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Coona Blues said:
Simples?

Not quite, taking Owies, Fogarty and Cuningham takes three options from one role in one fell swoop. Unless Fantasia is “flying” to go with Motlop, Durds and Cottrell. A combo of Martin, E.Hollands and Moir may mitigate to a degree, but it seems unlikely. I suppose we could repurpose Williams and/or Boyd in the front half as the young defenders come on.
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Owies and Fogarty/Cuningham do not play the same role. We won’t be repurposing Williams and Boyd - we have recruited plenty of FP and HFF options.

TDK/Silvagni Curnow xxxx
Martin McKay xxxx

Durdin, Motlop, Hollands, Cottrell, Fantasia is plenty for two best 18 positions. Moir is a Silvagni/Martin replacement.
 
BrisbaneCFC said:
Still think he should be our number one KPD, allowing Weitering to be the number two KPD, rounded out by Gov as the talls down back.
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I think we're definitely short one real gun tall backman. We did trade the pick GWS used on Sam Taylor. Someone at that level is really the only gap we have down back. But from what I've seen of Durdin he's just a bit slow for AFL level.

Other gaps: An AA level ruckman... most of us see TDK graduating to that level this year.

Speed in the midfield. Fantasia/Williams should help a little from the flanks but this is still our biggest gap.

I think we're well covered everywhere else.
 

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teddy-hopkins said:
I think we're definitely short one real gun tall backman. We did trade the pick GWS used on Sam Taylor. Someone at that level is really the only gap we have down back. But from what I've seen of Durdin he's just a bit slow for AFL level.

Other gaps: An AA level ruckman... most of us see TDK graduating to that level this year.

Speed in the midfield. Fantasia/Williams should help a little from the flanks but this is still our biggest gap.

I think we're well covered everywhere else.
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I think end of next year our recruiters will be all about recruiting a top level quick onballer. I think we are a team who is one high grade ready made recruit in this area from becoming a genuine contender. Our Dangerfield moment or another Cerra moment.

A draftee in this area isn't going to be ready in time and at our first pick may not have been the quality we are aiming at so possible why we avoided the onballer and chose more outside players unless we play one of them in the middle.

I think come the end of next season we will see ourselves head hunting that elite quick, hard running mid. Hopefully have the cap space and the picks and there is someone available.

Nice to see us add plenty of pace and two way run the last two seasons in the draft. Camporeale twins coming in next season, we should hopefully have plenty of pace to pick from over the coming seasons.

Williams will add a fair bit. Fantasia will hopefully as well.

DeKoning is just needs to add a bit more consistency with his marking and he jumps a level or two in quality. Hoping that happens with a bit more size and maturity.

I like having a more mobile CHB in Marchbank. He's the same height as May who is an elite key defender. He hasn't had a full preseason in a while. Think there is a lot to look forward to there. He's an intercept marker, he also provides two way overlap run from defence which is rare for a player his size.

Young a Durdin are good backup for Weitering. Not sure who is good backup for Marchbank? McGovern may have to change his role at times to play CHB, we have a bit of backup for McGovern with Cowan. That tall fast defender could be a need for us if we have enough injuries but here is hoping we don't.
 
bigblueboy said:
Kemp is not a midfielder at AFL level
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If you're suggesting that he isn't yet that's fair, if obvious. If you're suggesting he can never be, on what basis?
Fevolution! said:
Just because Walsh is a gun runner, doesn’t mean he’s a wingman.

The wing can be a self sacrificing role at times. We don’t want Walsh sacrificing his game..he’s a Roles Royce.
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I just don't want him primarily starting at the centre bounce as I think he tends to hurt us there more than he helps. Happy for him to be more on-ball outside of that because we can restructure accordingly.

Think it would be helpful to our talent pool if he can do a decent chunk of outside work and defensive coverage on the wing when we turn the ball over.
Bamboo Harvester said:
It's a fair assessment....for the first time for a long time, we'll likely see more players seeking trades elsewhere for more opportunities. It started this year with Fish and Dow, and as our list grows deeper, you'd suspect others will follow.

Just a few points though in response. For mine, I wouldn't trade George for the world - he's played some great footy for us since we got him over, and just built for finals. I reckon Vossy would love him, and not taking up much salary. Kennedy I can see becoming depth and could get shopped around.

I'm also a huge fan of Corey Durdin. Injuries over the past year have held him back, but I still think he's our best small forward. Owies could be the one looking over his shoulder - for mine, his limitations were found out during the finals series to the point where the match committee lost patience with him. Fog was a far better option. Either way, I'd still have Durdin well ahead of both.

I suspect Young may get shopped around, although he's actually decent depth in more than one position. If both of our rucks go down like what happened in the Freo game, he can take on that role. Seemed to lose all confidence down back this year, so not sure where he's placed there. I just don't think we can have both him and Nigel as depth KPD's running around in the magoo's. At some stage we need to bring in a young KPD to develop.

Big Dom is on borrowed time this year - freakish athleticism - but apart from that, nowhere near AFL standard. Unless there's a major turnaround, I can't see him getting promoted to the senior list - so the vacant Cat B rookie spot should be taken by Duffy.
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Kennedy, Young, Owies, Corey Durdin, and Pittonet seem like straight forward choices to me for trading currency at the end of 2024.

Can't send all of them out of course, but if they're not excelling in our 22 at the end of the year a few of them serve both us and the sport better by being somewhere else getting a crack at playing a role for a side on the regular.

I know some are suggesting our 2024 draft is locked in, but we don't know the final range on the twins yet, and if there's opportunity for us to get into the top 10 for some quality players, I'm sure we'll take that.

Lots to play out, including many players with long injury histories, and I'm even giving Dom a decent chance if they bother to send him forward. Hopefully all the VFL moves we've made allow for that.
 
gbatman said:
I think end of next year our recruiters will be all about recruiting a top level quick onballer. I think we are a team who is one high grade ready made recruit in this area from becoming a genuine contender. Our Dangerfield moment or another Cerra moment.

A draftee in this area isn't going to be ready in time and at our first pick may not have been the quality we are aiming at so possible why we avoided the onballer and chose more outside players unless we play one of them in the middle.

I think come the end of next season we will see ourselves head hunting that elite quick, hard running mid. Hopefully have the cap space and the picks and there is someone available.

Nice to see us add plenty of pace and two way run the last two seasons in the draft. Camporeale twins coming in next season, we should hopefully have plenty of pace to pick from over the coming seasons.

Williams will add a fair bit. Fantasia will hopefully as well.

DeKoning is just needs to add a bit more consistency with his marking and he jumps a level or two in quality. Hoping that happens with a bit more size and maturity.

I like having a more mobile CHB in Marchbank. He's the same height as May who is an elite key defender. He hasn't had a full preseason in a while. Think there is a lot to look forward to there. He's an intercept marker, he also provides two way overlap run from defence which is rare for a player his size.

Young a Durdin are good backup for Weitering. Not sure who is good backup for Marchbank? McGovern may have to change his role at times to play CHB, we have a bit of backup for McGovern with Cowan. That tall fast defender could be a need for us if we have enough injuries but here is hoping we don't.
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Young and Weitering have played a lot together so he's the backup to both Marchbank and Gov being out at the same time you'd think. He's got the ability but mentally imploded a few times which cost him his spot. Caught a case of the Plowmans. He'd still be a long way in front of Durdin though.

A few of these high $ contracts should be expiring soon. I think Gov has finished and Martin not far off. Williams still has 3 years to run unfortunately but with the salary cap going up quite a bit it becomes a lot more affordable.

So we could be in a position to afford another big contract but it gets down to how much we've already committed to our 6 or 7 stars. I don't think it's a guarantee. The priority is going to be on keeping the list together and hitting the draft for the foreseeable future.

I'd like us to put a big effort into trading up to a top 10 pick next year (hopefully landing above the campo twins). Even if it means trading out a Zac Fisher type again.
 
Bletch said:
I'm less concerned with Gold Coast's academy than I am with North's handout.

Every chance that if the Gold Coast (and other Northern) academy wasn't in place, the kids that were drafted wouldn't have been available anyway (playing other sports - rugby, league, basketball, soccer). The AFL is looking to consolidate in the northern states, and if the price we pay for that is that the Suns get a raft of Academy kids, so be it. As the Gold Coast said today, when they lost their two captains (Lynch, May) a few years back, they were told to strengthen their local input. They've done that, and now they get complaints that it's too strong? The go-home factor will always be there for players they recruit from the southern states, so all power to them if they've built a strong local feed - it can only strengthen the competition long term.

Why the media is focusing on the Gold Coast as the compromising factor in this draft is beyond me. The handouts to North were far more compromising, yet there's little to no focus on that at all. Want to fix compromised drafts? (1) Fix free agency compensation. It's a rort. (2) No handouts. I can't see West Coast being a whole lot better in 2024 than they were this year. And this year they equalled the record for the number of 100pt thrashings. In a far worse state then North. If so, you'd think they'd make a fair case for handouts next year.
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Agreed why reward a club who went all in with b grade rejetcs that made multiple prelims. Are the Eagles now going to get the same or even Geelong once they crash in the next 1-2 years? the precedent seems to be had with norf...
 
Jimmae said:
If you're suggesting that he isn't yet that's fair, if obvious. If you're suggesting he can never be, on what basis?
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I’m not willing to write Kemp off as a midfielder yet … but he’s shown little at VFL level (and honestly not much at underage level) to suggest he will be a regular and reliable AFL midfielder.
I see him as a third tall forward but expect he club see him as a defender and he will continue in that role in 2024.
 
bigblueboy said:
I’m not willing to write Kemp off as a midfielder yet … but he’s shown little at VFL level (and honestly not much at underage level) to suggest he will be a regular and reliable AFL midfielder.
I see him as a third tall forward but expect the club see him as a defender and he will continue in that role in 2024.
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Same
 

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TimeFor17 said:
Good to see someone without blinkers on.

The afl academy system is so good for footy up here in QLD. Plus they don’t get any father sons that vic clubs have access to.

And yes, the afl has got to stop giving handouts to perennially struggling clubs. If they can’t survive by now, cut the umbilical chord and put resources to better measure - Time to stop trying to bait a sinker expecting to catch a fish.
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Gold Coast and GWS don’t get Father Sons for obvious reasons, the other 2 clubs (Brissy especially) sure as hell do. Not sure what planet you were on when writing that?


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Stamos said:
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Jumper numbers revealed for season 2024

See which Blues are wearing what numbers next season.
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They haven't given Duffy a number. I seriously doubt that we listed him.
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100%. His injury happened well before the list lodgement date and he's going to be out for the full year. It sounds like he was going to be category A too so would use up a normal list spot. Given all that it would have been crazy to put him on the list.

While it's unlikely he's earning an AFL salary, wouldn't be surprised if we are helping him out with some of his rehab costs.
 
thylacine60 said:

Is this a premiership side?: Carlton's best 22 ahead of the 2024 AFL season

Carlton's best 22 predicted and analysed ahead of the 2024 AFL season.
www.sen.com.au www.sen.com.au
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FB: Nic Newman, Jacob Weitering, Caleb Marchbank
HB: Zac Williams, Mitch McGovern, Adam Saad
C: Blake Acres, Patrick Cripps, Ollie Hollands
HF: Jack Martin, Charlie Curnow, Sam Walsh
FF: Jesse Motlop, Harry McKay, Jack Silvagni
Fol: Tom De Koning, Adam Cerra, George Hewett
INT: Sam Docherty, Jordan Boyd, Lachie Fogarty, Matt Cottrell
EMG: David Cuningham, Matthew Kennedy, Marc Pittonet, Brodie Kemp
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Typical misfire from SEN, but it has some pretty safe bets.
bigblueboy said:
I’m not willing to write Kemp off as a midfielder yet … but he’s shown little at VFL level (and honestly not much at underage level) to suggest he will be a regular and reliable AFL midfielder.
I see him as a third tall forward but expect he club see him as a defender and he will continue in that role in 2024.
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We just removed 4 midfielders, arguably 5, and replaced them with 1 or 2.

Something's going to shift.
 
Jimmae said:
Typical misfire from SEN, but it has some pretty safe bets.

We just removed 4 midfielders, arguably 5, and replaced them with 1 or 2.

Something's going to shift.
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Not seeing the 4-5 mids we removed

Flankers - Honey, Philp, Fisher, Plow. Cotts took over the Ed Curnow flanker/wing role

Dow and LOB the only true mids but were well behind the pecking order of AFL standard

Added Wilson and E Hollands, both who I believe will have better output between the arcs

Kemp not playing through the middle anytime soon, IMHO
 
teagueyubeauty said:
Gold Coast and GWS don’t get Father Sons for obvious reasons, the other 2 clubs (Brissy especially) sure as hell do. Not sure what planet you were on when writing that?


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Apologies. Didn’t clarify what I meant too well. I was meaning it was good for suns as they don’t get father suns.

Agreed that Bris and Sydney get too much but suns and giants should get academy help.
 
The Bighouse said:
Thought the rugby of Monahan would go alright. Multi-sports as his background & a solid build.
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More because when I look at Duffy I see that classic running halfback type that has done well here so many times before.

Monahan has some great attributes but is a bit different.

Doesn't mean he can't be as good if not better. Just harder to imagine how he might play at AFL level.
 
Arr0w said:
Not seeing the 4-5 mids we removed

Flankers - Honey, Philp, Fisher, Plow. Cotts took over the Ed Curnow flanker/wing role

Dow and LOB the only true mids but were well behind the pecking order of AFL standard

Added Wilson and E Hollands, both who I believe will have better output between the arcs

Kemp not playing through the middle anytime soon, IMHO
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I'm right in the middle with this one.

We parted with Dow, Philp, Ed who were all drafted as true mids, Fish who we drafted as a mid but ended up forward, then back.....and LOB who was a true wingman rather than outside mid. Honey was never a mid although we trialled him there for short periods in scratch matches.

We replaced them with Wilson and Elijah who will play midfield - but we also have B. Campo who will likely merge into that role similar to Walshy, as well as Ollie at some point. Even Cow played midfield minutes in his draft year, so may well even transition there as a bigger bodied mid if required. L. Campo/Binns to develop into the wing role vacated by LOB, and Acres as he's nearing retirement.

Personally, I'd like to see Kemp as a mid/forward at some stage down the track as Crippa/George/Doc slowly disappear into the sunset, but I agree the mids we've brought in (or about to) are a vast improvement on those we've removed - with all due respect to Ed who was just a aging warrior.

One thing we do know is that once Tassie enter the comp, the draft for a few years are going to be completely compromised - which is no doubt why Austin is getting all the ducks in line before that happens. With Duffy coming over next year to develop into a running half back, the only real needs going forward as I see it (assuming TDK doesn't go down the FA route) are a developing KPD, and possibly another marking forward.
 
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