List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[Tom14]

Yeah I think a few in here and especially in the media are underestimating just how important Joe was to us.

Would any of the options raised internally or externally have been able to take that mark on Taylor to win the game for us? It would be unfair to expect that, but it’s highlighting the type of match winner we’re looking at replacing here.

Throwing a ruckman forward hoping for the best or hoping a 2nd year under size key forward can perform miracles, could open us up to disaster imo.

That’s not even taking into consideration any injuries, which are par for the course and will hit at some stage.

Club will have a plan though.

I agree with all of this but I don't think we have a realistic chance of getting an external replacement close to Joe this season. So we've got to recalibrate how we play more so than that.

 

[Nunez]

I don’t want to put any expectations on Morris.

He’s a young third tall, in a team that just lost it’s spearhead KPF.

Teams are going to put extra work in to nullifying Hipwood and Morris, as that will also take away our ability to bring the ball to ground and bring our small forwards in to the game.

I do agree, however you're forgetting that Morris plays 4D chess and eats KPD for breakfast.

 

[T Rick]

I wonder what a realistic expectation for Logan Morris second season will be. He'd have 30+ if he played all games this year, but think he can push 40 with a strong pre season. For me, his natural ability will get him far and it's all about getting his strength up to a point the bigger bodied defenders can't completely blanket him.

I suspect Logan will find it a lot harder without Joe taking the #1 defender and Joe covering so much territory dragging defenders all over the place.

 

[Maverick]

Fish has written on AFL page options regarding our options post Joe.

Not your average Joe: How Lions could replace retired star

Michael Whiting assesses how the Lions could fill the huge hole left by Joe Daniher

www.afl.com.au

 

[Section 5]

Morris needs another year as the 3rd tall otherwise he is unlikely to average 1.3 games like in his debut year.
Hopefully 5 on the bench next year that way Henry Smith gets a good run of games in 2025. Ruck and forward relief.
Much prefer him over Fort as he is more versatile.
Lions players considered for that KPF position: Gardiner & Doedee when available and Joyce.
Another young player but risky is Luke Lloyd 193cm/84kg. Started forward then defense then wing at VFL level.

I have no idea what the club has in mind trade wise so will just look at the players available without costing us a draft pick.
They are at the moment Tim Membrey

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Tim Membrey

Age

30

Ht

188cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

8.1

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.5

3star

G

1.8

5star

D

9.4

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.3

2star

G

1.5

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

4.8

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

0.6

3star

, Sam Day

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Sam Day

Age

32

Ht

196cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

4.6

3star

M

3.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

3.6

1star

HB

4.4

3star

M

1.9

2star

T

1.5

2star

G

0.9

4star

D

8.6

3star

K

3.2

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.8

3star

G

0.2

3star

, Levi Casboult

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Levi Casboult

Age

34

Ht

199cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

6.5

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

1.7

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

10.1

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.3

2star

G

1.3

5star

D

9.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

5.2

5star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.4

5star

and Matt Taberner
Offer a 2-year deal for the 2 interstate players and just one for the two Suns players.
Membery would be my choice without knowing his character etc.

Player/Club	Age	Games	Height cm	Weight kg	AFL Games 2024	Goals/Average	Behind	Last AFL Game
Membrey (Saints)	30.4	179	188	92	19	30 (1.6)	9	R24
Taberner (Dockers)	31.3	125	198	97	5	6 (1.2)	2	R22
Day (Suns)	32.0	155	196	106	5	10 (2.0)	4	R17
Casboult (Suns)	34.6	198	199	104	3	0 (0)	1	R2

 

[knaf]

Fish has written on AFL page options regarding our options post Joe.

Not your average Joe: How Lions could replace retired star

Michael Whiting assesses how the Lions could fill the huge hole left by Joe Daniher

www.afl.com.au

Pretty sensible analysis. Sums up 20 pages of this tread.

 

[BrisVegasDru]

Morris needs another year as the 3rd tall otherwise he is unlikely to average 1.3 games like in his debut year.
Hopefully 5 on the bench next year that way Henry Smith gets a good run of games in 2025. Ruck and forward relief.
Much prefer him over Fort as he is more versatile.
Lions players considered for that KPF position: Gardiner & Doedee when available and Joyce.
Another young player but risky is Luke Lloyd 193cm/84kg. Started forward then defense then wing at VFL level.

I have no idea what the club has in mind trade wise so will just look at the players available without costing us a draft pick.
They are at the moment Tim Membrey, Sam Day, Levi Casboult and Matt Taberner
Offer a 2-year deal for the 2 interstate players and just one for the two Suns players.
Membery would be my choice without knowing his character etc.

Player/Club	Age	Games	Height cm	Weight kg	AFL Games 2024	Goals/Average	Behind	Last AFL Game
Membrey (Saints)	30.4	179	188	92	19	30 (1.6)	9	R24
Taberner (Dockers)	31.3	125	198	97	5	6 (1.2)	2	R22
Day (Suns)	32.0	155	196	106	5	10 (2.0)	4	R17
Casboult (Suns)	34.6	198	199	104	3	0 (0)	1	R2

The dockers fans say Taberners back is shot, Membrey probably wont leave Melbourne do you recall him being a very late withdrawal from a Saints finals side 2 years ago?, was all hush hush but something akin to anxiety issues.

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

We’ve gotta be prepared to see Morris regress next year. Particularly if he’s getting better defenders. Henry Smith looks a likely type so I can see him doing a job and getting better as the year progresses. If he can clink marks he will kick 30+ goals in the year if he plays 20 games.

Protecting Morris development has to be factored in with potential changes to the forward line. Going in with Hipwood/Logan as our keys still doesn’t solve the 2nd ruck issue either.

While it won’t matter as much against the lower teams, versing a GWS they’ll likely be going against Taylor and Buckley, which is far from ideal. It may give other teams the ability to play a key player a bite loose as well.

I’m unsure if Henry is the answer, but I’m all for filling Joes void with that type of player.

 

[Section 5]

The dockers fans say Taberners back is shot, Membrey probably wont leave Melbourne do you recall him being a very late withdrawal from a Saints finals side 2 years ago?, was all hush hush but something akin to anxiety issues.

Membery may think Fagan would be the type of coach that may help his issues should they still exist.
Getting away from the Saints and Ross Lyon may be a blessing for some players
That issue you mentioned was 2 years ago though, hopefully he got help in this area of mental health.

The list is short, apart from those 4 we would be looking at a mature age player very late in the national draft or rookie draft.
In my opinion the club does need to bring in a KPF. It may just be for depth while we are still in a premiership window.
An injury to Hippy or Morris would be a big problem with the present players available or not available early 2025.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Harry Arnold delisted, Daragh Joyce extended

Correct decision?

 

[Tom14]

Harry Arnold delisted

Wow, shocker.

 

[martinson]

Protecting Morris development has to be factored in with potential changes to the forward line. Going in with Hipwood/Logan as our keys still doesn’t solve the 2nd ruck issue either.

While it won’t matter as much against the lower teams, versing a GWS they’ll likely be going against Taylor and Buckley, which is far from ideal. It may give other teams the ability to play a key player a bite loose as well.

I’m unsure if Henry is the answer, but I’m all for filling Joes void with that type of player.

We've just won a flag off the back of players whom many questioned as being able to play permanently well enough for us to feature this year but who blossomed and gained confidence with a run of games in a specific role.

Answerth ,Lester ,Ah Chee , Lohman ,Fletcher, Morris . Even Zorko . Joyce was doing ok before Payne came back.

From what I've seen of Smith he just needs experience and I'd be prepared to take the punt on him without busting the bank or getting hold of a has been. He's also a very level headed and intelligent young man . We mightn't know what we have there until we back him with a run of games .

 

[Nunez]

Harry Arnold delisted, Daragh Joyce extended

Correct decision?

Come home Harry!

 

[energyquant]

Hi guys - I hope you don't mind the intrusion.

I doubt it happens, but if Lynch (plus a big chunk of his salary for 1 year) went to Brisbane, do you have a player that might be a good fit for us (needs to be under 25)?

 

[Nunez]

It's a shame Sam Day

14

Sam Day

Age

32

Ht

196cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

4.6

3star

M

3.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

3.6

1star

HB

4.4

3star

M

1.9

2star

T

1.5

2star

G

0.9

4star

D

8.6

3star

K

3.2

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.8

3star

G

0.2

3star

got smashed with injuries. Had so much potential as a player.

 

[martinson]

Harry Arnold delisted, Daragh Joyce extended

Correct decision?

Surprising without having seen a lot of him this year.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Surprising without having seen a lot of him this year.

Not many yet to debut 25 year olds stay on lists

 

[Nunez]

Not many yet to debut 25 year olds stay on lists

Yeah it's a hard ask especially when he's basically remained injured for most of his contract. I hope we can sneak him into our VFL team.

 

[martinson]

Yeah it's a hard ask especially when he's basically remained injured for most of his contract. I hope we can sneak him into our VFL team.

It's not as if they're overflowing with choices in his role so the issue is getting him on the park I'd imagine.

Yeah ,I'd love him back in the VFL team.

 

[Section 5]

Protecting Morris development has to be factored in with potential changes to the forward line. Going in with Hipwood/Logan as our keys still doesn’t solve the 2nd ruck issue either.

While it won’t matter as much against the lower teams, versing a GWS they’ll likely be going against Taylor and Buckley, which is far from ideal. It may give other teams the ability to play a key player a bite loose as well.

I’m unsure if Henry is the answer, but I’m all for filling Joes void with that type of player.

Agree with you if the AFL sticks to 4 plus a sub in 2025.
Indications early this year was that in 2025 they would have 5 on the bench.
It is the AFL though, so they don't usually do what is obvious to everyone else.

Should the AFL go 5 on the bench and with Jo retiring i see Henry Smith getting the bench ruck/forward relief role.
Henry Smith is 206cm and 98kg came on in leaps and bound in 2024. Natural improvement should be expected again.
Smith only turned 22 in September. Has been on our list since 2021 so a few preseasons under his belt now.
He played 4 AFL games this year as ruck relief and was subbed off two times.
His best game was v Saints. Had 11 disposals, 1 mark, 11 hit outs, 3 center clearance and 2 stoppage clearances.
He is ruck relief in the VFL to Fort and Lane but did get a few games as sole ruck.
Smiths average stats over his 14 games at VFL level.
Disposals 16, marks 5, hit outs 21, tackles 3.5, goals 1.2

 

[Elixuh]

Hi guys - I hope you don't mind the intrusion.

I doubt it happens, but if Lynch (plus a big chunk of his salary for 1 year) went to Brisbane, do you have a player that might be a good fit for us (needs to be under 25)?

Jarryd lyons as an experienced mid
Carter Michael and James madden up and comers to replace Rioli.

Those 3 for lynch and Richmond pays 65% of lynches contract.

This offer is on the table for the next 20 minutes.

 

[Tom14]

Jarryd lyons as an experienced mid
Carter Michael and James madden up and comers to replace Rioli.

Those 3 for lynch and Richmond pays 65% of lynches contract.

This offer is on the table for the next 20 minutes.

That'd be a tough one for us to swallow - not sure I'd give them up.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

Hi guys - I hope you don't mind the intrusion.

I doubt it happens, but if Lynch (plus a big chunk of his salary for 1 year) went to Brisbane, do you have a player that might be a good fit for us (needs to be under 25)?

There are a few younger players on our list who've shown varying degrees of promise though without being able to nail down a spot, and we'd likely be willing to trade one or two of them. Dev Robertson, Jaxon Prior, Harry Sharp and James Tunstill are the names that come to mind, and each of them do have genuine upside.

I think it's quite likely in the right environment that both Dev & Jaxon will make it and forge long careers. They'd be the two I'd target if I was an opposition club.

 

[McIvor]

I wonder what a realistic expectation for Logan Morris second season will be. He'd have 30+ if he played all games this year, but think he can push 40 with a strong pre season. For me, his natural ability will get him far and it's all about getting his strength up to a point the bigger bodied defenders can't completely blanket him.

You always worry about second year blues with young lads like Logan but knowing he’s good mates with Kai and Harry and seeing how hard Kai has worked in off seasons to have the third season he did combined with the phenomenal trainer Harry is, if Logan works as hard as those two, you can absolutely see him do what you suggested. I’d actually be more surprised if he went the other way such is the immediate role models he has at the club that shouldn’t make him complacent.

 

[mpal6]

Harry Arnold delisted, Daragh Joyce extended

Correct decision?

We know Joyce and he has delivered or manfully battled whenever we called him up.

Some of the posters here have a "grass is green on the other side" type excitement about Harry, he's injury prone even when on Swans program.

I believe the correct decision has been made. What's on our hand is worth more based on results so far.