List Mgmt. 2024 Father Son watch MKIII. Operation Ashcroft jnr. Featuring various academy boys.

[Jivlain]

 

[knaf]

2023 Guernsey Numbers Locked In

The fresh faces at the Lions have locked their guernsey numbers in for next season.

www.lions.com.au

#5 - Josh Dunkley

#8 - Will Ashcroft

#13 - Blake Coleman

#19 - Jack Gunston

#25 - Henry Smith

#26 - Conor McKenna

#28 - Jaspa Fletcher

#34 - Shadeau Brain

#50 - Darryl McDowell-White

Nice of Henry Smith to give up his 19 to Gunston.

Interesting that Blake gets a lower number. Will be watching him with interest in the magoos next year. Potential X factor. Fingers crossed at least a couple of games in the first.

edit he is already listed as 13?

 

[JasRulz63]

Interesting that Blake gets a lower number. Will be watching him with interest in the magoos next year. Potential X factor. Fingers crossed at least a couple of games in the first.

edit he is already listed as 13?

Was previously #34, Tom Berry had the #13 previously.

 

[Sherrinator]

Chronic traumatic encephalopathy?

Yeah. Brain shadows.

 

[Warwick]

5 Dunkley
6 McCluggage
7 Berry
8 Ashcroft
9 Neale

Love that.

 

[briztoon]

Yeah Big George I refer to him as is I would gather standing beside him mid 2021 around 194 then but as we all understand perhaps a few more cm come still. He was then before his ACL a top 5 pic in everyone’s eyes at the Rebels. I have watched this kid since a 12 year old in basketball he was the standout in all country champs also. If he slipped through he has all the skills and a massive frame. My concern is though he was already a strongly built unit and how he returns back as a man amongst boys beforehand. His foot skills were like a midfielder so has all the tools


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Article on afl.com today has George listed as 189cm.

Young stars picked for Vic Country training hub

A selection of Victoria Country players will take part in a training hub this weekend in preparation for next year's national championships

www.afl.com.au

 

[Bucking Beads]

Nice of Richy to retire to allow for Levi Ashcroft to grab the 10 guernsey next off season..

 

[Lazza16]

5 Dunkley
6 McCluggage
7 Berry
8 Ashcroft
9 Neale

Love that.

Ashcroft sitting next to Neale in the locker room will be great learning experience for him.

 

[briztoon]

Nice of Richy to retire to allow for Levi Ashcroft to grab the 10 guernsey next off season..

2024.

 

[Dalions]

2024.

Is that when Levi will take the number 10 to sit the other side of Neale

 

[countryVicLion]

Article on afl.com today has George listed as 189cm.

Young stars picked for Vic Country training hub

A selection of Victoria Country players will take part in a training hub this weekend in preparation for next year's national championships

www.afl.com.au

Interesting he towers over me at 178cm and mustn’t have grown since he was 16 at all.


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[blueiris]

5 Dunkley
6 McCluggage
7 Berry
8 Ashcroft
9 Neale

Love that.

No doubt Levi will take 10 when it’s available in 25

 

[Jubair]

5 Dunkley
6 McCluggage
7 Berry
8 Ashcroft
9 Neale

Love that.

Great work by Ashcroft to choose that number. Learn from some of the best in the competition but also see, day in day out, how the other midfielders (also 2-3 of the competition's best) operate.

 

[lionraven]

Afl drafting seems like such a shitshow compared to nfl drafts. Darfting young adults who haven't finished growing yet and trying to figure out their development trajectories seems like guesswork when it comes to key position prospects and contested midfielders where physical size differences between players at junior leagues can mask deficiencies that translate poorly to the AFL where players playing the same roll are roughly the same size. It seems like a total crapshoot. I remember seeing Chol at VFL level when he was thinner. You could see he had the athletic traits and the mental ability to get separation but was getting pushed out against bigger guys. 3 seasons later and a few kilograms heavier and he seems poised to really flourish as a 2nd tall foil to King. I saw Schache when he was with us. He always looked clumsy, slow and static. Like he didnt know where to run. I didn't understand the hype we had for him as he only seemed to do well when the opposition neglected him and he would get a few easy marks. Then the opposition would move a proper defender on him and he would melt immediately. I wonder how these drafts would pan out if we drafted 21 year olds out of secondary leagues instead of highschoolers.

 

[scoman]

Afl drafting seems like such a shitshow compared to nfl drafts. Darfting young adults who haven't finished growing yet and trying to figure out their development trajectories seems like guesswork when it comes to key position prospects and contested midfielders where physical size differences between players at junior leagues can mask deficiencies that translate poorly to the AFL where players playing the same roll are roughly the same size. It seems like a total crapshoot. I remember seeing Chol at VFL level when he was thinner. You could see he had the athletic traits and the mental ability to get separation but was getting pushed out against bigger guys. 3 seasons later and a few kilograms heavier and he seems poised to really flourish as a 2nd tall foil to King. I saw Schache when he was with us. He always looked clumsy, slow and static. Like he didnt know where to run. I didn't understand the hype we had for him as he only seemed to do well when the opposition neglected him and he would get a few easy marks. Then the opposition would move a proper defender on him and he would melt immediately. I wonder how these drafts would pan out if we drafted 21 year olds out of secondary leagues instead of highschoolers.

I don't disagree with what you are saying regarding the difficulty of drafting on potential. But, there are some difficulties with raising the draft age, mainly:

- each year there are a handful of guys are ready to make a significant impact for their teams at 18 years of age. Asking guys like Daicos, Rowell, JHF, Ashcroft etc. to wait another year or three would be a pretty difficult pill to swallow for guys like that and their supporters.

- pushing guys to spend a couple of years in limbo after finishing school, without a college sporting system in place could very well reduce the number of AFL ready players as many lose interest, get distracted.

 

[Grasshopper17]

The last point I especially agree with. AFL salaries aren't so high that every young man (and woman eventually) is going to forgo or delay a potentially successful career in whatever area of study they graduate from at age 21, when it could very well pay them just as well and put them under far less stress from a publicity perspective.

Different in the USA where professional sports salaries are so far above what Joe Blow makes, most 21 year olds are happy to put their business careers on hold.

 

[Grasshopper17]

Having said that, I think the current draft age is too low from a mental (and even physical) health point of view and if it wasn't for the above I think it would make sense to lift it to an age similar to what we see in the states.

 

[Fatcat08]

Only sliders win you drafts

There's some interesting statistics around the fact that there is actually no such thing as a slider. In theory it makes sense that they don't actually exist because where a player is picked is largely a representation of the group thought on that player. That's not to say that people don't outperform their draft stock.

On the other hand there is significant evidence of reaches, and as you'd assume they have a very low strike rate

 

[Thommo 42]

Don't think the draft age is wrong. I just think the obsession with drafting mostly the minimum age each year is crazy.

50+ picks in this years draft, I haven't bothered to actually check but I'm guessing about 40 were 18.

 

[briztoon]

Don't think the draft age is wrong. I just think the obsession with drafting mostly the minimum age each year is crazy.

50+ picks in this years draft, I haven't bothered to actually check but I'm guessing about 40 were 18.

At a guess.

59 drafted. 55 would be 18.

Their wouldn’t be many undrafted over age or mature age players out there who would be best 22 players on an AFL list.

Between the SSP and mid season draft, any late bloomers get picked up each year.

When drafting 18 year olds, clubs aren’t drafting for depth, they are drafting kids who could potentially one day be a best 22 player.

 

[Grasshopper17]

When drafting 18 year olds, clubs aren’t drafting for depth, they are drafting kids who could potentially one day be a best 22 player.

And, perhaps even more to the point, trying to get them before anyone else does.

 

[Morbidly_Obese]

When drafting 18 year olds, clubs aren’t drafting for depth, they are drafting kids who could potentially one day be a best 22 player.

Wouldn't anyone they draft be automatically added to the depth?

 

[briztoon]

Wouldn't anyone they draft be automatically added to the depth?

No.

My definition of a depth player, is one who can contribute to the senior team if called up, due to injury to a best 22 player.

Mathieson and Lester are perfect examples of a depth player.

You could potentially still find a few such players running out in the State leagues.

Not all draftees are able to contribute at such a level in their first year, or years.

 

[Miller1971]

And, perhaps even more to the point, trying to get them before anyone else does.

this is 100% the reason people still speculate on 18 year olds - but when there are 21 year olds available where no speculation is really even required, not enough of them get taken.

Some 18 year olds may have limited upside, while there are probably a few 20-21 year olds still with incredible upside.

 

[Morbidly_Obese]

this is 100% the reason people still speculate on 18 year olds - but when there are 21 year olds available where no speculation is really even required, not enough of them get taken.

Some 18 year olds may have limited upside, while there are probably a few 20-21 year olds still with incredible upside.

Define 'incredible'.

 

[briztoon]

Interview with Mark Browning, junior development officer with AFLQ, talking about Jaspa Fletcher and Shadeau Brain (amongst others).

Skip to the 17:45 minute mark.