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Generally, players that are traded with reasonable or higher value are those that are contracted and request a trade

While many supporters have players they prefer to be best 22 or remain at the club, the reality is that a list as a whole will have 7-9 changes each year as a minimum

Debates will rage all year, but a picture becomes clearer as the season comes to a close
 
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According to my reckoning, we have
36 Senior Listed players
4 Rookies - M Carroll, Boyd, Mirkov, S.Durdin
2 SSPs - Cincotta, O'Keefe
1 International Rookie - Akuie
2 Irish (Cat ??) Rookies - Duffy, Monohan
45 in total, do we have to cull more or is that ok? I thought the maximum per the rules as 44.
 

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Gointocarlton said:
Not sure if this is the right spot for this, please move if there is a more appropriate place.
According to my reckoning, we have
36 Senior Listed players
4 Rookies - M Carroll, Boyd, Mirkov, S.Durdin
2 SSPs - Cincotta, O'Keefe
1 International Rookie - Akuie
2 Irish (Cat ??) Rookies - Duffy, Monohan
45 in total, do we have to cull more or is that ok? I thought the maximum per the rules as 44.
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We're assuming that Duffy has signed but currently not on our list. So we have a full list of 44.
 
Gointocarlton said:
Not sure if this is the right spot for this, please move if there is a more appropriate place.
According to my reckoning, we have
36 Senior Listed players
4 Rookies - M Carroll, Boyd, Mirkov, S.Durdin
2 SSPs - Cincotta, O'Keefe
1 International Rookie - Akuie
2 Irish (Cat ??) Rookies - Duffy, Monohan
45 in total, do we have to cull more or is that ok? I thought the maximum per the rules as 44.
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2 x SSP’s are A rookies = 6
Akuei is Cat B
Monahan is a Cat B
No word on Duffy….
 
Jimmae said:
He's had minutes in the VFL, unclear how much video or training work has been done (knowing us I'd imagine almost none). Was moved into the midfield as junior and started to dominate games.

Walsh as a centre bounce mid is still a weird dice roll to make, and we probably need 3 athletically capable mids who can play the wing to make the 22 work.

Kemp got dropped repeatedly and only forced his way in on the back of Young shitting the bed and Kemp taking the onus in the VFL to attack the ball in the air and run it out.

Either through instruction or lack of coaching insight, he had not been taking the game on until that point. It's possible that was part of a number of changes being trialled in the VFL, but the exact timing on his tactical change compared to the others eludes me at the moment.

Even then, still got dumped a week after making a fumble that almost cost us a semi-final berth. I think he did a good job in what was something of a makeshift 22 at times last year, but with Docherty redlining it last year in the midfield and now 30, I'm not sure he'll be in our 2023 midfield, or at least I don't think he'll have the most impact there.

Kemp on the other hand has all the raw tools to be a star midfield 1-2 punch with Cripps but everyone here seems to think he's not up to it mentally. I disagree.

I'm not comparing him to Cripps, and if he's a half-decent study he won't need half a VFL season... he can be embedded in the pre-season unless he has zero self-confidence and/or wherewithal.

And I'm happy to call bullshit on him lacking the pace and foot skills for the role. Ball winning is about where you're being played, and when afforded intercept duties he won plenty of ball. His first few steps are very good, and his top end pace is genuinely elite:



First game in he flashed wheels and the ability to release others by hand in traffic...

Look through his highlights from this year and tell me you don't see how the way he moves the ball by hand and foot stands out. Alongside that he's got enough fitness and defensive application to make it all work:



You don't have blokes who make quick decisions and moves in traffic like he does sitting in the back pocket if they can run out games. It's just ludicrous.


That's not really who he'd be replacing. I'd have him relieving on the wing and dipping back if the back six needed more help. I'd rely on the wings to effectively take turns being the 7th defender in the rotation, and his pace and skills would be a point of difference.

It's probably a long shot though, so it'd just be split between Ollie, Walsh, and Acres.

And as I regularly say these days, Newman is still in that next tier of selections, and we're unlikely to have a fully fit best 22 at any given point in the year, especially in defence. Conversely, he's the oldest player on the list, will be 31 at the start of the season and he pushed his body a lot in the back half of this year.

But I'm also banking on a fast start in a new environment from one of Elijah and Billy, and Cuningham doing enough to warrant selection as a regular mid, to name but a few. It won't all pan out, and he'd probably be the next name on the board.
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How long are we going to keep waiting for him? Seriously? He's never, ever done enough to warrant regular selection in the best 22 in all the time he's been here since he was drafted, let alone as a midfielder. I mean he might be one of your favourite's, but be serious.
 
The Blue Weirdo said:
I floated the idea earlier this year, (which was not well supported) of trading someone like Durds or George/Kennedy.
Purely for them having some trade value and our coverage in their particular positions.
If someone can be replaced, then at least select the one with most trade value.
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I can see Kennedy as a viable trade option come the end of next season, I see JSOS as a viable trade option come the end of 2024. Think they're both depth options in 2024.
 
BrisbaneCFC said:
I can see Kennedy as a viable trade option come the end of next season, I see JSOS as a viable trade option come the end of 2024. Think they're both depth options in 2024.
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Yep, we can talk about depth and Premiership windows, but good players will move on for greater opportunities elsewhere if the coach doesn't include them in the best 22 in September.
That's life, and is probably healthy for the club.
 
Blue__Balls said:
Coona Blues Dunna Heartknee Kernafides

Don't mind if you disagree, but would you care to elaborate on what it is you disagree with?

That Durdin might leave for more opportunity if he can't cement a spot?
That Durdin has played 30-odd games in three years and not really done anything to increase his value since being drafted?
That he averages less than 10 touches and a goal a game?
That you can find players who offer similar output in the third round of most drafts?
That we should expect more than a third rounder for him?
That Adelaide or Port (likely suitors given his home state) would prefer to pay less th
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You may be right but i think we are quick to judge young guys like durds and Motts who are young and arguably playing one of the hardest positions on the ground...particularly as young kids. They both show talent and intent. I'd want to back them in a bit more
 

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skadoosh said:
Going back to Elijah Hollands and his 1 year contract, does anyone find it slightly questionable that we reduced the length of his contract based on his court case?

Obviously he has talent, pontential and we wanted to bring him over, but to reduce the contract length possibly seems unnecessary?
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Make him earn it and the respect of his team-mates
 
Kernafides said:
You may be right but i think we are quick to judge young guys like durds and Motts who are young and arguably playing one of the hardest positions on the ground...particularly as young kids. They both show talent and intent. I'd want to back them in a bit more
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Agree with this on Durdin and Motlop. A lot of them look like a flash in the pan without substance until it clicks for them and then it comes together very quickly.

It's never a guarantee to all come together but there are success stories every year. This year it was Bobby Hill (among others) who went from occasional flash in the pan, diamond in the rough, to game breaker when it counted most.

At the same stage I'd argue both Motlop and Durdin had shown as much. Might not happen but if it does it'll come quickly.

I'm not even concerned with the competition for spots. Just makes meritorious selection mean that much more.
 
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Re. the C Durdin discussions earlier :

IMO he’s a jet, definite keeper. Clean injury run and he’ll be ripping Oppo’s a new one round the goals and hopefully midfield aswell

High upside, has attributes to be very damaging the way he cracks in

(Btw, have had Oppo supporters comment exactly to this effect whilst watching him tackle and snag a goal against them)
 
Kemp becoming an AFL midfielder is a Carlton board pipe dream...

Kemp may need some work on his defensive craft.
However he's best suited to the interceptor/re-bounder role in defence, who can also pinch hit forward if needed...

As for Big Durds, why does everyone have him as delist every year?
It very rare for a KPP that can comfortably cover at AFL level. Who is just happy to be on an AFL list and play VFL until injury's...
 
TENACIOUS said:
As for Big Durds, why does everyone have him as delist every year?
It very rare for a KPP that can comfortably cover at AFL level. Who is just happy to be on an AFL list and play VFL until injury's...
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It's rare that teams will carry a bloke of his age who doesn't regularly get games in the senior team to survive on an AFL list.

Personally, I think he's one of the rare examples of someone that can and will. We have no KPD depth coming through, all three of our KPDs (Weiters, McGov, and Kemp) have some form of injury history and we're in our window. Unless we trade for a readymade he's safe and even then it's likely to be similar quality but more costly.
 
The forward line is interesting.

6 spots, generally two KPFs (Harry and Chuck), a 3rd and 4th tall/mid (Martin + E. Hollands/Cuners/Moir/JSOS) + 2 smalls.

Smalls, in no particular order:

1. Owies (averaged 1.5 goals a game in 2023, shown he can play, does a good job defensively)
2. Fantasia (a seasoned performer, in the 22 if fit)
3. Durdin - lots of discussion above, may well have a breakout season in 2024 if the injury gods are kind...
4. Mots - we know what Mots brings.
5. Fogarty - tough, hard at it, disciplined, but not a goal scorer.

Only spots for 2 of those 5, yet all 5 have legitimate claims. And even Moir can play small too (ditto Martin).

By mid year or so, injury gods being kind, our best forward 6 imo.

Will be:

HF. Martin McKay Moir
FF. Fantasia Curnow Mots


(but could be Owies, Fog or Durds in lieu of Mots)

With E. Hollands as the 7th forward/mid.

Tough to see a spot for the others - JSOS might get lucky if Pitto goes down....

Some tough decisions for the match committee!
 
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