List Mgmt. 2024 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

 

[Bloods86]

Solid small forward think he goes in the 25-40 ish range. Dattoli who I’ve taken earlier than I expect tested pretty ordinary. The changing game will see a lot of small forwards taken

Yeah, who knows. Port, who I had for the phantom last year, went with 2 small fwds I had later, bypassing ones I thought were much more credentialled.

I've got the small fwds below as being available at our picks, maybe there's a few more that get drafted.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Yeah, who knows. Port, who I had for the phantom last year, went with 2 small fwds I had later, bypassing ones I thought were much more credentialled.

I've got the small fwds below as being available at our picks, maybe there's a few more that get drafted.
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Evan Bradley is from North Adelaide. Ports pick 29 (which goes out a bit would be a chance)

 

[Bloods86]

Evan Bradley is from North Adelaide. Ports pick 29 (which goes out a bit would be a chance)

Hinkley loves a little guy, but they did bring in a few small forwards last year, so it shouldn't really be their focus. Though they did delist Frankie Evans who wasn't bad, so either they feel like he was surplus or they will bring in another to the mix maybe.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Great thoughtful piece of work LP1. As you will imagine many (including me) will find lots to disagree with but that doesn't make it less of a great effort. Observations incoming:
1) Picks 1-15 no significant differences, TBH who cares?
2) 16 Generally Shanahan has been rated above Whitlock and Port seem to like the more physical types so I'm guessing they take Shanahan.
3) Picks 17-20 no significant differences or in a couple of cases I just don't know.
4) 21 A bit surprised that Dogs would take Dattoli over Berry who has slid a fair way. You make that comment yourself. I think Berry fits them better.
5) 22 Live trade and Travagalia? Is he worth it? In the end I don't think it matters to us.
6) 23 Matt Whitlock still on the board yes please, much bigger need than a small. If weirdly Shanahan is still there that would be a tough choice but I doubt it.
7) Picks 24/25 don't know or care much BUT
8) 26 if we have a choice of Dattoli or Hotton (ACL and all) that is going to be seriously tough. Even the second Whitlock?
No idea for Pick 44 -> 39. There appear to be some good kids available.
Again thanks for the stimulation provided by your phantom.

I'll answer them as best I can mate

1) Yep those are the top 15
2) Shanahan for me at least his technique can be a little iffy and under pressure I question that, you may be right but I have him sliding into the second round
3) Yes
4) This was the hardest call of the whole draft for me, and it purely is a gut feel on Dattoli, there is very little between Dattoli and Berry, Berry is the safer choice but Dattoli could be the home run, which one do you go, I feel Port can be bold and go for the home run.
5) Absolutely he's worth the live trade and it allows Essendon to take two talents this season in a stronger draft and back themselves to come top 10 next season. It's a much weaker draft next season.
6) If Matt Whitlock lasted to 23 I would have taken the key forward first up, Berry on the board I was always taking a key tall and a small forward at these picks it was just which way. Shanahan I've cooled on seeing his technique.
7) nothing needed to add
8) If we went the key tall Dattoli probably lasts, Dattoli for me has the largest range in the whole first round, as high as the Dogs and as low as the Richmond picks late. the other option that I definately considered was Hotton first up and wait for a Shanahan to slip to our second.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Hinkley loves a little guy, but they did bring in a few small forwards last year, so it shouldn't really be their focus. Though they did delist Frankie Evans who wasn't bad, so either they feel like he was surplus or they will bring in another to the mix maybe.

yep just saying that's his sort of range 25 on the real high end and 40 ish on the low end, he's a solid second rounder.

 

[bedford]

I'll answer them as best I can mate

1) Yep those are the top 15
2) Shanahan for me at least his technique can be a little iffy and under pressure I question that, you may be right but I have him sliding into the second round
3) Yes
4) This was the hardest call of the whole draft for me, and it purely is a gut feel on Dattoli, there is very little between Dattoli and Berry, Berry is the safer choice but Dattoli could be the home run, which one do you go, I feel Port can be bold and go for the home run.
5) Absolutely he's worth the live trade and it allows Essendon to take two talents this season in a stronger draft and back themselves to come top 10 next season. It's a much weaker draft next season.
6) If Matt Whitlock lasted to 23 I would have taken the key forward first up, Berry on the board I was always taking a key tall and a small forward at these picks it was just which way. Shanahan I've cooled on seeing his technique.
7) nothing needed to add
8) If we went the key tall Dattoli probably lasts, Dattoli for me has the largest range in the whole first round, as high as the Dogs and as low as the Richmond picks late. the other option that I definately considered was Hotton first up and wait for a Shanahan to slip to our second.

Elite work LP1

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Elite work LP1

Thanks mate happy to at least put mine out there

 

[Kiama Chris]

I'll answer them as best I can mate

1) Yep those are the top 15
2) Shanahan for me at least his technique can be a little iffy and under pressure I question that, you may be right but I have him sliding into the second round
3) Yes
4) This was the hardest call of the whole draft for me, and it purely is a gut feel on Dattoli, there is very little between Dattoli and Berry, Berry is the safer choice but Dattoli could be the home run, which one do you go, I feel Port can be bold and go for the home run.
5) Absolutely he's worth the live trade and it allows Essendon to take two talents this season in a stronger draft and back themselves to come top 10 next season. It's a much weaker draft next season.
6) If Matt Whitlock lasted to 23 I would have taken the key forward first up, Berry on the board I was always taking a key tall and a small forward at these picks it was just which way. Shanahan I've cooled on seeing his technique.
7) nothing needed to add
8) If we went the key tall Dattoli probably lasts, Dattoli for me has the largest range in the whole first round, as high as the Dogs and as low as the Richmond picks late. the other option that I definately considered was Hotton first up and wait for a Shanahan to slip to our second.

Thanks, great response. Very logical about Shanahan. I often rate aggression above technique as techniques can be taught but if the co-ordination isn't there you're stuffed.
In such an even draft you see a pretty wide variation in where players are rated.
Totally agree that our first two picks should be a quality tall and small/medium (the latter if there is one around). Cochran last and most likely the best mid available for that third pick.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Thanks, great response. Very logical about Shanahan. I often rate aggression above technique as techniques can be taught but if the co-ordination isn't there you're stuffed.
In such an even draft you see a pretty wide variation in where players are rated.
Totally agree that our first two picks should be a quality tall and small/medium (the latter if there is one around). Cochran last and most likely the best mid available for that third pick.

Yeah look Shanahan is a weird one and he's the one that has slipped massively for me, Whitlock does have that aggression though you are selling him a bit short there, but you are correct purely on aggression Shanahan is ahead, but that technique gives me the Amartey's and it's not a compliment mate!

Yeah I have a few that have slipped but most are generally in the right area, Jagga Smith is the first of those weird ones some have him at 1, I feel he's lasting to 6 easily.

Yep similar spread in types would consider a medium forward but I'd take a solid mid third pick.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Top 35 Mock draft and rankings (First round detailed names after)


Pick 1 Richmond- Josh Lalor

• Purely and simply he’s the best ‘live talent in this year’s draft pool and can see where the Dusty comparisons come from but he’s not Martin, probably starts more forward of centre but eventually will be an onballer.

Pick 2 North Melbourne-Alixzander Tauru

• North shore up their KPD stocks for the next decade might be fractionally early but he won’t get past the next couple of picks anyway. Everyone is saying split 2 to 6, I’m not confident he’s even there at 6. Take him at 2 if you want another pick trade your f2 into this year’s draft

Pick 3 Brisbane Lions- Levi Ashcroft F/S (BID)

• I can’t wait for the new bidding rues to come in for the record, Brisbane get Ashcroft for 2 cents in the dollar, great balanced mid, who is better between the two brothers not sure.

Pick 4 Carlton- Finn OSullivan

• Personally I would take Draper as he’s the better talent on my board BUT I have to be somewhat realistic, feel when it’s a close call go the local anyway, the one thing I’ll say about Finn is he needs to drastically improve his output, we can all see why he’s a top 5 pick, we can also see why he could be a bust

Pick 5 Adelaide Crows- Sid Draper

• They get the local kid to help with their midfield over the next decade, pretty easy choice if he’s there

Pick 6 Gold Coast- Leo Lombard (BID)

• Would love nothing but a side to force GC’s to match here, they will match anyway so go early, he actually suits Melb so the bid makes sense

Pick 7 Melbourne- Josh Smille

• A bit higher here than on some lists I really like this range for Smillie, he’s a no frills mid who uses it quite efficiently. Melbourne look to a need at the next pick think they go for safety first up

Pick 8 Richmond- Jagga Smith

• Too good to let him slip more than this, Richmond get two mids, Jagga is a high production mid, what he needs a fraction of work on is choosing the right option but everything is there and he could play day 1, so will Lalor but he’d start forward Jagga can start on ball straight up.

Pick 9 Essendon-Issac Kako (NGA BID)

• Simply put the premier small forward in this class, I know he’s had some stints in the middle but he’s probably best around goals and Essendon need this type

Pick 10 St Kilda- Xavier Lindsay-

• I almost took him at pick 7 and pick 8, have him as the premier outsider class mid in this draft pool. Now can he go inside sure, but let him kick it into 50, having Phillipou and Lindsay delivering into 50 sets them up for a decade to come.

Pick 11 St Kilda- Murphy Reid

• Probably a fraction early fully admit that however St Kilda need a SF, it is what I have them bidding on Kako

Pick 12 Melbourne Tom Gross

• Melbourne needs midfielders and he was the next best need to prepare for in case Oliver/Petracca seek other opportunities.

Pick 13 Richmond- Harvey Langford

• I know many on here love the bloke, probably is worth the slight gamble at this range, Richmond take the utility, where he ends who on earth knows, personally the query will be can be be a Bonafide mid, that will be the question on whether it’s the right pick. Tigers have taken 3 players that could be mids

Pick 14 Richmond- Harry Armstrong

• Look they should be looking for life after Lynch at one of these picks, think this is the right way to go shore the midfield up first and look to a KPP here. Who is the best one, not sure, BUT Harry is an old fashioned KPF he will need time though, so park him in the VFL let him develop for a year.

Pick 15 West Coast- Bo Allen

• The Half Back maybe inside midfielder, look at worst he replaces Duggan if he never becomes a midfielder, solid pick still think the trade was horrendous.

Pick 16 Port Adelaide- Matt Whitlock

• I know we are all hoping he lasts till our pick unfortunately port need this type badly, when you trade in Geelong cast offs to plug a hole you need these types badly.

Pick 17 Brisbane Lions- Sam Marshall (BID)

• Half back star if he was available there would be a lot more noise, rarely misses a target, just is forgotten as Ashcroft is that good.

Pick 18 Fremantle- Hamish Davis

• Where does Davis end up your guess is as good as mine, he’s one that has gone up on my board, think this is the right range though, probably see him more as a half back, but he might in time be a tall midfielder

Pick 19 GWS-Hugh Boxshall

• Next best midfielder, they need to replace Peatling going so take the next best mid off the list. Boxshall is very solid and will get you a solid 25 possession game most weeks, he probably needs a year in the VFL but GWS are fortunate they can do that.

Pick 20 GWS- Cooper Hynes

• Hey give me credit I haven’t let him drift too low thanks, just let me say this, he’s not my favourite but could go anywhere from 18-30. He’s a solid get for GWS who can see where he plays, if he becomes a mid he’ll be a bargain, big IF personally.

Pick 21 Western Bulldogs- Jesse Dattoli
-Look who is better him or Berry don’t have a preference but I like Dattoli’s bag of tricks. Needs to work on his fitnessa bit but that will happen in an AFL setting


Pick 22 Essendon- Tobie Travagalia (LIVE TRADE Essendons f1 for pick 22 this year)

• Too good to pass and he will add some genuine rebounding quality, and Richmond live trade one of these picks think it might be this one.

Pick 23 Sydney- Joe Berry

• You guys are going to HATE me for this but I have to he’s way higher on my list and I have to take Berry, and this pains me as my favourite player in the draft is still on the board. Small forward is one of our needs, everyone may disagree, but I’m going straight up with a small forward.

Pick 24 GWS- Luke Urquart

• Think this may get traded to next year on draft day but for the moment I will give them another midfielder, they may look for points next season with a trade though.

Pick 25 Richmond- Olli Hotton

• As I said I will cry on draft night if we overlooked Hotton at our pick but Richmond take the gamble with the no1 ranked played a year ago who is off an ACL, with so many picks you can gamble a bit at one.

Pick 26 Sydney Swans- Jack Whitlock

• Key forward for the future, now I do have Shanahan slightly higher on my list but I’ve gone with the guy with a bit more height, if we took Shanahan I would not complain at all. Jack is a great leadup forward and we can replace McLean/etc in a few years.

Pick 27 Richmond- Alex Dodson

• Best ruck in this class so Richmond should take him at this range.

Next bests (no order as it’s very even)



Angus Clarke (very unlucky to not go 1st round), considered for all picks after 20 ish.

Oliver Hannaford (next small forward), could easily go 1st round anyway

Christian Moraes (inconsistency may cause him to slide a fraction)

Kayle Gerreyn (another tall/ruck)

Ben Camporeale (FS Carlton)

Jonty Faull (another KPF solid enough range a query

James Barat (I like him as that lockdown back pocket type where he goes not sure anywhere from 30-50)

Evan Bradley (small forward)

Really thorough analysis LP, well done.

Two points:

1. Not sure Davis will ever be a half-back. He’s a forward who can go into the mids.

2. The Whitlocks - I’ve never seen them play live, but the serious question: are they good, or just tall? The really good key position players tend to be higher up boards & none of the phantom drafts out there seem to REALLY rate the Whitlock boys.

Good is better than just tall.

The prospect of drafting a Whitlock doesn’t excite me much. But again, I’ve never seen them play live.

Oh, and I think you may have neglected Trainor a bit ….. can’t see him falling outside the first round.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Really thorough analysis LP, well done.

Two points:

1. Not sure Davis will ever be a half-back. He’s a forward who can go into the mids.

2. The Whitlocks - I’ve never seen them play live, but the serious question: are they good, or just tall? The really good key position players tend to be higher up boards & none of the phantom drafts out there seem to REALLY rate the Whitlock boys.

Good is better than just tall.

The prospect of drafting a Whitlock doesn’t excite me much. But again, I’ve never seen them play live.

Personally see Davis as a half back, he is the utility probably should have written that mistake on my end. Gut feel he ends an attacking half back more a feel than anything.

Both the Whitlocks can seriously play Matt is better but I have him going earlier, took Jack who is a very good talent

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Personally see Davis as a half back, he is the utility probably should have written that mistake on my end. Gut feel he ends an attacking half back more a feel than anything.

Both the Whitlocks can seriously play Matt is better but I have him going earlier, took Jack who is a very good talent

Just edited my post to also note that I suspect you’ve neglected Trainor a bit.

Can’t see him getting past the first round.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Just edited my post to also note that I suspect you’ve neglected Trainor a bit.

Can’t see him getting past the first round.

Haven't neglected him, he'd be in the next lot, have him sliding, considered him at our second pick actually, Richmonds first in the second round is a chance. I like Trainor but these injuries will scare clubs off.

 

[Kiama Chris]

Haven't neglected him, he'd be in the next lot, have him sliding, considered him at our second pick actually, Richmonds first in the second round is a chance. I like Trainor but these injuries will scare clubs off.

Again, in such an even draft, lots of players will be taken later than they would in a "normal" draft.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Again, in such an even draft, lots of players will be taken later than they would in a "normal" draft.

Correct he’s one I should have noted just feel he slides a bit early second late first at best

 

[caesar88]

This is my weekly 'I still can't believe someone is actually called Leonardo Lombard' post.

 

[caesar88]

I wouldn't be surprised if we drafted Urquhart just to try and keep Warner at the club. They're good mates.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I wouldn't be surprised if we drafted Urquhart just to try and keep Warner at the club. They're good mates.

100% did actually half consider it. Actually wouldn’t be shocked if we go tall at the third and two smallish players first two. I wouldn’t but I’d get it

 

[LukeParkerno1]

This is my weekly 'I still can't believe someone is actually called Leonardo Lombard' post.

Just imagine how bad BZ will be with the name lol

 

[Bloods86]

Just imagine how bad BZ will be with the name lol

The Triple M box and Jack Ough ("Oh").

Shudders

 

[LukeParkerno1]

The Triple M box and Jack Ough ("Oh").

Shudders

Rowbottom is bad enough for them to get right