List Mgmt. 2024 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

 

[sthmelb_dimmies]

Not sure why we'd be using Towers to negate the idea of taking a mature aged inside mid, given he was an intergenerational talent, achieving legendary status

There, fixed that for you

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Kennedy being interviewed by Swans Phycologist today , also Brave Bulldogs very keen sadly

Swans psychologist overheard telling Kennedy that the draft doesn’t define him.

 

[giantsully]

I do applaud (and understand) the excitement of highlighting young talent we'd love to have, notwithstanding the fact that Kinnear will choose someone none of us have ever heard of.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I'd rather get a better option at pick 40, one more likely to help in a flag push, than wait and see who is still around at pick 17 in the rookie draft. If we are going the mature age route, which we may not.

There are younger inside mids in their early 20s around, not just the 26, 27 year olds. There's been some success in the 19-24 yo range in recent years e.g. Atkins, Newcombe, Durham, Peatling.

I think there's valid reasons to have not played Adams later on, or in the 22 most games next year (without Parker in the 22, I think he might be a good sub option). I think he can play in bursts, but outside of a run with role on a slower type isn't able to keep up across a whole game. Mills and Sheldrick may address some issues, but I think 1 more inside mid, whether a mature ager or a more developed 18 year old like I've mentioned, is needed.

I could see Ough, Boxshall, Hargrave, Urquhart being able to play a few games like Cleary in their first year. Hargrave offers some forward nous too, if we don't pick up a small fwd elsewhere.

Would rather draft an inside mid that will develop we don’t need a mature aged one we have Adams and hey you never know our one dimensional coach may give Sheldrick a run. We have two there Cleary will play HF next year no issues a stint here and there in the middle but that would actually require Horse to be inventive in our gameplan that’s a push.

Small fwd and key talk first two picks then take the next best at our 3rd. I’d actually like to get access to one of Richmond’s late firsts (our f1 should be on sale)

 

[LukeParkerno1]

It will be an issue if someone else drafts them before us.

We are still getting the best one it’s a small issue if that. These changes had to happen the GC situation was farcical last year

 

[caesar88]

All I want are small forwards and talls. Anyone else is pointless.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

All I want are small forwards and talls. Anyone else is pointless.

So which flanker are we taking first pick now lol

Of which he’ll be a reach too

 

[Bloods86]

Would rather draft an inside mid that will develop we don’t need a mature aged one we have Adams and hey you never know our one dimensional coach may give Sheldrick a run. We have two there Cleary will play HF next year no issues a stint here and there in the middle but that would actually require Horse to be inventive in our gameplan that’s a push.

Small fwd and key talk first two picks then take the next best at our 3rd. I’d actually like to get access to one of Richmond’s late firsts (our f1 should be on sale)

Adams is 31, not sure he'll be prominent for long. You'd be looking at someone at least 4-5 years younger, possibly a decade younger, but who could impact sooner rather than later. If we think there is someone who can boost us straight away, we'd be mad not to consider them at least, given our finishing position.

 

[Kiama Chris]

Dattoli is close to the most ready made now small (bar Kako)

Berry too possibly but both will most likely be gone. I think Dattoli will be quite versatile as he develops but he should start out as a small forward. Later he could play higher or even midfield, or he could stay up front.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Adams is 31, not sure he'll be prominent for long. You'd be looking at someone at least 4-5 years younger, possibly a decade younger, but who could impact sooner rather than later. If we think there is someone who can boost us straight away, we'd be mad not to consider them at least, given our finishing position.

Sheldrick is exactly that age apart from the Horse won’t play him thing and he’s as stubborn as can be why not just play him. Not interested in blowing a top 40 pick on a mature ager in this draft. Rookie draft sure go for it no issues.

I’d be playing Sheldrick over Adams anyway

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Berry too possibly but both will most likely be gone. I think Dattoli will be quite versatile as he develops but he should start out as a small forward. Later he could play higher or even midfield, or he could stay up front.

I’d have Datolli more ready right now myself. I like Dattolli and what he brings.

 

[bedford]

All I want are small forwards and talls. Anyone else is pointless.

How dare you post on here

 

[Kiama Chris]

All I want are small forwards and talls. Anyone else is pointless.

I don't actually agree totally but I feel ya.

 

[Bloods86]

All I want are small forwards and talls. Anyone else is pointless.

And I'm actually coming around to the idea of no talls outside of Cochran. Insane for me.

An additional KPD, I have no idea where they play in the VFL, maybe we just rest one of Francis or Hamling if we don't have many injuries, to prioritise development. I'd probably have let Francis go tbh. We can't really afford to think of Francis, Rampe and Hamling when drafting because they're all probably gone in a year, but where do all the talls play. Maybe if we don't draft a KPF, keep Hamling and Cochran out of defence...

If we do plan on going to 2 x KPFs, then I'd actually be looking at 2 players out of medium types such as Davis, Murphy, Hynes, Sulzberger and an undersized KPF in say McKenzie. The 3 existing KPFs and Buller fight it out for the 2 spots.

If we plan on sticking with 3 KPFs, then yes, another one is needed e.g. Sims or Gerreyn for bigger contested types, though the Whitlock bros or Faull will be more mobile/skinnier types.

We've covered small fwds before, I think we have options.

I think inside mid (just 1) and small defender need to be addressed. There's options for midfield that could impact immediately or like Cleary, get at least a couple of games 1st year.

 

[Bloods86]

Sheldrick is exactly that age apart from the Horse won’t play him thing and he’s as stubborn as can be why not just play him. Not interested in blowing a top 40 pick on a mature ager in this draft. Rookie draft sure go for it no issues.

I’d be playing Sheldrick over Adams anyway

Well I'm saying what I would do, and that is based on us playing Mills and Sheldrick in senior mids, and having someone coming in to backfill or develop, that isn't Adams.

If we're just reverting to "Horse won't play them", then why are you and others suggesting small forwards? Because we have had promising options and they weren't in the 22 come grand final day.

 

[anotherletdown]

I'm now coming around to us taking a developing inside mid at 44. Sheldrick has every right to walk as we don't play him and next years (and possibly the one after) will be academy heavy and not inside midfield leaning.

Medium forward, KPD, inside mid and if 59 is live I'm picking again on a KPP

 

[anotherletdown]

I'm now coming around to us taking a developing inside mid at 44. Sheldrick has every right to walk as we don't play him and next years (and possibly the one after) will be academy heavy and not inside midfield leaning.

Medium forward, KPD, inside mid and if 59 is live I'm picking again on a KPP

Actually scrap that, last pick is on a tackling maschine with a serious chip on their shoulder, to develop in to a small defender

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Well I'm saying what I would do, and that is based on us playing Mills and Sheldrick in senior mids, and having someone coming in to backfill or develop, that isn't Adams.

If we're just reverting to "Horse won't play them", then why are you and others suggesting small forwards? Because we have had promising options and they weren't in the 22 come grand final day.

Could have fooled me what promising small forwards do we have and don’t you dare say Wicks. Cleary is a midfielder well he will be if Horse doesn’t do what he’s done with Mills and butcher half his career playing out of position. Have said it before GF day and I’ll say it again one of our talls (Amartey and McLean go), Cleary in for Parker and a small forward in (Hanily or a Dattolli type)

 

[Kiama Chris]

Really interesting email from Mateo at One Percenters about a conversation with an analyst standing in the recruitment space.

Beyond the Eye Test: how analytics is reshaping footy

Wherein I chat with someone who works in AFL list management about their career arc, talent identification, and clubs becoming more data-driven.

open.substack.com

 

[wolftone57]

That and our midfield is apparently perfect.

I could see us taking an additional KPD, but then we probably forgo a KPF and grab a medium fwd around 190cm who can act as a target if needed. The Davis, Murphy and McKenzie type over the Hynes type (who sounds like a taller Warner).

We're just at an awkward spot that if we retain Hamling and Francis, and take a KPF, a KPD and Cochran, I don't know where they'll all play next year in the VFL. Even with a travelling tall emergency or two who doesn't get back some weeks for VFL, plus say 2 injuries, we're quite tall. If only our senior KPDs were durable, then we could move Francis on.

I.e. assuming full health, if we took multiple KPPs, and went smaller in seniors, we might have to play all of these in VFL:

Green/Ladhams

Francis
Hamling
Snell
Edwards
KPD draftee
Cochran (maybe wing)

McLean/Amartey
Buller
KPF draftee
Ladhams/Green

We'd basically need 3 of these with seniors or injured each week, even disregarding top ups.

They say we have plenty in the mids but when push comes to shove, that is where we get killed. We need Sheldrick in there. I think it was a huge mistake not picking him for the Granny. I would have played him as a sub in the first final. He was ready to go & has played good footy in the Twos.

I am not wrapped in Campbell off HB. I like him as an attacking player. Lloyd has been good as a winger/mid. I would give him more mid time. A bit like Jack but a better kick. Lloyd contests & that is an area we are shits at. To improve in contested possession you need players at the coalface who contest. Sheldrick & Lloyd both are heavy on contested ball.

I don't see Chad as a huge contestor. More a receiver or a run and take ruck's tap player. Brody has given us plenty of tap to advantage but we have only converted about half to clearances. We need to develop into a contested team if we wish to win a premiership. If we don't we might make it to the Last Dance but the outcome will be no better.v

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[caesar88]

Is it true there are two key position twins that are expected to be available at our picks?

 

[Kbroome]

Is it true there are two key position twins that are expected to be available at our picks?

Whitlocks, one is more in the backline and the other a forward/ruck. More on the lighter agile end of KP players but feels like just another Amartey tbh

 

[Kiama Chris]

Is it true there are two key position twins that are expected to be available at our picks?

Jack (KPF) and Matt (KPD/F) Whitlock.
Whether they'll be available is debatable.
Jack 200cm, Matt 197. Both a bit skinny but good marks and skills.

 

[bedford]

Whitlocks, one is more in the backline and the other a forward/ruck. More on the lighter agile end of KP players but feels like just another Amartey tbh

He's taking the piss , everyone knows it , just 2 have to reply to everything.
Nice to have others opinions at times

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Is it true there are two key position twins that are expected to be available at our picks?

Whitlock brothers not sure they both are available but yes