List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

Prediction- Who is delisted this year(not retirements).

  • Berry

  • McCluggage

  • Lyons

  • McCarthy

  • Answerth

  • Lane

  • Prior

  • Madden

  • Lester

  • Joyce

  • Zorko

  • Michael

  • Brain

  • Reville


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Rayner only has 9 plus 20 disposal games out of 116 AFL appearances. I feel for the young bloke, at no stage has he been afforded the opportunity to run around in the 2s and get 30 plus for a month, grab some monster marks and build his decision making/confidence. From day dot he was thrown in the deep end and not provided the opportunity to develop. He is not an idiot, he knows his output is nowhere near good enough, then he gets rewarded with fat contracts and a spot on the 9 man leadership team. * me! I bet he ends up somewhere else, wins a flag and then writes in his memoirs how the Lions were too soft on him and afforded him too many opportunities. There will be a tough love period at his next club, and he will then thrive or become a suburban goal kicking legend.
100% correct in every regard. The worst thing is that when it gets too tough at Brisbane, Cam’s management will announce he is requesting a trade to a Victorian club. Bookmark this post.
 
I think there is no reason the club can't get a good or very good player from the VFL that fits our needs.
You would think a player would be up for a move interstate to get a go at AFL.
Just not a project player like Kalin Lane in 2021.
Need someone to fit into the current makeup of our side now.

SCOREBOARD​

SANFL 1.1 5.2 8.4 10.5 (65)
VFL 3.2 5.4 5.5 7.9 (51)

BEST – SANFL: McLennan, Grant, Hosie, Proud, Wigg, Callow, Voss
VFL: Brown, Woodcock, Brew, Long
GOALS – SANFL: Hosie 4, McBean 2, Allen, Callow, Lowe, Reynolds
VFL: Long 2, Bianco, Crossley, Dixon, Smith, Woodcock

I always liked the look of Jez McLennan before he went to GC (assuming its the same guy). No idea why he didnt work out there
 

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Shouldn’t expect anything from the mid-season draft but I wonder if we could target a professional sub.

Looks like more teams are using older, past their prime midfielders tactically as the sub to give their teams a boost.

Lyons worked ok at times last year but isn’t very damaging

I'd love to get a wingman from the mid-season draft. Someone who has running power and decent kicking skills.

I'm still bullish on moving Fletcher back to defense to do Coleman's rebound/playmaker role. For that to happen we need a proper mature winger who can take over from him.
 
I'd love to get a wingman from the mid-season draft. Someone who has running power and decent kicking skills.

I'm still bullish on moving Fletcher back to defense to do Coleman's rebound/playmaker role. For that to happen we need a proper mature winger who can take over from him.
Trent Bianco might be the right one, he's a good kick. Four years at Collingwood, now plays for Bulldogs VFL. Frank Szekely also did well in the VFL vs SANFL match. Hasn't been in an AFL system yet, but he's a couple of years older than Bianco. Szekely seems to be better known for his speed than his kicking.
 


I know highlights reels don't tell us the whole story, only the good parts, but Szekely really has some wheels on him and makes a lot of second efforts. Good signs.

That is one of the best highlight packages I have seen, amazing pace, X factor and overlap run, bloody good calm kick as well.

I googled him and he's 24 years old, I wonder what the knock on him is that he hasn't been able to get on an AFL list.

Send that video to our recruitment staff for mid season draft consideration JB.
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This is is rookie me central profile from around a year ago >

A mature-age candidate out of the SANFL, Frank Szekely will be hoping his body of work at state league level prizes him a chance at the top level as a 23-year-old. Szekely impressed in his fourth year with the Roosters, stringing together a career-high 19 games in South Australia's top flight to put his name forward. He helped the Roosters to a grand final appearance, and also fared well in an exhibition match for the newly-formed Fitzroy Cubs against Carlton VFL, showcasing his speed and smarts as a small forward.

A factor which has set Szekely apart in 2022 has been his proven versatility. He cut his teeth mostly as a small forward, but began to utilise his sharp decision making and pace off both half-back and the wing this season. Capable of adjusting his game to roles at either end of the ground, his array of AFL traits have been displayed in different ways for recruiters to consider.

With clubs valuing running defenders who can stream forward and hurt the opposition, Szekely may fit that bill, with the remaining secondary value of his forward craft. He was a top performer at South Australia's draft combine too, finishing in the top five for the 2km time trial and standing vertical jump.
 
That is one of the best highlight packages I have seen, amazing pace, X factor and overlap run, bloody good calm kick as well.

I googled him and he's 24 years old, I wonder what the knock on him is that he hasn't been able to get on an AFL list.
Good question. I didn't watch the state game but the recap on the AFL website says Szekely and another player caught the eye at different stages. So perhaps consistency is what holds him back. But his SANFL stats don't look super inconsistent either. Last year he had 6 games of 20+ possessions and 5+ tackles.


One thing I also noticed when searching BF, is that Geelong were rumoured to want him in the 2022 end of season draft, but ultimately didn't take him.
 
Good question. I didn't watch the state game but the recap on the AFL website says Szekely and another player caught the eye at different stages. So perhaps consistency is what holds him back. But his SANFL stats don't look super inconsistent either. Last year he had 6 games of 20+ possessions and 5+ tackles.


One thing I also noticed when searching BF, is that Geelong were rumoured to want him in the 2022 end of season draft, but ultimately didn't take him.
Just looking at the vision without any background re prior history or the things he can't do well he looks a very good prospect and ready to go at his age.

Some players do slip through the cracks.
 


I know highlights reels don't tell us the whole story, only the good parts, but Szekely really has some wheels on him and makes a lot of second efforts. Good signs.


Awesome. He's exactly what we need. He would actually suit both wing and rebounding off half back. Looks a bit Saad like.

He's a natural in terms of taking it for a few bounces and dashing away. That's what he's known, learnt and executed again and again in the lower levels so he'll blindly do it when we bring him into our team. I hope we get him.
 
Awesome. He's exactly what we need. He would actually suit both wing and rebounding off half back. Looks a bit Saad like.

He's a natural in terms of taking it for a few bounces and dashing away. That's what he's known, learnt and executed again and again in the lower levels so he'll blindly do it when we bring him into our team. I hope we get him.

We’ll pick another ruck and Geelong will pick this guy. He’ll then go on to win 5 all Australians. It is foretold.
 

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Is he at Free Agency at the end of his contract!
If he gets decent offers elsewhere, I can see us not matching if he doesn’t lift his output. Similar to the McStay lowball offer we put to him.
I can understand him being a bit down at the moment with some personal stuff going on.
He is in the leadership group and his spot is the safest in the team. He won't be going anywhere unless we force him out.
 

LIONS FORWARD YET TO KICK OFF TALKS

BRISBANE goalsneak Lincoln McCarthy is expected to get into contract talks later in the season as he comes to the end of his deal at the Lions.

McCarthy is out of contract at the end of this season after signing a three-year extension during 2021.

He has been a terrific pick-up for the Lions after an injury-hit career at Geelong, with the high-flying small forward playing 118 games for the club since joining at the end of 2018.

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The 30-year-old has kicked six goals from four games so far this season and will likely leave his contract until later into the campaign, however he is keen to play on at the club.

His injury battles from 2012-18 at the Cats saw him play just 29 AFL games in that period but with his 150th appearance just three games away, McCarthy will be keen to extend. – Callum Twomey

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1105460
 
Stage set for McCluggage to prove he’s worth a monster contract

Brisbane legend Simon Black believes the club would be silly to let money get in the way of locking down off-contract star Hugh McCluggage and risk losing a player “critical to the Lions’ future”.

McCluggage, 26, is in the final year of his current contract and looms as the biggest name in free agency alongside Western Bulldogs ruckman Tim English.

It is believed the midfielder could command upwards of $1m per-season on his next deal, with a slew of cashed-up clubs ready to contend for the in-his-prime Victorian should the Lions baulk at that figure.

“You’ve got to draw a line at some point, but I think if they (the Lions) can offer somewhere near his value I’d be surprised if he left for say an extra $100,000,” Black told this masthead.

“It seems like he’s a real fabric of the club type of player. If he’s offered fair value then I would be surprised if he left.

“It’s really important the club secures him long-term and keeps him on-board because he’s reaching the peak of his powers for the next half-dozen years.

“It’s critical for the Lions’ future that they retain him.”

In February McCluggage reiterated his desire to become a Lion for life, telling this masthead: “I definitely want it to happen but it’s definitely a business so you have to make sure you do your due diligence and get the best possible result for both the club and yourself.”

With the salary cap set to soar to $17.7m next season – an increase of almost $2m on 2024 – Brisbane should have the money to make a long-term deal happen.

But if the club is ready to make McCluggage a million dollar man, then Black believes he has to be put to use where he can hurt opposition the most – in the middle.

“I like him when he’s inside on-ball, I think that’s where he’s of most use and that’s where I think he’s produced the most for the Lions, so I want to see him on-ball as much as possible,” Black said.

McCluggage made a name for himself as a smooth-moving wingman in his early years at the Lions, before earning more minutes as an inside midfielder in 2022.

From Round 5 onwards that season he attended 58.5 per cent of centre bounces – up from 24 per cent the previous year.

But in 2023 he split midfield duties with boom father-son recruit Will Ashcroft, who hit the ground running with one of the best starts to an AFL career in recent memory.

To allow pure midfielder Ashcroft more time in the middle, McCluggage was deployed on the wing or at half-forward for much of the season.

It wasn’t until Ashcroft went down with an ACL injury in Round 19 against Geelong that McCluggage found himself a regular at centre bounces once again.

He averaged 23 disposals and a goal over his final 10 games and was arguably Brisbane’s best player in the grand final defeat to Collingwood.

“For me personally I’d be orchestrating as much as I could to play him big minutes as an on-baller because I think that’s his best spot,” Black said.

“I think out on the wing he can’t get involved in the play regularly enough … it’s a waste if you put him at half-forward for long periods.

“It can be a challenge when you’ve got Lachie Neale and Josh Dunkley who will both play big inside minutes … so it’s really just the third spot there that is up for grabs.

“I appreciate you have to give grabs to (Zac) Bailey, (Cam) Rayner and others that go through the middle but for mine McCluggage is the class. What he gives you as an inside mid is superior to the others.”

The early indication is that Chris Fagan agrees with Black’s assessment.

Brisbane’s coach has already upped McCluggage’s midfield minutes this season – perhaps an early sign the club plans to get its money’s worth out of the would-be million-dollar midfielder.

Over the past three games he has attended 64 per cent of centre bounces. Last season he topped that figure only twice.

McCluggage amassed a career-high 36 disposals and 10 inside 50s in Brisbane’s 70-point thumping of North Melbourne on Friday, helping end the reigning grand finalists’ three-game losing skid to open the season.

With a looming Thursday night blockbuster against Melbourne at the MCG, an in-form McCluggage will be vital to the Lions knocking off the Demons.

In Christian Petracca and Clayton Oliver, Melbourne has proven you can fit two players on seven-figure salaries in the same midfield and still enjoy team success.

It’s a blueprint the Lions would hope to emulate with Neale and McCluggage in their quest to claim the premiership that has eluded them for two decades.

An underrated trait that has helped make Neale one the game’s modern superstars has been his health.

Aside from 2021, when he missed seven games through injury and illness, the dual Brownlow Medallist has been an almost plug-and-play starter each week since he became an AFL regular in 2014.

It’s a trait shared by McCluggage, who incredibly has missed just three games since the start of 2018.

Last season he became the first player from the 2016 draft to reach 150 AFL games.

Your best ability is availability, and the boy from Warrnambool has it in spades.

In the past two weeks McCluggage has averaged 32 disposals and 6.5 clearances.

A similar showing against the Demons would go a long way towards getting the Lions over the line – and proving to the club he is worth the long-term financial investment.

Above article is from Lions Facebook Supporter page that was taken from the Herald Sun.
 
I’d like be to know what his 20 metre sprint was, didn’t question his endurance

Thanks to Sphynx, details below

George Stevens 20m - 3.098. Pretty good while weighing 100kg.

Name
DOTClubDOBPositionAgeHeightMassArmHandReachAbsVJAbsRunVJ_RAbsRunVJ_LVJRunVJ_RRunVJ_L5m_110m_120m_15m_210m_220m_25m_310m_320m_35m10m20mAgil_1Agil_2Agil_3Agil2Kmin2Ksec2K
Morris, Logan06-Oct-23Western Jets5/10/2005Tall Forward18.0191.490.090.523.82523183373286685761.1581.8913.1241.2001.8793.1011.2291.9723.1551.1581.8793.1018.84509.07108.93908.8450637397
Stevens, George06-Oct-23GWV Rebels14/4/2005Medium Midfielder18.5189100.889.522.12463073203166174701.1091.8403.0981.1471.8773.1351.1871.9153.1741.1091.8403.0988.62108.75208.77108.6210637397
 
Never been a huge fan of his but could Caleb Daniel be useful for us. Runs hard and is a neat 30m kick
 

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