List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[lionshine]

Petracca possibly to request a trade to Carlton, Collingwood or Brisbane someone 'close to him' reported on SEN this morning..

Where did you see that? All the rumours I’ve seen have been Pies or Blues.

The thing is if he officially requested a trade there would be buy in from the club in agreement with his manager that they could get a trade done. I can’t see Pies or Lions committing to that with no assets to get a deal done. And I’d put the Blues in the same boat unless they were willing to trade out a McKay or Cerra for more collateral.

 

[lionshine]

Depends on if he gets there. If it doesn’t work out, wouldn’t mind him coming to us.

I’m a bit confused on the reason though, he’s from SA and is moving up here for family. Does Nobes and his family still live in QLD?



Will not happen if it’s us, even if it was legit, we simply do not have the capital. Only player he’d replace is Bailey or Rayner - neither of which I’ve give up for a guy who has 4 years max left in the game.

Noble’s twin brother lives up here apparently.

 

[Pacman82]

Where did you see that? All the rumours I’ve seen have been Pies or Blues.

The thing is if he officially requested a trade there would be buy in from the club in agreement with his manager that they could get a trade done. I can’t see Pies or Lions committing to that with no assets to get a deal done. And I’d put the Blues in the same boat unless they were willing to trade out a McKay or Cerra for more collateral.

Heard it first on Breakfast with Gary & Tim this morning.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

Petracca to Brisbane just doesn't fit lol. He's the most Victorian lad I've seen.

 

[lionshine]

Petracca to Brisbane just doesn't fit lol. He's the most Victorian lad I've seen.

Good mates with Neale, eager for a fresh start, loves Noosa, wants to go to a contender and compete for flags. A few reasons that would sway him if he was open to leaving Vic.

In saying that, zero chance he joins the Lions. I think he’d prefer to stay in Vic and even if he were open to a move, we cannot trade for him due to both salary cap constraints and having no assets that would convince the Demons to part ways with him.

 

[Squizz89]

“Brand Petracca” wouldn’t really work in a RL dominated state I wouldn’t have thought.

 

[M Malice]

I don't think there is but is there a player that others think if offered as part of a trade for Petracca who would spark a bit of discussion/interest from the Demons?

The unlikely to happen proviso is that the Lions player was open to the move, would never force anyone out.

Petracca to the Lions?

 

[Squizz89]

I don't think there is but is there a player that others think if offered as part of a trade for Petracca who would spark a bit of discussion/interest from the Demons?

The unlikely to happen proviso is that the Lions player was open to the move, would never force anyone out.

Petracca to the Lions?
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Rayner or Bailey probably would.

Cam doesn’t strike me as a guy who will ever leave, although he’s a pre agent this year so I guess the club would have a better idea as to if he has any thoughts on returning home.

Bailey has been well down on form this year, but probably still spikes the interest of teams given his history and what he could become.

Wouldn’t be surprised if they asked about Motty and/or Logan either but again I think the club would be reluctant on either of those two unless they were unanimous in wanting out themselves too.

Basically there would be players that other clubs would have interest in for big trades like that, but as you say they’d have to want to move themselves.

The thing that would stop us even being able to have a discussion is our geography. No way would Petracca want to play in Brisbane.

 

[M Malice]

Rayner or Bailey probably would.

Cam doesn’t strike me as a guy who will ever leave, although he’s a pre agent this year so I guess the club would have a better idea as to if he has any thoughts on returning home.

Bailey has been well down on form this year, but probably still spikes the interest of teams given his history and what he could become.

Wouldn’t be surprised if they asked about Motty and/or Logan either but again I think the club would be reluctant on either of those two unless they were unanimous in wanting out themselves too.

Basically there would be players that other clubs would have interest in for big trades like that, but as you say they’d have to want to move themselves.

The thing that would stop us even being able to have a discussion is our geography. No way would Petracca want to play in Brisbane.

I know only turning 29 early next year but his age and his horrific injury would have me ultra cautious about us even being interested.

 

[Sproj]

Our team is already so close to winning the flag, is Petracca going to solve our two way running and goal kicking accuracy issues? We are getting LAshcroft and Marshall already, is he worth us potentially causing disharmony in the playing group by asking some of them if they want to leave given potentially, our next premiership side is already at the club?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Hipwood has been pretty good with the easy ones this year IIRC. Better than Joe, Charlie and Rayner I think

Let's test that using shot charts for 2024 from the excellent Wheelo Ratings.

Eric Hipwood


Hippy has been excellent kicking for goal in the corridor (23 goals from 33 shots, 70%) and abysmal from the pockets (7 from 27, 26%). He has butchered a few in the corridor from 30-40m out, but still fairly accurate provided he's relatively straight on.

Joe Daniher


Joe has been a good kick from within about 25m in the corridor, and then just falls off a cliff after that. He's still been more accurate from the corridor (27 from 56, 48%) than the pockets (23 from 56, 41%) but he's been far better from the pockets than everyone else in the top 5 for shots at goal.

Charlie Cameron


Charlie's not having the best year by his standards. He's screwed up a lot of shots in the corridor (kicked 22 from 42, 52%). Yes he's been good within 20m but any good forward drills those. He's been better from the left flank (9 from 18, 50%) than from the right (5 from 18, 28%) but it's very rocks and diamonds, 6 of the 18 from the left flank don't score.

Kai Lohmann


Kai has been pretty good in the corridor (18 from 28, 64%), but he has this one patch 30m out directly in front where he's kicked 0.5. Needs practice from that spot. Similarly poor from the pockets as Hippy (9 from 31, 29%).

Cam Rayner


Cam's done alright in the corridor (18 from 30, 60%). A few screw ups around 30m, but decent for someone who isn't a full-time forward. He's more accurate from the pockets than Hippy or Kai (7 from 19, 37%), and there's one spot 40m out on the left flank where he's been quite good, though the sample size is small. It also isn't replicated in past years so maybe it's just a fluke.

How have they done in the past?

Since Kai didn't play many games before this year, I've substituted him with Linc McCarthy and Zac Bailey. From 2021-23,

Corridor
Hippy: 53 from 85 (62%)
Joe: 86 from 147 (59%)
Charlie: 111 from 150 (74%)
Zac: 68 from 112 (61%)
Linc: 63 from 89 (71%)
Cam: 30 from 59 (51%)

Pockets
Hippy: 39 from 98 (40%)
Joe: 60 from 138 (43%)
Charlie: 57 from 145 (39%)
Zac: 29 from 65 (45%)
Linc: 36 from 73 (49%)
Cam: 17 from 48 (25%)

Conclusion
Yes, Hipwood is indeed not the main culprit for poor kicking from in front. He's outperforming his three year average from the corridor, though he's doing much worse from the pockets. Rayner is also having a decent year in front of goal by his standards.

The problem is Joe hasn't been converting from 25m+ (and takes too many dumb shots in general), Charlie's had an underwhelming season and we're missing Linc's accuracy.



So how do we improve? Maybe we need to instruct Hipwood not to leave the corridor and Joe to stop taking so many long shots for goal. And get Kai to practice from that one spot.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I would hate to see him at either Collingwood or Carlton. But I don't see how we could get him here.

Tempting as Petracca is, we'd probably have to give up someone like Lohmann to make it happen. And that would be sad.

 

[irish]

Won’t happen ! Nothing to offer the demons at all and doubt he favours us after Melbourne teams pies and blues who will be in same boat as us. Who knows if the poor bugger will be the same player after such a horrific accident , dusty is a classic example

Stick with the new kids on the way

 

[mpal6]

Petracca to Brisbane just doesn't fit lol. He's the most Victorian lad I've seen.

yeah, he isn't leaving Melbourne city or moving away from family.

 

[lionshine]

I know a few posters are just throwing his name out there as a player the Demons would be interested in and not stating they would actually trade him but there is no chance in hell I’d trade Wilmot for Petracca.

Wilmot is going to be an absolute star.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Does Nobes and his family still live in QLD?

Nobes still at Dick Johnson Racing who operate out of Yatala. My memory had him living at Tamborine, so yeah, closer to Carrara, but not so far away from Springfield.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

I know a few posters are just throwing his name out there as a player the Demons would be interested in and not stating they would actually trade him but there is no chance in hell I’d trade Wilmot for Petracca.

Wilmot is going to be an absolute star.

Are any players of any standing going to want to go to Melbourne if a player like Petracca wants out?

 

[lionshine]

Are any players of any standing going to want to go to Melbourne if a player like Petracca wants out?

I’d be surprised if so. Would have to be one of the least attractive propositions for opposition players to join atm.

 

[rye]

we should agree to take oliver + melbourne's first in a salary dump so that they can keep petracca happy. melbourne pay 550-600k of olivers deal for its duration.

i view it as a slight loss for us still but theres room for upside if we can put oliver on a diet.

 

[mpal6]

Are any players of any standing going to want to go to Melbourne if a player like Petracca wants out?

Taranto and Hopper might consider it. They totally got wrongfooted by Dimma - oh look at us the mighty tigers we are going for the next premiership !! join us on the big bucks multi-year deal !! nek minnit I'm outta here burnout sorry boys...

Oh hang on I'm ready/recharged to go again after a 6 month break. Got ya suckers !

 

[jfn]

This is a bit of a left field idea, and I don't expect most people to agree. If the following are all true:

1. We can't count on Payne to stay fit
2. Finding another good mature KPD is difficult
3. Our biggest hindrance right now is poor goalkicking

Then, could we be better off sending Hipwood to defence full-time and signing a player who is a very accurate kick for goal? I'm aware Gardiner will return and be able to cover for Payne, but I don't know if he's a premiership quality KPD, especially coming back from an ACL. And we really, really need someone who won't miss easy goals from 20m out, directly in front. It's killing us.

As to who is a very accurate kick, there have already been whispers that we're into Darcy Fogarty (OOC 2025), who has kicked 41.16 this year. A cheaper option would be Tim Membrey (UFA 2024), who has kicked 28.9 this season. Or if we're willing to take a flier on someone in the VFL (should the list spots be available), Liam McMahon from Carlton's VFL team is 198cm, 22 years old and has kicked 43.13 this season (including 7.0 against Geelong last week).

For comparison, Joe has kicked 49.42, Charlie 34.25, Hipwood 29.19, Rayner 25.17 and Kai 24.23 so far this year.

Would Jack Lukosius be worth considering? He been encourage to look around by Gold Coast. High draft pick in his year, 24 years old, 195 cm, genuine swing man that Brisbane doesn’t really have, and good recent history of accurate goal kicking. Although he is from S.A., I bet he owns a house in QLD, and would have built some sort of lifestyle on the coast.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Would Jack Lukosius be worth considering? He been encourage to look around by Gold Coast. High draft pick in his year, 24 years old, 195 cm, genuine swing man that Brisbane doesn’t really have, and good recent history of accurate goal kicking. Although he is from S.A., I bet he owns a house in QLD, and would have built some sort of lifestyle on the coast.

How many talls can we have in the one forward line? There's already Joe, Hippy and Morris. My earlier post was based on the idea of Hippy being moved out of the forward line. I've realised by looking at stats that Hippy isn't really the problem in the end, Joe and Charlie are, but they're not going anywhere.

I'd also say Luko is a better field kick than he is kicking for goal. I feel like his ideal position is as a winger delivering inside 50. But according to the Suns board, he doesn't want to play that position, he wants to be a KPF.

 

[Viceregal]

Out Tired old Demons and all their baggage - In Shiny new Devils with a clean slate.

Keeps the infernal balance right

 

[KissKiss]

I’d be surprised if so. Would have to be one of the least attractive propositions for opposition players to join atm.

There might be a few interstate players who are desperate to get to a Melbourne club. But at the moment it would be a really tough sell over any other option

 

[Gadzorks]

I would hate to see him at either Collingwood or Carlton. But I don't see how we could get him here.

I read his interview about his injury that included broken ribs, ruptured spleen and punctured lung. Apparently his wife was called at 3am or something saying he may not make it.

It was a massive shock and he is re-evaluating his life. And there was subsequent fallout with his club and teammates.

Will move if it can get done, but not get out at any cost.

Don't want to lose what it would take. .