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[Coona Blues]

I can see Hollands moving into the midfield

Progressively over a few years. Ollie is a winger first for now. Thinking Binns will be introduced as practical. Can certainly enter the mix playing some HHF as well. Acres, Ollie (and others) can spend some time elsewhere to help facilitate this, but despite his promise, Binns may struggle for regular opportunity for a year or two yet.

We have the happy position of having “next generation” players like Cowan and Binns who can arguably command a spot, sitting behind some quality incumbents. Just hope we can satisfy them with enough game time going forward.

 

[Sector 7G]

Saad was worth 8 easily.

Especially when you look at what * took with their first round picks. 2 of them will need to pick up their game next season to stay on the list

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Have listened to the reasons on here as to why we have picked up Orazio but still don't understand them? 28 and similar stats to DC who is 2 years younger and averages roughly 2 games less a season. Hopefully Russell can get these guys right as we really need consistency in our forward half to take the pressure off Charlie and Harry, Martin showed the importance of a 3rd pressure target, finding our best mix of forwards next year hopefully wont take too long.

When did Cuners kick 40 odd in a season?

 

[btdg]

Have listened to the reasons on here as to why we have picked up Orazio but still don't understand them? 28 and similar stats to DC who is 2 years younger and averages roughly 2 games less a season. Hopefully Russell can get these guys right as we really need consistency in our forward half to take the pressure off Charlie and Harry, Martin showed the importance of a 3rd pressure target, finding our best mix of forwards next year hopefully wont take too long.

His stats aren't similar to Cuningham really. Fantasia averages 1.5 goals per game for his career, Cuningham about 0.5

More importantly, Fantasia has kicked 3 goals or more 21 times in 99 games. Cuningham has never done so in 55 matches.

With Curnow, McKay, Martin and even Owies (who kicked 27 goals for the year and at least one on every match except 2) provising consistency of output, it is a nice luxury to add a player who can play as a general HFF and support the midfield while also providing real scoreboard impact once every 5 games.

That is is he ever actually plays, of course. That is the gamble here - but obviously we think it is worth a punt rather than bothering with pick 70-odd in this draft

 

[marcmurphy3]

I don't think it will be that hard for Binns to get games. Acres has one wing sewn up, but we probably are 1 midfield or backline injury away from Docherty being switched elsewhere. Cottrell seems to be a defensive forward now and Binns could easily overtake him in any case. O.Hollands could get more on-ball time and could also easily be overtaken by Binns. If we drop the 2-ruck strategy, we likely play 3 wings. We only have 5 on our list (Acres, Doch, Hollands, Binns, Cottrell) and 2 of them often play other positions (Doch, Cottrell). Lots of possibilities.

 

[marcmurphy3]

If fit (a big if) Fantastia is a mile ahead of any forward on our list not named Curnow or McKay. Any suggestion otherwise is just the navy-blue glasses talking.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Especially when you look at what * took with their first round picks. 2 of them will need to pick up their game next season to stay on the list

I am still amused some people thought we paid overs for Cerra. He has been a boom recruit who most likely would have won our B and F last season if he didn't miss a patch of games through injury.

Some fans get a bit to fixated on draft picks and even more annoyingly, wanting to win trades/fleece other clubs.

Being good trading partners makes it easier for player managers to recommend their clients to join our club

 

[TerryWallet]

Is E Holland

1) An inside mid who can drift forward
2) A forward who can spend some time in the midfield
3) A HFF who can play both
4) Other
5) Not really sure yet, as long as it isn't on the wing

???

Asking for a friend...

Austin stated that we recruited EH to play as a forward who can take some minutes as a mid. Basically the roles that Cuners and Fog filled this year and only went moderately at best in.

That's his intended role for OUR TEAM. It's also happily the role that his actual game best suits. So a very clever aquisition.

 

[agro]

Austin stated that we recruited EH to play as a forward who can take some minutes as a mid. Basically the roles that Cuners and Fog filled this year and only went moderately at best in.

That's his intended role for OUR TEAM. It's also happily the role that his actual game best suits. So a very clever aquisition.

I’d like Cuningham to develop himself (be developed) to play higher up the ground - we really need his pace and skills through the midfield.

 

[Lace_Out]

Is E Holland

1) An inside mid who can drift forward
2) A forward who can spend some time in the midfield
3) A HFF who can play both
4) Other
5) Not really sure yet, as long as it isn't on the wing

???

Asking for a friend...

With his tank he's a mid 1st and everything else 2nd.

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[BigFrizz36]

I am still amused some people thought we paid overs for Cerra. He has been a boom recruit who most likely would have won our B and F last season if he didn't miss a patch of games through injury.

Some fans get a bit to fixated on draft picks and even more annoyingly, wanting to win trades/fleece other clubs.

Being good trading partners makes it easier for player managers to recommend their clients to join our club

Fully agree Elmer_Judd. I would even suggest that us dealing in good faith for Cerra probably helped us when we started looking at a way to get Acres across.

 

[GeorgieBoyBlue2]

It sounds like you didn't read through it thoroughly enough if your take is that is boils down to 2 things.



I don't see why we went after Williams at all for that money. I think it was a fundamental misreading of the list and where we were at, as well as what Zac was capable of. We thought he was going to be a gun mid at our footy club, based on one or two (albeit excellent) games at GWS when he played that role.

That didn't turn out to be the case did it? He was awful in that role for us and he's quite honestly been pretty average in general.



First of all, you are incorrect. Jack Carroll was taken at pick 41, which is a pick that we got via Geelong in a seperate deal. We bundled 48 in a deal with Sydney.

Secondly I wholeheartedly disagree that he was worth pick 8. Can you find me any HBF in history that was traded for such a high price, whilst being out of contract? What he's done since doesn't change that we overpaid at the time. Who knows who else we could have had on the list if we split 8, or what other future deals we could have gotten done.

We will never know, because Austin paid the highest price ever for a comparable player and folded to Dodoro.

I don't know what other teams needs or wants were precisely in that time because it was now 4 trade periods ago, but on paper GWS or Collingwood would appeal as trading buddies.

GWS have a long history of trading into early picks as well as a good trading relationship with us. They had 15 and 18 that year plus all their future selections.

Collingwood had 17, 19 and 30.

Freo had 14 and 27.

I think a better deal could have been struck with Essendon, even if it did include 8.

Seems like options applenty to me and I remember feeling exactly the same way at the time.



You'd have to ask Blake why he chose us. I assume part of his reasoning was our massive weakness at his best position.

I gave Austin a tick for that, but I won't pretend it was some mastermind, trade coup either.

If you paid attention last year he said after his last game for freo at the g against the pies was his best football experience despite losing as it was a 90,000+ crowd, just wished that support was for his team not the opposition hence he chose us for our large supporter base, length of contract as well as the list.

 

[GeorgieBoyBlue2]

Good get if fit…

Pretty obvious that our list manager doesn’t rate our smalls ability to kick goals. We just don’t have a quality small who can get off the chain, just a few pressure smalls who are serviceable…

Oritz, Martin, Hollands, Cunningham, Cotts/??? gives us a flexibility we didn’t have this year…

Durdin and Motlop give us more speed and evasiveness and they both kick goals. That's also a form of flexibility. Hollands is being rated on potential, has issues and could easily be a bust, done less than the others mentioned. Orazio is depth that's all.
Most important ability for an AFL footballer is....DURABILITY/AVAILABILITY.

 

[GeorgieBoyBlue2]

Orazio has shown significantly more than DC.

Orazio has kicked 20 or 20+ goals in 4 seasons

DC is yet to get anywhere near that output. The 2 questions are will DC ever & will Orazio ever do it again? Which is why the insurance of both probably isn’t a bad thing

The club is clearly about the now, the trade off is Orazio and the possibility over the next 2 years vs a late draft pick. It’s a list spot. I think for Carlton to win a flag in the next 2 years (which should be the aim just in a prelim) it’s clear which is a better option

Goals are not the be all and end all, just like disposals can be cheap so can goals, effort and team based sacrificial acts are much more important as they lead to disposals and goals.

 

[Jimmae]

Goals are not the be all and end all, just like disposals can be cheap so can goals, effort and team based sacrificial acts are much more important as they lead to disposals and goals.

And not blasting opportunities either side of a 6.4m goal mouth is also a skill that rewards that effort.

Teams that expend silly amounts of energy to score like the hey day of Ross Lyon are getting carved up now, especially late in the season and in finals. It's just not sustainable, and the wheels fell off our September cart as a result.

 

[ferrisb]

Austin stated that we recruited EH to play as a forward who can take some minutes as a mid.

That's his intended role for OUR TEAM. It's also happily the role that his actual game best suits. So a very clever aquisition.

I feel like we have recruited for needs so much better in the last 2-3 years...

 

[ferrisb]

To be fair... Before 2-3 years ago, our needs were.... EVERYTHING!

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Goals are not the be all and end all, just like disposals can be cheap so can goals, effort and team based sacrificial acts are much more important as they lead to disposals and goals.

All true. But the idea DC has had a similar career to OF is laughable.

 

[marcmurphy3]

Durdin and Motlop give us more speed and evasiveness and they both kick goals. That's also a form of flexibility. Hollands is being rated on potential, has issues and could easily be a bust, done less than the others mentioned. Orazio is depth that's all.
Most important ability for an AFL footballer is....DURABILITY/AVAILABILITY.

We didn't recruit an injury prone highly talented forward for depth. If we thought a fit Fantasia was going to be behind those guys, we wouldn't have gotten him. And we won't not play him after recruiting him if he is fit just because he hasn't historically been durable.

As far as Hollands I don't think he is competing for same role as the guys you mentioned. He's probably up against Fogarty, Cunningham, Cottrell (though I wouldn't mind seeing what Durdin could do in this role) as a high half forward or even Martin as that medium marking option.

 

[Crazyjoedevolamk11]

I’d like Cuningham to develop himself (be developed) to play higher up the ground - we really need his pace and skills through the midfield.

Great skills, but the bloke just needs to get a stack more of the pill.. plays like the invisible man

 

[TerryWallet]

I feel like we have recruited for needs so much better in the last 2-3 years...

Yeah, i agree. And as your latter post suggests, recruiting is in large part tied to circumstance and nuance. When you're down the bottom, recruiting is often mostly about who will agree to play for you, not who you want to play for you. Managers aren't the benevolent type. I don't think anyone would suggest Hawthorn coveted Chol, Massimo and Ginni this year. But it's all they could attract.

Now that we're on the up, and are more attractive and have less holes to fill, we can seem smarter like the higher clubs before us did.

It's making the hardest of decisions like LoGuidace did, that eventually lets employees do their jobs and look cleverer.

But yeah absolutely, i like the way Austin, Agresta and Brodie are going about it as a team. No ego's, just constructive teamwork.

 

[marcmurphy3]

Great skills, but the bloke just needs to get a stack more of the pill.. plays like the invisible man

Always been his issue and not sure it can be fixed at this stage. If there's one thing you rarely see players change at afl level its ability finding the pill. It just comes more naturally to some then others and Cunners has struggled with it even since his junior days. I don't think it is a strength or fitness issue. Its reading of the play and probably why we can never afford to play him as a mid.

I think the high half forward role we played him in this year is his go. Gives him the chance to get involved in the play up the ground but if he goes invisible it doesn't hurt us as much as it would if he was playing as a key mid so long as he can impact with his possessions.

Needs to improve if he is to keep this spot in the team though. This year he was a 10-15 possession, 0.5 goal a game type player. He should be aiming to be a 15-20 possession 1.0 goal a game player at least.

 

[agro]

Great skills, but the bloke just needs to get a stack more of the pill.. plays like the invisible man

That’s what I meant - he has all the tools bar the ability to find the pill on a more regular basis.

 

[The Flying Doormat]

I guess the fact that he looked Giants bound suggests it was a late swing of the bat by us. I do think we would have been keeping up to date with his manager and you'd consider our status to be 'having a sniff' for a couple of months, rather that declaring a full blown interest. Voss would have been watching his comeback from injury.

But first we had to have Port delist him so wouldn't have planned anything unless we were told that was happening.

I think it's just as noteworthy that we had a need and swept the rug out from under the Giants. We did well not to get into a bidding war for a high risk acquisition.

One thing this shows is that we are going in all guns blazing for a flag within 2 years.

Correct on all counts although the rug was more a welcome mat.
In the absence of any SA based offers, given his pending marriage, contacts in Melbourne and already owning property there, his preference was a for a spot on a Victorian based list (fiancee's father is a mad Blues fan too)

 

[TrueQldBlue]

DC: 53 games, 29 goals
OF: 99 games, 141 goals

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