List Mgmt. 2024 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

 

[LukeParkerno1]

HSun phantom draft has us taking Dattoli and M Whitlock

Whilst Matt isn’t my favourite feel at that range he’s the best we can get.

We need a small forward if Berry is gone take Dattoli I actually have Dettori higher myself anyway

 

[LukeParkerno1]

TBH that would do me. Luke Kennedy with third pick and Cochran slides to Rookie A direct or our 4 th pick.
Dattoli might be up to seniors by the end of the season, Whitlock can be developed for either end, Kennedy looks decent as a mid in the pipeline and Cochran has been discussed ad nauseum.

Dattoli is close to the most ready made now small (bar Kako)

 

[Bloods86]

Those names all good. I'd prefer a youngster to develop rather than a mature ager who might rot in the VFL.

Turns out Anderson is in the Hawks NGA, though not widely mentioned. Least preferred out of those names anyway.

Big unit already, but always a concern those types use their size to advantage in juniors, and fail to do a lot when up against men.

 

[liz]

Where is this sourced?

The only information I can find on the AFL website that alludes to this, says the opposite.

AFL player movement and list management changes

The AFL Commission has approved changes related to AFL Player Movement and List Management for 2024 and 2025

www.afl.com.au

2025 changes

Draft value index (DVI)/bidding system

New framework for the DVI/bidding system will be implemented aiming to restore fair value.

The new DVI will see points allocated up until the end of the natural third round. (Link to new DVI model)

A 10% discount will be applied on all bids from selection 1 to 18 followed by an 84-point deduction (being 10% of selection 18) for all bids from selection 19 to 36.

Matching a bid - first round: Matched using equivalent DVI points.

Matching a bid - after first-round:

Matched using equivalent DVI points up to selection 36.

Match with next selection from selection 37.

Restriction on Northern Academies: There will be no restrictions based on ladder finishing position for Northern Academy clubs.

If that's the case, it's a change for this year. And, to be fair, the heading does say "changes for 2025". Maybe it was a concession to the Northern Academies for the other changes that were made.

 

[tombomb]

If that's the case, it's a change for this year. And, to be fair, the heading does say "changes for 2025". Maybe it was a concession to the Northern Academies for the other changes that were made.

Either way, it is a significant change and could be the difference between us missing out on one or two really good players next year.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Those names all good. I'd prefer a youngster to develop rather than a mature ager who might rot in the VFL.

Every time “mature ager” is mentioned, I think Dean Towers.

 

[Adnico26Parker]

 

[Membling]

Personally not that high on Dattoli for us.

Wouldn't be surprised if his name is called out by us however.

 

[wolftone57]

The FOX Team has us taking Jack Whitlock as our first pick. There is a photo of him running. I looked at his knees. They look like an accident waiting to happen. He reminds me of a skinny Jesse White

Jesse White

Age

36

Ht

196cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.3

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

3.9

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

6.8

2star

K

3.6

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.4

3star

. Lots of talent but if we take him I hope he has more desire than Jesse. To Jesse, Aussie Rules was just a game, not a career. I would love to see Whitlock develop Jesse's frame if we get him. But I still worry about those knees.

 

[wolftone57]

187cm

71 games across 7 seasons.. why are we doing this? why didnt we just throw better money at Barrass then.

Different need. Barrass is a Key Defender. We need flankers.

 

[wolftone57]

I think Gulden is very good when he is getting a lot of ball. He runs hard to provide an option. The Swans as a team struggled to get the ball let alone get it to Gulden. Hence he looked ineffective.

HBs tend to be hardened strong players. The deficiency in Cory's game is his strength. He is still too light & gets pushed out of the way far too easily. On the HF line he would not be a huge benefit unless he can play on rebounding types & run off them catching them out of position.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Personally not that high on Dattoli for us.

Wouldn't be surprised if his name is called out by us however.

I am really high on him. I recon he has the biggest range, but apart from Kako do feel he's the most likely to be a star. Not as big on Berry as most

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Either way, it is a significant change and could be the difference between us missing out on one or two really good players next year.

We won't miss out on them, only two will go in the first round (at most)

 

[Kbroome]

Sadly think they probably needed a Sydney supporter in there because they don't quiet seem to understand how matching works especially with discounts. Love their content on draftees but seems like they don't know how the bid matching process really works

 

[Kbroome]

Think heading into the draft i expect us to take 5 selection that being 4 + Cochran

If we were to land
KPF - Faull, Whitlocks, (Shanahan if extremely lucky)
Medium Forward - Hynes, Davis, Day-Wicks
Small Forward - Berry, (Hotton), Dattoli
Mature aged midfielder - Brew, Murphy etc

I would be happy

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Think heading into the draft i expect us to take 5 selection that being 4 + Cochran

If we were to land
KPF - Faull, Whitlocks, (Shanahan if extremely lucky)
Medium Forward - Hynes, Davis, Day-Wicks
Small Forward - Berry, (Hotton), Dattoli
Mature aged midfielder - Brew, Murphy etc

I would be happy

DO NOT want a mature aged midfielder, we tried that, we got Dean Towers remind me how that went. Just no. For every Tim Kelly there's so many duds.

Key Forward
Small forward

Take those two first up they are our critical needs right now.

then take a midfielder, ideally more inside, maybe a defensive mid to release Rowbottom a bit more or whatever.

Fourt pick is tricky, not against a winger being picked, a small defender, a whatever medium forward. This should be at our fourth pick.

Then match Cochran ideally in the rookie draft.

 

[tombomb]

We won't miss out on them, only two will go in the first round (at most)

If we finish top 4, under the old rule, we would only be able to match on one.

 

[Bloods86]

Sadly think they probably needed a Sydney supporter in there because they don't quiet seem to understand how matching works especially with discounts. Love their content on draftees but seems like they don't know how the bid matching process really works

That and our midfield is apparently perfect.

I could see us taking an additional KPD, but then we probably forgo a KPF and grab a medium fwd around 190cm who can act as a target if needed. The Davis, Murphy and McKenzie type over the Hynes type (who sounds like a taller Warner).

We're just at an awkward spot that if we retain Hamling and Francis, and take a KPF, a KPD and Cochran, I don't know where they'll all play next year in the VFL. Even with a travelling tall emergency or two who doesn't get back some weeks for VFL, plus say 2 injuries, we're quite tall. If only our senior KPDs were durable, then we could move Francis on.

I.e. assuming full health, if we took multiple KPPs, and went smaller in seniors, we might have to play all of these in VFL:

Green/Ladhams

Francis
Hamling
Snell
Edwards
KPD draftee
Cochran (maybe wing)

McLean/Amartey
Buller
KPF draftee
Ladhams/Green

We'd basically need 3 of these with seniors or injured each week, even disregarding top ups.

 

[Bloods86]

DO NOT want a mature aged midfielder, we tried that, we got Dean Towers remind me how that went. Just no. For every Tim Kelly there's so many duds.

Key Forward
Small forward

Take those two first up they are our critical needs right now.

then take a midfielder, ideally more inside, maybe a defensive mid to release Rowbottom a bit more or whatever.

Fourt pick is tricky, not against a winger being picked, a small defender, a whatever medium forward. This should be at our fourth pick.

Then match Cochran ideally in the rookie draft.

Not sure why we'd be using Towers to negate the idea of taking a mature aged inside mid, given he was mostly a winger/flanker.

 

[Adnico26Parker]

The FOX Team has us taking Jack Whitlock as our first pick. There is a photo of him running. I looked at his knees. They look like an accident waiting to happen. He reminds me of a skinny Jesse White. Lots of talent but if we take him I hope he has more desire than Jesse. To Jesse, Aussie Rules was just a game, not a career. I would love to see Whitlock develop Jesse's frame if we get him. But I still worry about those knees.

That won’t happen

 

[LukeParkerno1]

If we finish top 4, under the old rule, we would only be able to match on one.

That’s no issue anyway we get the best one and we can always draft the other by trading in our future (there’s 2 years to trade)

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Not sure why we'd be using Towers to negate the idea of taking a mature aged inside mid, given he was mostly a winger/flanker.

You are much better taking a younger option like our coach will play one anyway seems to have every excuse to not play Sheldrick or Adams last year.

If we are going the mature route rookie draft them

 

[bedford]

Does sound like Kennedy has a few clubs keen so may not make it to our 3rd. Hugh Boxshall maybe, but possibly goes in the 30s. Ough likely to go earlier too. That said, one might be there. If not, Phoenix Hargrave, Luke Urquhart or Cody Anderson maybe (probably in that order). Or just go early on a mature ager given we're in the window.

Kennedy being interviewed by Swans Phycologist today , also Brave Bulldogs very keen sadly

 

[tombomb]

That’s no issue anyway we get the best one and we can always draft the other by trading in our future (there’s 2 years to trade)

It will be an issue if someone else drafts them before us.

 

[Bloods86]

You are much better taking a younger option like our coach will play one anyway seems to have every excuse to not play Sheldrick or Adams last year.

If we are going the mature route rookie draft them

I'd rather get a better option at pick 40, one more likely to help in a flag push, than wait and see who is still around at pick 17 in the rookie draft. If we are going the mature age route, which we may not.

There are younger inside mids in their early 20s around, not just the 26, 27 year olds. There's been some success in the 19-24 yo range in recent years e.g. Atkins, Newcombe, Durham, Peatling.

I think there's valid reasons to have not played Adams later on, or in the 22 most games next year (without Parker in the 22, I think he might be a good sub option). I think he can play in bursts, but outside of a run with role on a slower type isn't able to keep up across a whole game. Mills and Sheldrick may address some issues, but I think 1 more inside mid, whether a mature ager or a more developed 18 year old like I've mentioned, is needed.

I could see Ough, Boxshall, Hargrave, Urquhart being able to play a few games like Cleary in their first year. Hargrave offers some forward nous too, if we don't pick up a small fwd elsewhere.