List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[Grasshopper17]

Not sure. I remember players not nominating for ND but only for PSD. So may not need to go through open draft I think.

Just has the same whiff of the Hugh Greenwood situation a couple of years ago. You can imagine an opportunist like Clarko or even Hardwick jumping on either of them given half the chance.

 

[Perrip]

Just has the same whiff of the Hugh Greenwood situation a couple of years ago. You can imagine an opportunist like Clarko or even Hardwick jumping on either of them given half the chance.

Pretty sure they go through the rookie draft rather than the national draft. Like Froggy at the start of 2023.

 

[Nathan Barley]

McLachlan has an 18 month contract I think, the other two are just on 6 months.

My point is it can't be 4 out, 4 in. Has to be X in, X+3 out

 

[Perrip]

Looks like we can just fit that in.

Good summary. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if McKenna leaves at the end of this season.

 

[dlanod]

Pretty sure they go through the rookie draft rather than the national draft. Like Froggy at the start of 2023.

From memory Lester was already contracted and was being moved to the rookie draft for the second year of his contract.

 

[mpal6]

I genuinely hope we retain Jaxon. Have always thought he was a player and the past few weeks, to me, has shown he is certainly up to it. I'd even have him ahead of the likes of Brain and Answerth and well ahead of the likes of Madden, Michael.

Agree with all except Brain. Brain is starting to find his feet, I'd say he's already better than Prior or Answerth in terms of quick decision making under extreme pressure in D50. He has good awareness and knows when its his turn to go.

I'm excited about taking on Giants with Starcevich, Wilmot and Brain as our defensive smalls, alongside Zorko. Last time we played with Starcevich, Wilmot, Answerth and McKenna - GWS ran rings around us. Will be interesting to see how we go this time.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Agree with all except Brain. Brain is starting to find his feet, I'd say he's already better than Prior or Answerth in terms of quick decision making under extreme pressure in D50. He has good awareness and knows when its his turn to go.

I'm excited about taking on Giants with Starcevich, Wilmot and Brain as our defensive smalls, alongside Zorko. Last time we played with Starcevich, Wilmot, Answerth and McKenna - GWS ran rings around us. Will be interesting to see how we go this time.

I think Brain is really struggling defensively. Just not getting his positioning right. Either too far off his opponent or going for and not executing spoils and pack marks.

 

[knaf]

Agree with all except Brain. Brain is starting to find his feet, I'd say he's already better than Prior or Answerth in terms of quick decision making under extreme pressure in D50. He has good awareness and knows when its his turn to go.

I'm excited about taking on Giants with Starcevich, Wilmot and Brain as our defensive smalls, alongside Zorko. Last time we played with Starcevich, Wilmot, Answerth and McKenna - GWS ran rings around us. Will be interesting to see how we go this time.

Was going to attempt to say the same thing. You said it better. I like Prior but I think Brain is/will be much better in terms of reaction time and decision making. Prior plays like an undersized key position player. Great at VFL level, but at AFL, despite giving his all and being strong in the contest, gets found out because of the lack of inches.

Tough decision but I would let him go if another club came calling.

 

[mpal6]

I think Brain is really struggling defensively. Just not getting his positioning right. Either too far off his opponent or going for and not executing spoils and pack marks.

Yep at times he commits too far, true. but it's offset by his ability to go for a leap, spoil or mark. More importantly when he marks, stands up and looks around for that next quick kick - he rarely hesitates. He pulls the trigger faster than both Answerth and McKenna in my view.

This is the same thing Wilmot does too so we commence our rebounding well before opposition get their bearings together and block our exit. Wilmot does it better at this stage but Brain is definitely catching up.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Does that mean another club can draft them in the meantime?

The unwritten rule is that they don't, but clubs will break that rule for the right player, like Greenwood. EDIT: Greenwood was taken outside the draft as a delisted free agent, I think because he wasn't out of contract before getting delisted.

Just has the same whiff of the Hugh Greenwood situation a couple of years ago. You can imagine an opportunist like Clarko or even Hardwick jumping on either of them given half the chance.

Yes, but it requires the player actually wanting to move and being willing to relocate. Greenwood left because North offered him a three year deal and the Suns were too cap-strapped to match it. Is anyone going to offer Zorko or Lester a multi-year deal for big dollars?

Does Zorko want to go interstate at this point? Can't imagine his loathing of the Suns and Touk Miller has faded enough to want to join them.

I suppose it's possible Lester would want to go back to Melbourne at some point, but being married to Zorko's sister, a Queenslander, might be a mitigating factor.

Pretty sure they go through the rookie draft rather than the national draft. Like Froggy at the start of 2023.

Greenwood was supposed to be picked by Gold Coast in the national draft before North swiped him as a DFA.

 

[dlanod]

The unwritten rule is that they don't, but clubs will break that rule for the right player, like Greenwood. EDIT: Greenwood was taken outside the draft as a delisted free agent, I think because he wasn't out of contract before getting delisted.

These days you can do it as a DFA, no need to stuff around in the draft.

I remember Richmond approached us about taking Banfield in this situation, and we told them go ahead.

These days you can just offer a contract and try to poach them directly. Some players have also threatened to retire rather than uproot to another club if taken by other clubs in the draft.

 

[Dalions]

These days you can just offer a contract and try to poach them directly.

I am assuming this or similar, is what happened in both the Greenwood and Lyons situations.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

These days you can just offer a contract and try to poach them directly. Some players have also threatened to retire rather than uproot to another club if taken by other clubs in the draft.

Handy. And I just realised, both Zorko and Lester are UFAs at the end of the season. So they can already just walk if someone offers them a bigger deal. Delisting doesn't expose us to any extra risk really. Greenwood was different because he was in contract, so nobody could offer him a deal before the Suns delisted him.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Good summary. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if McKenna leaves at the end of this season.

It's probably a good thing for at least one of McKenna, Dev and Tunstill to go. If they all stay, and all my previous assumptions hold, then by my calculations we'll have at most 4 list spots available to be taken by 2024 mid-season and national draftees (excluding McLachlan who is under contract for 2025). Given we're certainly taking Levi and Marshall, that means we'd either have to dump one of Beecken or Craven after six months, or not draft anyone else from our academy (with Craven going into the national draft so that we can use the minimum three picks).

However, if we have an extra list spot available from an unexpected departure, then we can do both. Craven and Beecken stay, and we have room for a third youngster in the national draft.

 

[mpal6]

It's probably a good thing for at least one of McKenna, Dev and Tunstill to go. If they all stay, and all my previous assumptions hold, then by my calculations we'll have at most 4 list spots available to be taken by 2024 mid-season and national draftees (excluding McLachlan who is under contract for 2025). Given we're certainly taking Levi and Marshall, that means we'd either have to dump one of Beecken or Craven after six months, or not draft anyone else from our academy (with Craven going into the national draft so that we can use the minimum three picks).

However, if we have an extra list spot available from an unexpected departure, then we can do both. Craven and Beecken stay, and we have room for a third youngster in the national draft.

I'd love to take Billy Richardson as a 19 year old if he's starting to show signs.

We need that tall cover and Billy would be another good academy story in terms of talls after Andrews, Hipwood and Payne.

 

[dlanod]

I am assuming this or similar, is what happened in both the Greenwood and Lyons situations.

Greenwood yes.

Lyons no - the Suns were straight up delisting him and were going to pay out his contract.

 

[Berrygood]

It's probably a good thing for at least one of McKenna, Dev and Tunstill to go. If they all stay, and all my previous assumptions hold, then by my calculations we'll have at most 4 list spots available to be taken by 2024 mid-season and national draftees (excluding McLachlan who is under contract for 2025). Given we're certainly taking Levi and Marshall, that means we'd either have to dump one of Beecken or Craven after six months, or not draft anyone else from our academy (with Craven going into the national draft so that we can use the minimum three picks).

However, if we have an extra list spot available from an unexpected departure, then we can do both. Craven and Beecken stay, and we have room for a third youngster in the national draft.

Absolutely no problem delisting Craven and Beecken. Superfluous to needs. Don't need another hb or sm fwd. Didn't we list an ex giants player midseason that was coaching as well or did we leave a spot vacant?

Gotta have list spots for Kiddy, Doedee, McCarthy and Gardiner. And also apparently McLachlan. Plus a few draftees (Ashcroft, Marshall, Gillett and possibly Richardson). So it's a possible 8 or 9 spots needed.

Madden, Michael, Lane and Lyons are 4. Craven, Beecken and the Giants guy or the vacant spot are 3. That's 7. If we want to draft in Richardson I guess we need to delist or trade out a cpl more. If we, like usual, trade in a player that's another delisting or trade. I could happily trade out Tunstill, and Ryan if home n Hawthorn were calling. I fear Prior could also be under pressure as well. Dev I'd like to hold for one more year. Just for a bit of inside hard nut cover. But if he wanted out I wouldn't be heart broken if he did go.

One thing that is guaranteed is that whatever way the brains trust decide to go, we will be a stronger squad next year. Those injured lads coming back, the breakout rookies, a cpl of good to go draftees, and we're sitting pretty.

 

[Perrip]

Didn't we list an ex giants player midseason that was coaching as well or did we leave a spot vacant?

We asked the AFL for an excusal from the normal rule, play 3 VFL/associated league games after a player has 'retired' before they can be re-drafted in the MSD, for Daniel Lloyd [Development Coach] to play for us. But, the AFL refused to give him one as he had only played 2 VFL games, not the required 3.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Absolutely no problem delisting Craven and Beecken. Superfluous to needs. Don't need another hb or sm fwd.

You say that now, but who knows how strongly Linc and Kidd will come back (especially Linc) and who will get injured next season. And does the club have no problem delisting those two? Maybe, but they drafted them for a reason.

Didn't we list an ex giants player midseason that was coaching as well or did we leave a spot vacant?

No, we weren't allowed to draft Daniel Lloyd.

Gotta have list spots for Kiddy, Doedee, McCarthy and Gardiner.

But we already do. They're already on the roster.

And also apparently McLachlan. Plus a few draftees (Ashcroft, Marshall, Gillett and possibly Richardson). So it's a possible 8 or 9 spots needed.

I've accounted for all of that in my post on the previous page.

 

[Dalions]

You say that now, but who knows how strongly Linc and Kidd will come back (especially Linc) and who will get injured next season. And does the club have no problem delisting those two? Maybe, but they drafted them for a reason.

Heard on a podcast today that Kiddy went back in for a clean out of his knee recently which has set him back a little.

 

[Dalions]

I've recently wondered whether a guy like Harry Sharp may request a trade if a suitor came knocking. Seems stuck behind quite a few and players that aren't getting games at top clubs like we have been in recent years tend to be attractive for mid - bottom clubs although.

Have also heard he has had a bit of interest.

 

[BrisVegasDru]

Just has the same whiff of the Hugh Greenwood situation a couple of years ago. You can imagine an opportunist like Clarko or even Hardwick jumping on either of them given half the chance.

Can you imagine how Touk and Zorks would get along as team mates

 

[Dalions]

Im not sure how much a part it plays, but he seems to be very close to Kai and IIRC they were mates from back on Vic country days although I doubt you'd put friendship before jeopordising your career if you had a suitor who was say willing to give him 3 years given his current deal expires end of next year.

If he gets a decent offer, he should take it. Wouldn’t hold it against him.

A bit like Dev last year, had the offer, decided to stay but unfortunately for him it hasn’t really worked out as he has been pushed down the order a bit.

 

[Dalions]

Can you imagine how Touk and Zorks would get along as team mates

Best of mates, I am sure

 

[Nathan Barley]

I consider Sharp first reserve. I think if any of our midfield rotations were to get injured he'd be straight in. Could get his shot this year as Dev did last year