List Mgmt. 2024 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

 

[LukeParkerno1]

How is this related to matching an earlier academy bid?

Why match a round earlier than you have them I’ll be happy when the new academy, nga and FS riles come in anyway

 

[Bloods86]

Why match a round earlier than you have them I’ll be happy when the new academy, nga and FS riles come in anyway

Who says we rate him late?

You match him because you have no choice, you match or you lose them.

I could understand us letting him go to protect our first 2 picks, but probably not pick 40 if we're getting another in the 50s.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Who says we rate him late?

You match him because you have no choice, you match or you lose them.

I could understand us letting him go to protect our first 2 picks, but probably not pick 40 if we're getting another in the 50s.

You actually do have a choice despite you keeping on saying that you don’t. If you don’t rate him that high easy, don’t match take the two picks maybe there’s a defender higher on our board

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Kudos to Bloods86 & LukeParkerno1 - if your banter on here was a tennis match, it'd be a 5 set epic, currently tied at 23-23 in the 5th.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Kudos to Bloods86 & LukeParkerno1 - if your banter on here was a tennis match, it'd be a 5 set epic, currently tied at 23-23 in the 5th.

I’ll take that as a compliment lol

 

[Bloods86]

You actually do have a choice despite you keeping on saying that you don’t. If you don’t rate him that high easy, don’t match take the two picks maybe there’s a defender higher on our board

That's fairly short term thinking, but ok.

 

[Bloods86]

Kudos to Bloods86 & LukeParkerno1 - if your banter on here was a tennis match, it'd be a 5 set epic, currently tied at 23-23 in the 5th.

Only if there were no rules and faults weren't counted.

I would definitely be channelling McEnroe quite a lot.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

That's fairly short term thinking, but ok.

We won’t agree on it so I’ll just agree to disagree. My view has been simple, don’t reach. It comes back to bite you more than not whether that be a draft selection or a matching of any sort. Have said that for ages.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Only if there were no rules and faults weren't counted.

I would definitely be channelling McEnroe quite a lot.

Sorry just imagining you more like the Marcos Baghdatis at the Australian Open thrashing racquets

 

[robbieando]

Would be awfully disappointing if we went to only 36 on the main list given that the AFL gives us picks at the end of the draft due to open list spots. Effectively meaning we would rather have worse players on rookie A deals rather than senior list players

They only give us picks if we intend to use them. We have always passed on these picks as do most clubs to allow space in for the rookie draft.

 

[Bloods86]

Sorry just imagining you more like the Marcos Baghdatis at the Australian Open thrashing racquets

Actually pretty mild mannered, but I have "dropped" my racquet a bit years ago when I last played.

 

[robbieando]

I could be wrong - but I thought the decision to revert back to 36 would be a strategic decision linked to salary cap?

First Year draftee picked at the end of the draft is paid the same as a Cat A rookie. Only difference is length of contract, thus flexibility.

 

[Kbroome]

They only give us picks if we intend to use them. We have always passed on these picks as do most clubs to allow space in for the rookie draft.

Yep but the picks will be given to us at the start of the draft. Might as well use them in some fashion whether that be by selecting with them to get to 6 ND picks or use them enabling Sydney to trade 44 for value next year.

 

[robbieando]

I want 37 or 38 on the main list. I don't want rookie picks because we are effectively slipping 40-60 picks down the order just to save cash

We save no cash.

Cat A rookies are counted under the cap. It use to be a saving but not anymore.

The benefit is the ability to keep them on the rookie list for up to 4 years with very little risk of them leaving or pressure to develop (ducks from C88). Only difference the senior list two years and we lose all control.

 

[robbieando]

Yep but the picks will be given to us at the start of the draft. Might as well use them in some fashion whether that be by selecting with them to get to 6 ND picks or use them enabling Sydney to trade 44 for value next year.

They will have little value and will be passed. It’s a moot point.

 

[robbieando]

Yep but the picks will be given to us at the start of the draft. Might as well use them in some fashion whether that be by selecting with them to get to 6 ND picks or use them enabling Sydney to trade 44 for value next year.

Also the picks are currently slotted to be picks 95 and 113. These aren’t given at the start of the draft but on final list lodgement.

You haven’t discovered anything new.

 

[Bloods86]

We save no cash.

Cat A rookies are counted under the cap. It use to be a saving but not anymore.

The benefit is the ability to keep them on the rookie list for up to 4 years with very little risk of them leaving or pressure to develop (ducks from C88). Only difference the senior list two years and we lose all control.

I'd rather we take players earlier in the overall order, than wait for at least an additional 16 rookie picks. Yeah, there's the risk we lose them, but it's an increase in quality.

 

[robbieando]

I'd rather we take players earlier in the overall order, than wait for at least an additional 16 rookie picks. Yeah, there's the risk we lose them, but it's an increase in quality.

Draft order does not indicate quality.

 

[Kbroome]

Also the picks are currently slotted to be picks 95 and 113. These aren’t given at the start of the draft but on final list lodgement.

You haven’t discovered anything new.

They would be pick like 79 & 80 not 95 and 113, as not every team will have list spots open to gain draft picks

 

[Kbroome]

We save no cash.

Cat A rookies are counted under the cap. It use to be a saving but not anymore.

The benefit is the ability to keep them on the rookie list for up to 4 years with very little risk of them leaving or pressure to develop (ducks from C88). Only difference the senior list two years and we lose all control.

Not exactly true. 2nd year rookies that reject a contract offer are considered a delisted free agent and therefore an unrestricted free agent. That would i believe make it the same length of deal that we would get from a guy on the main list, Thus we are just dropping down 20-40 players down the list for someone to be on the rookie list compared to the senior list. Literally 20-40 positions just for a change of contract name

 

[Bloods86]

Draft order does not indicate quality.

Assuming our list team aren't inept, it increases the likelihood of quality.

Or are you suggesting we'd do just as well trading out of the first 4 rounds and only ever taking players after everyone else has had several selections?

 

[Kbroome]

Assuming our list team aren't inept, it increases the likelihood of quality.

Or are you suggesting we'd do just as well trading out of the first 4 rounds and only ever taking players after everyone else has had several selections?

Makes no sense to me that we have effectively moved Francis and Hamling on to the rookie list and no change to what we were originally going to do at the draft. Effectively just exposing ourselves to multiple different risks for the same outcome that could be achieved by just holding on to Francis and Hamling on the main list

 

[rustycrate]

Makes no sense to me that we have effectively moved Francis and Hamling on to the rookie list and no change to what we were originally going to do at the draft. Effectively just exposing ourselves to multiple different risks for the same outcome that could be achieved by just holding on to Francis and Hamling on the main list

I am not sure this post makes any sense. Freeing up main list spots allows for drafting in this and next years draft. Does that make sense.

 

[Kbroome]

I am not sure this post makes any sense. Freeing up main list spots allows for drafting in this and next years draft. Does that make sense.

Francis and Hamling both had contracts for next year, them being on the main or rookie list makes no difference for 2025 or 2026. Given that someone above said that it doesn't help with salary cap, it makes no logical sense for Sydney to expose themselves to the risk of Hamling or Francis being picked up by someone only to do the same thing in the draft. Also by taking 4 ND and 2 rookies you are exposing yourself to the risk that the players top of your board aren't there from the last live pick (#44) to the first pick in the rookie draft (#17) which is going to be like 30-40 selections.

It is therefore illogical to suggest that Sydney have moved Francis and Hamling to the rookie list just to pick 4 ND picks and pick 2 other rookies.

More likely that Sydney want to go to 38 players and have guys in mind that they want in the back half of the draft or want to go to 37 main list players and want to trade one of 19, 22 or 44 because they can get some good value at the trade table for next year

 

[rustycrate]

Francis and Hamling both had contracts for next year, them being on the main or rookie list makes no difference. Given that someone above said that it doesn't help with salary cap, it makes no logical sense for Sydney to expose themselves to the risk of Hamling or Francis being picked up by someone only to do the same thing in the draft. Also by taking 4 ND and 2 rookies you are exposing yourself to the risk that the players top of your board aren't there from the last live pick (#44) to the first pick in the rookie draft (#17) which is going to be like 30-40 selections

1. Francis and Hamling both did not have contracts for next year. Only Hamling until 2025.
2. It does not help with salary cap but it frees up spots to draft players in the ND. This year and next possibly.
3. I doubt other clubs are going to pounce on Hamling or Francis.
4. Sometimes players we want are unlikely to be drafted from the ND and will be available in the Rookie draft and/or we have eyes on other players.