Geel), Hogan (GWS), Larkey, Lefau, Lewis, Lord, Membrey, Mihocek, Neale, Riccardi, Treacy, Wright (Ess)

Free agents
Daniher, Lynch

Further here are some real busts from the last 10 years:

Jarrod Brander pick 13 2017 National Draft
Will Kelly pick 29 2018 National Draft Father Son Selection
Paddy McCartin pick 1 2014 National Draft
Josh Schache pick 2 2015 National Draft
Sam Weideman pick 9 2015 National Draft

Ultimately, we’ve already hit up the draft for JVR and Jefferson (who is finally starting to show some signs in the VFL) we’ve also brought in Kentfield. We are in desperate need for dynamic midfielders and will have a Steven May sized hole to fill in defence before too long. Throwing away huge amounts of cash and trade/draft capital for KPFs would be irresponsible imv.

Good post.

The KFF thing is interesting for us as we can theoretically fill our Steven May hole in defence if we somehow land a Waterman/Treacy type and shift Petty back to FB who I think makes a very good long term FB.

Or we just back JVR in and play a 2nd ruck/KFF who's somewhat competent so JVR doesn't have to 2nd ruck. Or play a smaller forward line.

 

[Johnny Karate]

Good post.

The KFF thing is interesting for us as we can theoretically fill our Steven May hole in defence if we somehow land a Waterman/Treacy type and shift Petty back to FB who I think makes a very good long term FB.

Or we just back JVR in and play a 2nd ruck/KFF who's somewhat competent so JVR doesn't have to 2nd ruck. Or play a smaller forward line.

I have my doubts with Petty he just seems to be quite fragile - ends a lot of games hobbling and every chance he seeks a trade back to SA in the future. I reckon our KPD situation is more urgent - will any of May, Petty, McDonald or Tomlinson be on the list beyond 2025?

 

[Dancing Potato]

I have my doubts with Petty he just seems to be quite fragile - ends a lot of games hobbling and every chance he seeks a trade back to SA in the future. I reckon our KPD situation is more urgent - will any of May, Petty, McDonald or Tomlinson be on the list beyond 2025?

Exactly this. Petty's best position is back, but he might not be here either.

Nothing wrong with going after a KPD regardless and then playing them alongside Petty and Lever to keep our three tall structure down there that works quite well.

 

[Lord Nev]

Here’s a list of KPFs that would probably get a game for us with what was given up for them beside:

Great post! Shows there's plenty of options and ways for us to get a best 22 quality key forward.

Somehow discussion has turned into giving up millions and all our picks for a gun key forward, but I haven't really seen many posters suggesting that tbh.

IMO can't keep having the revolving potato conveyor belt of Turner, Petty, Schache, Brown, Smith, especially given most of them will be gone this year. Need to pay a reasonably sensible amount for a 22-27 year old key forward who will be in our best 22 and then we can actually build consistency. Petty, if he stays, and Turner can then go back to their natural positions and we can stop the dicking around.

Should be more than enough opportunity for us to address multiple needs this offseason.

 

[schmuttt]

You'd think (Or at least hope) the club knows what is happening with Petty end of year. I'm assuming they'll hold him to contract as Adelaide will offer **** all with his current form. Does mean we still have to address the problem with his likely exit end of next year though.

 

[dazzledavey36]

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

This is referring to Oscar Allen then?

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

I mean I love him, but his injury history is a massive concern and would cost us a fortune in a trade. Still, if you gave me the option of Allen or the other names that have been mentioned here like King, McDonald and JUH give me Allen every time even with his injury history.

 

[Fork n Hell]

I mean I love him, but his injury history is a massive concern and would cost us a fortune in a trade. Still, if you gave me the option of Allen or the other names that have been mentioned here like King, McDonald and JUH give me Allen every time even with his injury history.

it'll be cool, we'll just make him play injured.