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List Mgmt. 2024 List Management 📃
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- Jun 9, 2008
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Trophy engraver booked.
Fat lady already singing.
It's ours baby.
See you all on Lygon Street.
Moir likely to be a slow burn. Has immense talent.
And when he hits (with his body!) he hits as hard as anyone in the league. Just ask Harry Himmelberg, the 'smack' of the hit could be heard in the second level at Marvel. Plays every week..
Jack Martin....
Vossy would love him - hard as a cat's head. Can't find the footage, but his bone crunching tackle on the wing on Ed Langdon in the round 22 match against the Dee's was almost the highlight of the game for me - absolutely smashed him in a rugby league style tackle which p1ssed Langdon off completely, and tried to remonstrate with Martin when he finally managed to scrape himself off the turf.
This hit on Alex Pearce was a thing of beauty against a guy who's over 200cm and nearly 100 kilos.
As an aside, it's worth watching the entire highlights package to appreciate the talent of Jack Martin, and his value to the team.
And just as an edit to the above, we need to re-sign Martin during the year as a priority imo.
He becomes a delisted free agent the end of 2024, so can walk anywhere.
He becomes a delisted free agent the end of 2024, so can walk anywhere.
That talent is infectious players observe and replicate.As much as there skills allow but still it raises the mean the basics become a non negotiable as far as execution
Interesting what one off season can bring
Adding more dangerous forward half players, one of which in E Hollands can genuinely split his time through the middle, really addressed short-medium term needs. Wilson also adds much needed burst
I believe our list balance and quality is the best it has been for 2 decades
Get the sense with that with the Campo boys being added, we might look to add a KPD as well
Are we in desperate need, no, but after Weitering the current level of quality drops off somewhat in Durdin and Young, who don't have that much development left, but could become reliable role players if they find consistency
Lemmey could be used as a pinch and playing back at times could add confidence and versatility
So the numbers are adequate and but we may trade/release one of Durdin or Young if we do look at drafting a young KPD end of year
Apart from that, anyone we do acquire, I hope they are aggressive burst/runners, with high end foot skills
Adding more dangerous forward half players, one of which in E Hollands can genuinely split his time through the middle, really addressed short-medium term needs. Wilson also adds much needed burst
I believe our list balance and quality is the best it has been for 2 decades
Get the sense with that with the Campo boys being added, we might look to add a KPD as well
Are we in desperate need, no, but after Weitering the current level of quality drops off somewhat in Durdin and Young, who don't have that much development left, but could become reliable role players if they find consistency
Lemmey could be used as a pinch and playing back at times could add confidence and versatility
So the numbers are adequate and but we may trade/release one of Durdin or Young if we do look at drafting a young KPD end of year
Apart from that, anyone we do acquire, I hope they are aggressive burst/runners, with high end foot skills
- Apr 16, 2008
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With the projection of our younger players, the list imo is the best since 95.
Only pieces we need to really need to see step up is our small forwards. And we have an abundance so hopefully we see them really establish themselves in 2024.
E Hollands imo was a perfect trade in the off season. Think he will be something special.
I think we finally have the right balance in small forwards too
Xfactor - Fantasia, Motlop
Reliable/consistent - Owies, Fog
C Durdin that could play either role
And the enigma in Cuners who is a tweener
- Apr 7, 2006
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So much looking great but - glass half empty - we're probably missing 1 top level key defender and an elite ruckman. Our midfield is also very one paced which killed us on a few occasions last season.
Having said that our mid-sized defenders could cover for the lack of a CHB, TDK might take the next step and become an elite ruck and our midfield has serious upside. Keeping Walsh fit through preseason should be our number 1 priority. He's a potential '24 Browlow winner as is Cripps. Cotton wool!
- Apr 7, 2006
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Motlop went to another level in the last 2 month of the season. If he can do that for a whole season he'll have over 40 goals - 50 if he also plays finals.
Owies kicked 27 from 18 games - full season over 30.
Martin kicked 17 from 12 - full season over 30.
Durdin season wiped out by injury but still got a goal a game.
Fantasia - career best is 39 but in mostly rubbish teams. IF he can stay fit he's a huge bonus.
Cunningham / Elijah / SOS / Billy Wilson maybe - great rotating options.
The depth is significant in the small-mid forward pos which is just as well as none of them seem to stay fit for very long.
- Mar 25, 2019
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We still need 1-2 Mr Fix-It types imo. Hollands is a great addition if he comes on but if we had a mid who could push to half fwd or half back to add that to our mix I'd be very happy with where the list is at. Basically the last chink in our armor if the players we've drafted and traded for come good like we're expecting them to.
A prime Zac Touhy or Mitch Duncan type would be perfect for our list, ATM it's only Doc who has that level of flexibility on our list.
A prime Zac Touhy or Mitch Duncan type would be perfect for our list, ATM it's only Doc who has that level of flexibility on our list.
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I agree we do need multi positional players. SOS can play a bit of ruck and forward obviously but I think he could play in defense without a problem - could even be his best spot. Be an interesting year for Jack. Cotters went from half forward to wing a fair bit.
- Aug 10, 2019
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JuddgementDay
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I’m definitely wearing Blues goggles - when looking at our list, I can only see one area of weakness - Ruck
But, even there - TDK is coming into his prime and he’s ready to step up as our #1 ruck. If he just breaks even against other rucks then we will be cruising
As an opposition coach, who do you shutdown? Huge headaches await!
Defense - target Saad, Williams can stand up. Weitering, McGov can stand up
Mid - target Crippa, Walsh & Cerra can stand up
Fwd - target Charlie, McKay & our smalls can stand up
We have enough X factors & run to trouble any opponent. A nice change as other teams will learn to hate playing against us!
Bounce the ball already and bring home the 17th cup
But, even there - TDK is coming into his prime and he’s ready to step up as our #1 ruck. If he just breaks even against other rucks then we will be cruising
As an opposition coach, who do you shutdown? Huge headaches await!
Defense - target Saad, Williams can stand up. Weitering, McGov can stand up
Mid - target Crippa, Walsh & Cerra can stand up
Fwd - target Charlie, McKay & our smalls can stand up
We have enough X factors & run to trouble any opponent. A nice change as other teams will learn to hate playing against us!
Bounce the ball already and bring home the 17th cup
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BennyGFunk
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Don't rule him out.. Although I have him behind the pecking order, I can't believe how so many people wrote him off last year given how important he was in 2022. #ficklesupporters
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a single player?
luke livingston seagull
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Nah I'm not one to barrack against our players and I'm not ruling anyone out either. Would love to see him fight back and recapture his 2022 form. I'm saying that based on his output last year he is a long way from being in the senior 23. So yeah, naming him in our best team (already containing 3 other KPDs) ahead of Boyd, Cincotta, Kemp, Cowan, not to mention Kennedy, Silvagni, Durdin, Cuningham etc. etc. makes me question whether this guy watched much Carlton last year or knows what he's talking about.
BlueNath
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Interesting also that Josh Barnes also had L. Young listed on the bench:
B: A. Saad, J. Weitering, C. Marchbank
HB: S. Docherty, M. McGovern, N. Newman
C: B. Acres, P. Cripps, O. Hollands
HF: J. Martin, C. Curnow, M. Cottrell
F: J. Motlop, H. McKay, M. Owies
FOL: M. Pittonet, A. Cerra, S. Walsh
I: G. Hewett, L. Fogarty, T. De Koning, L. Young, Z. Williams (sub)
Surely Young only plays in a scenario where a forward line has 2-3 monster forwards? In which case, you'd name him on the ground. But even so, the run we got after dropping Young and going slightly smaller with more intercept type players with just Weiters as the big guy down back completely transformed our backline. So I still think our current setup needs to be maintained, even against teams with several tall forwards, and back ourselves on counter-attack. Unfortunately for Young, he may not get back into our side unless Weiters got (heaven forbid) an injury.
Also interesting selection to have Williams as the sub. Can he come on and have impact late? I dont mind it.
Who would you guys play instead of Young? Is Williams a good sub choice?
Given the fact he wrote that TDK "turned his back on free agency last season ", and has Matt Duffy listed as an 'in' for 2024, I think you've pretty much nailed it.
Elmer_Hauser
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I honestly think it's Brackets
But we needhim more down back these days, but I digress, Mitch is as a rare as hen's teeth these days, a key position player who is more than capable playing forwards or back.
I feel like his talents and importance to our team is somewhat underrated on this board, he has stepped up to the plate when Harry or Charlie have missed games in the last season or 2.
I bemoan the lack of utilities in today's game, we are so obsessed with training our junior KPP players to be athletes and dynamic pros at one end of the ground, eps attacking, and forgetting about the other (esp defensively)
In short, I honestly believe McGovern is a far more valuable asset and player to our team and club than many think.
JustOneTime
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I still see McGoven as a player who is conditional on physical effort when compared to others. He chooses when and when not to go. It is only personal opinion but i believe he is physical on his terms and when he has the advantage.
I don't see the same 'choice of physicality' in other players in our defence.
Having said that, I have him entrenched in our 22 and our backline due to his speed. He is along with Saad and Cincotta one of a few who can make up ground to catch someone going for goal.
His strengths seem to be 3. Intercept marking, chase down tackles, and the ability to implement attacking kicks out of defence. I feel these 3 are why he is in our team and rightly so.
His weaknesses IMO are 2. Goes missing a little bit in some games, and at times misjudges intercept timing and then is left behind the inside 50 kick from his intended target.
I don't see the same 'choice of physicality' in other players in our defence.
Having said that, I have him entrenched in our 22 and our backline due to his speed. He is along with Saad and Cincotta one of a few who can make up ground to catch someone going for goal.
His strengths seem to be 3. Intercept marking, chase down tackles, and the ability to implement attacking kicks out of defence. I feel these 3 are why he is in our team and rightly so.
His weaknesses IMO are 2. Goes missing a little bit in some games, and at times misjudges intercept timing and then is left behind the inside 50 kick from his intended target.
I know where you are coming from on this one. MM has been conditional for a long while. Selective when to “go” and very poor in his preparation across his “journey”.
His performances late last season were indicative of a player who has finally bought in to the team ethos. 2023 was a spectacular year for Carlton, aside from on field gains, we became a complete UNIT. The players are now mature mentally and focussed in team goals. Buy in has happened, and McGovern is no exception.
We are seeing greater commitment in preparation and consistency of effort on the park. Again, Gov has boarded that train, he had to. His inflated contract is over, and such is the competition for starting spots, nothing bar full buy in will be acceptable.
Fair to say, I am very much aboard the Kemp train and want him confident and consolidated in the very position McGovern holds, as opposed to the second tall defender spot he is being groomed for. The bottom line is, peak McGovern is irresistible for that spot. As long as Mitch McGovern “brings it” on the ground, on the track in the gym and at the meal table, he is a lock in the team.
There will always be a part of me who marks down the players who do not put in 100%(or realistically extremely close to it) all of the time, but it is the NOW that matters most. (Need I remind Thy if my comments re Chris Yarran back in the day?)
We appear to have a total buy in. The beauty is that in most positions, the internal competition will ensure complacency does not enter players’ psyche during the season. The next bloke(s) is training right beside them, ready and raring to go.
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