2024 Ladder Predictions

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Serious question. Why does almost every poster have Richmond in the bottom 4?

We have not finished bottom 4 since 2010 and there's nothing to suggest we will bottom out yet. So I just want to know why do many people have us falling eight off.

Riewoldt's gone and Lynch is not exactly young either. Your stars of Martin, Prestia and a few others are at an age where they are only going to get worse.

Could just be my feeling but I don't think Richmond have the youth coming through to replace the stars that are either gone or on the decline and at the moment there is no reason to believe Richmond will be better in 2024 than they were in 2023.
 
Brisbane
Collingwood
GWS
Western Bulldogs
Sydney
Adelaide
Melbourne
Port
Carlton
Gold coast
Geelong
Essendon
Saints
Richmond
Freo
North
West Coast

First coach to go - Longmire

brownlow - bont

Premiers -:GWS
Were hawthorn kicked out of the AFL?
 

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Adelaide
Sydney
GWS
Brisbane
Collingwood
GC
Sydney
Hawthorn

Carlton
Port
Suns
Richmond
GWS
West Coast
Geelong
StKilda
Kangas
Fremantle
Hawks
Amazing year for the Hawks to play finals and grab Pick 1!
 
Heres mine:

top 4 teams: pies lions gws crows
next 4 : blues suns stkila port

just out of the 8 are:

dees dogs essendon sydney

next 4:

cats hawks tigers freo

bottom 2:

roos and eagles

i have grouped them

toss up between blues and crows i think pies and lions are top 2
gws to continue on their good 2023
either port or dees make finals one of them has to miss
suns under hardwick could make first finals
dogs essendon swans much of a muchness just miss
further down i have the likes of cats hawks and tigers
along with freo
roos for 17th
spoons all west coasts
 
My way too early ladder prediction for 2024.


Collingwood
Brisbane
GWS
Carlton
Melbourne
Port Adelaide
Adelaide
Geelong

Sydney
Western Bulldogs
Essendon
Gold Coast
St Kilda
Richmond
Hawthorn
North Melbourne
Fremantle
West Coast


Collingwood and Brisbane will still be the two best teams next year.

GWS - Showed that they can mix it with the best, They're solid around the entire field.

Carlton - Similar to GWS, although I have less confidence with them, but they should competing for top 4 if they perform. Although as we saw this year the difference between top 4 and missing the top 8 entirely can be slim!

Melbourne - I have a feeling might be a bit shaky next year with the all the off field stuff. But I still can't bring myself to write them off, There's just way too much talent there. They did end up having a pretty easy fixture this year though so maybe a more difficult fixture could see them slide a little also.

Port Adelaide - Could improve if they pick up some decent defenders, Still have a few holes in their list. They can't afford for players like Rozee/Butters to be off their game as they're so important.

Adelaide - Had quite the difficult fixture this year and still only just missed out, If their old boys in Tex etc. can keep firing and they get a slightly easier fixture and see some improvement in their youth. I could see them doing some serious damage next year.

Geelong - I just can't write these guys off.... as much as we all want to year after year! They should have a better run with injuries they will have an easier fixture and they will still play in September, Hell they will probably be top 4 lol.

Sydney - Has plenty of young talent that could see improvement and I think they probably under performed this year. Could easily see them in the 8 If the likes of Chad Warner, Isaac Heeney etc. recapture their form. Their defense has some question marks though especially with McCartin hanging up the boots, but they also made some nice acquisitions this trade period in Grundy and Adams.

Western Bulldogs - They are absolutely oozing with talent but I just don't have much faith in their game plan and their defense is sorely lacking. They need to shake things up but I can understand why they are reluctant, It often takes time for things to settle after hiring a new coach etc. and they want to make the most of their list whilst they can. The likes of Libba, Bont etc. won't be there for ever.

Essendon - I think we will improve somewhat, The likes of McKay almost ensure that. If we can get Wright for the full year, get some of our perpetually injured players up and running we could see some nice improvement there too. Plenty of young players which could possibly see improvement also, Although the competition is so tight it probably won't be enough just yet.

Gold coast - I think the list over at the gold coast goes a little under the radar, I quite like what they're building over there and with a new proven coach with lots of new toys at his disposal, I think they will be quite competitive come next year.

St Kilda - They were ravaged with injuries this year and still performed quite well so why on earth do I have them so low? The competition is so damn close that being this low you could still be competing for top 6. I do rate Ross as a coach but I just have a feeling they were running a bit on that "New coach high" and they will get a much harder fixture this year. I just see too many holes in their list personally.

Richmond - Even with Lynch fit and firing I think they will struggle a little next year, I think a mini rebuild is in order.

Hawthorn - Although they finished very strongly and are building quite the solid midfield brigade, they still lack a few pieces at the other ends of the ground. On top of that they are still quite young and will struggle to perform across the entire season regardless. They won't be bad by any means it's just a close competition.

North Melbourne - With Clarko finally at the helm and hopefully a better run with injuries I think North will compete well come next year! Although they are still extremely young and have massive deficiencies in their list, which will only become worse with McKay leaving. By no means will they be easy beats though!

Fremantle - I think will struggle next year. They Probably won't improve much and others will go past them. Freo were looking quite good not long ago but they keep bleeding players which is rough. They will by no means be the West coast and North of this season but 2nd last regardless.

West Coast - should hopefully bring better fitness and less injuries next year but they will find themselves here all the same. In need of a proper rebuild. They have some solid players and if they can get some continuity next year they should be a lot more competitive.




DISCLAIMER - I tried to take in account Ladder positions, Trades so far, Injuries, Fixture difficulty and just pure gut feeling. We all know this ladder wont be even remotely accurate (They never are) so try not to take it so personally. Iv'e also tried to give a brief reasoning at 5am, mildly intoxicated, So Enjoy it for what it is and let the discussions flow. You will undoubtedly have a better understanding of your own teams list than I ever will I'm sure.

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1. Lions
2. Blues
3. Pies
4. Giants
5. Crows
6. Swans
7. Doggies
8. Power

9. Suns
10. Dockers
11. Saints
12. Hawks
13. Tigers
14. Cats (I forgot about Geelong but cbf re=jigging the ladder but they'll be higher than this)
15. Bombers
16. Norf
17. Eagles
18. Choking loser Demons.

- Home and away predictions.
I love it how the Pies and Dees now have a heated rivalry.

You are ether being vindictive, you have no idea about footy or you have an intellectual disability if you think the Dees are wining the spoon.

Sure we might miss the 8, but we sure as shit ain’t taking out last place.
 
I love it how the Pies and Dees now have a heated rivalry.

You are ether being vindictive, you have no idea about footy or you have an intellectual disability if you think the Dees are wining the spoon.

Sure we might miss the 8, but we sure as s**t ain’t taking out last place.

Nah. Just taking the piss. :tearsofjoy:
 
Why do Geelong fans think they'll get an easier draw? The AFL isn't fair. They don't operate on an even playing field at all when it comes to the draw.

I wonder if people who think we had a hard draw actually look at it. Of the top 4 teams, we only played Collingwood and Port twice. Only played Melbourne and Brisbane once - and Melbourne was at Geelong. The other finalists - Carlton, GWS, St.Kilda, and Sydney - we only played once each.
 

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I wonder if people who think we had a hard draw actually look at it. Of the top 4 teams, we only played Collingwood and Port twice. Only played Melbourne and Brisbane once - and Melbourne was at Geelong. The other finalists - Carlton, GWS, St.Kilda, and Sydney - we only played once each.
But how many times did we play bottom teams?
 
I wonder if people who think we had a hard draw actually look at it. Of the top 4 teams, we only played Collingwood and Port twice. Only played Melbourne and Brisbane once - and Melbourne was at Geelong. The other finalists - Carlton, GWS, St.Kilda, and Sydney - we only played once each.

It was a tough draw.
The fact we didn't play our first home game until round 6 says so.
And to close out the season, we faced Port Adelaide, Western Bulldogs and Collingwood, three teams all expected to do well before the year had even began.
 
I wonder if people who think we had a hard draw actually look at it. Of the top 4 teams, we only played Collingwood and Port twice. Only played Melbourne and Brisbane once - and Melbourne was at Geelong. The other finalists - Carlton, GWS, St.Kilda, and Sydney - we only played once each.
You versed sydney twice? Also a double up on the doggies who are quite formidable. Your easy double ups were Essendon and Fremantle, which are by no means easy beats compared to some teams.
( Although in the case of Geelong vs Essendon we most certainly were easy beats )


I believe you guys had one of the harder fixtures personally.
 
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Riewoldt's gone and Lynch is not exactly young either. Your stars of Martin, Prestia and a few others are at an age where they are only going to get worse.

Could just be my feeling but I don't think Richmond have the youth coming through to replace the stars that are either gone or on the decline and at the moment there is no reason to believe Richmond will be better in 2024 than they were in 2023.
Fair enough. I think people are underrating our youth but I understand this opinion.

I think Brown, Banks and Sonsie will impress a few next year. Our mid-season pick ups Coulthard and Tresize look like they can play as well (and if they come good it will mean so much for the club).

A midfield core in their prime of Hopper, Taranto and Bolton should be good enough to see us above the bottom four imo.
 
Fair enough. I think people are underrating our youth but I understand this opinion.

I think Brown, Banks and Sonsie will impress a few next year. Our mid-season pick ups Coulthard and Tresize look like they can play as well (and if they come good it will mean so much for the club).

A midfield core in their prime of Hopper, Taranto and Bolton should be good enough to see us above the bottom four imo.
What teams can't run with that midfield though? You can list 3 good players in just about every midfield in the comp, every team could list a handful of young players that they expect decent growth from as well. Everyone around you will also look to be improve, What's Richmond's point of difference?

Finishing 15th doesn't even have to mean you are that bad you can still rack up 9 or so wins and finish that low seeing as the competition is so competitive currently. The difference between being bottom 4 and top 6 has never been closer.
 
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What teams can't run with that midfield though? You can list 3 good players in just about every midfield in the comp, every team could list a handful of young players that they expect decent growth from as well.
What's Richmond's point of difference?

Finishing 15th doesn't even have to mean you're that bad you can still rack up 9 or so wins and finish that low seeing as the competition is so competitive currently. The difference between bottom 4 and top 8 has never been closer.
Sorry it was a bit vague. Those 3 players are pretty good and all in the prime age range, which means we won't need to rely on our aging stars in our midfield (Dusty and Prestia, even though I don't think Dusty will necessarily drop off).

And yes I agree. So many teams are tipped to rise next year that we may well have an average year and still be bottom four. I think being bottom four with 8/9+ wins would be an excellent result if we aren't contending for the flag.
 
1. GWS - orange will be the new black&white
2. Brisbane - vengeance is a powerful thing
3. Sydney - grund.JPG
4. Carlton - Voss
5. Collingwood - remember '91? will have partied themselves half to death, still be up there-ish though
6. Adelaide - stop crapping on about the MCG GF, how underrated this current crows group is the real proof of Vicbias
7. Port Adelaide - will finish in the 8 on talent, but Ken will have guzzled his last coke zero by seasons end
8. Gold Coast - Bears in 95 late season run to finish off the year


9. Melbourne - off-field stuff + plus pi**ing games they should win down the drain
10 Hawthorn - we all know its coming, might as well accept it
11 St Kilda - they're stuck between a Ross and a hard place
12 Western Bulldogs - age will start to show, Bevo gone, Tom Morris to have the (shrill, smug and irritating) last laugh
13 Geelong - come on now, it's enough already with the Geelong
14 Fremantle - Longmuir is the new Mark Harvey, will get knifed for a 'big name' coach
15 Essendon - is don, is not particularly good
16 Richmond - transition year for the Tigers of old
17 North Melbourne - rebuild of a rebuild, can't see us leapfrogging anyone
18 West Coast - the AFL is very close to it's any given Sunday model, with only 2 clubs truly in the mire, and with 16 other clubs mostly competitive on their day, it's a long way back for both

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Brisbane - Can see them losing maybe 3 games
Collingwood - Won't lost at the G - Guarantees 15+ wins
GWS - The Orange Tsunami will continue
Carlton - Will be more consistent

Geelong - Easier Draw for the 1st time in half a decade - 9 games at KP
Port Adelaide - Finals or Bust for Hinkley
Sydney - Grundy will dominate
Melbourne - To much quality to miss finals

Gold Coast - They'll finish 9th under Hardwick
Adelaide - Possibly the most difficult club to place in terms of development
Western Bulldogs - Bevridge Gone Mid Season
St.Kilda - Is the list good enough to play finals with a harder draw
Fremantle - Do they know what sort of team they are
Richmond - Will they struggle of Lynch isn't the player he once was
Hawthorn -Another 20 games into that list - 2025 should be finals
Essendon - Days without winning a final win extend to 7000+
North Melbourne -Development is the Key
West Coast - As with North Development is the Key
You know that’s not true regarding Hinkley…
 
You versed sydney twice? Also a double up on the doggies who are quite formidable. Your easy double ups were Essendon and Fremantle, which are by no means easy beats compared to some teams.
( Although in the case of Geelong vs Essendon we most certainly were easy beats )

I believe you guys had one of the harder fixtures personally.

We played Sydney twice? Apologies, I completely forgot the return match in Sydney (and it was pretty forgettable).
 
But how many times did we play bottom teams?

It about matched the percentage of top teams.

We got Essendon twice, Fremantle twice, Dogs twice, North only once (but it was at Geelong), Hawthorn and Eagles once. GWS and Richmond only once each with the slight problem of losing both.

There were many reasons we slipped this year, I'm not sure the draw is one of them.
 
My way too early ladder prediction for 2024.


Collingwood
Brisbane
GWS
Carlton
Melbourne
Port Adelaide
Adelaide
Geelong

Sydney
Western Bulldogs
Essendon
Gold Coast
St Kilda
Richmond
Hawthorn
North Melbourne
Fremantle
West Coast


Collingwood and Brisbane will still be the two best teams next year.

GWS showed that they can mix it with the best, They're solid around the entire field.

Carlton similar to GWS although i have slightly less confidence with them, but they should competing for top 4 if they perform. Although as we saw this year the difference between top 4 and missing the top 8 entirely can be slim!

Melbourne I have a feeling might be a bit shaky next year with the all the off field stuff. But I still can't bring myself to write them off, There's just way too much talent there. They did end up having a pretty easy fixture this year though so maybe a more difficult fixture could see them slide a little also.

Port Adelaide could improve if they pick up some decent defenders, Although I still think the slide a little. Still have a few holes in their list. They can't afford for players like Rozee/Butters to be off their game as they're so important.

Adelaide had quite the difficult fixture this year and still only just missed out, If their old boys in Tex etc. can keep firing and they get a slightly easier fixture and see some improvement in their youth. I could see them doing some serious damage next year.

Geelong I just can't write these guys off.... as much as we all want to year after year! They should have a better run with injuries they will have an easier fixture and they will still play in September, Hell they will probably be top 4 lol.

Sydney has plenty of young talent that could see improvement and I think they probably under performed this year. Could easily see them in the 8, If the likes of Chad Warner recapture their 2022 form. Their defense has some question marks though especially with McCartin hanging up the boots.

Western Bulldogs They are absolutely oozing with talent but I just don't have much faith in their game plan and their defense is sorely lacking. They need to shake things up but I can understand why they are reluctant, It often takes time for things to settle after hiring a new coach etc. and they want to make the most of their list whilst they can. The likes of Libba, Bont etc. won't be there for ever.

Essendon I think we will improve somewhat, The likes of McKay almost ensure that. If we can get Wright for the full year, get some of our perpetually injured players up and running we could see some nice improvement there too. Plenty of young players which could possibly see improvement also, Although the competition is so tight it probably won't be enough just yet.

Gold coast I think the list over at the gold coast goes a little under the radar, I quite like what they're building over there and with a new proven coach with lots of toys I think they will be quite competitive come next year.

St Kilda They were ravaged with injuries this year and still performed quite well so why on earth do I have them so low? The competition is so damn close that being this low you could still be competing for top 6. I do rate Ross as a coach but I just have a feeling they were running a bit on that "New coach high" and they will get a much harder fixture this year. I just see too many holes in their list personally.

Richmond Even with Lynch fit and firing I think they will struggle a little next year, I think a mini rebuild is in order.

Hawthorn although they finished very strongly and are building quite the solid brigade, I fear they are still too young to do it over an entire season. They won't be bad by any means it's just a close competition.

North Melbourne With Clarko finally at the helm and hopefully a better run with injuries I think North will compete well come next year! Although they are still extremely young and have massive deficiencies in their list, which will only become worse with McKay leaving. By no means will they be easy beats though!

Fremantle I think will struggle next year. They Probably won't improve much and others will go past them. Freo were looking quite good not long ago but they keep bleeding players which is rough. They will by no means be the West coast and North of this season but 2nd last regardless.

West Coast should hopefully bring better fitness and less injuries next year but they will find themselves here all the same. In need of a proper rebuild. They have some solid players and if they can get some continuity next year they should be a lot more competitive.




DISCLAIMER - I tried to take in account Ladder positions, Trades so far, Injuries, Fixture difficulty and just pure gut feeling. We all know this ladder wont be even remotely accurate (They never are) so try not to take it so personally. Iv'e also tried to give a brief reasoning at 5am, mildly intoxicated, So Enjoy it for what it is and let the discussions flow. You will undoubtedly have a better understanding of your own teams list than I ever will I'm sure.

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Kudos for so much effort. Very comprehensive!
 

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