List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[briztoon]

I'm not right up on the drafting rules but if we were to go to the draft with those 5 selections doesn't that mean we have to have 5 list spots available?

Are we not better off doing draft night banking of picks?

On the other hand maybe we are open to taking 5 in the draft if it is at all possible eg. Ashcroft, Marshall, Gallop, Gillett and Gilder.

No. Clubs just need to select 3 players in the draft. Those 5 selections in the draft will help us match bids for Ashcroft/Marshall

That's not quite what M Malice was asking.

The AFL has several rules about how many picks clubs can take to the draft.

One rule is, that teams can only take the same number of picks to the draft as they have vacant senior list spots.

So if we were to take 5 picks to the draft, we would need to have 5 spots available.

Also, if we're going to ask/expect another team to carry picks in to the draft for us, that team also has to have enough senior list spots as well.

Not sure if Richmond will have 10 senior list spots to take their top 5 picks to the draft, as well as 5 later picks to then trade to us.

Currently we have 4 senior list available, plus a 5th we we don't re-sign Prior. And 1 rookie list spot available. We also have Beecken and Craven as un-signed rookies.

Pick 32 will also hold some value on draft night. I expect one or two teams will want to trade up for it. Something like Melbourne trading 40 and 49 for it, giving us an extra 127 points

 

[Tom14]

That's not quite what M Malice was asking.

The AFL has several rules about how many picks clubs can take to the draft.

One rule is, that teams can only take the same number of picks to the draft as they have vacant senior list spots.

So if we were to take 5 picks to the draft, we would need to have 5 spots available.

Also, if we're going to ask/expect another team to carry picks in to the draft for us, that team also has to have enough senior list spots as well.

Not sure if Richmond will have 10 senior list spots to take their top 5 picks to the draft, as well as 5 later picks to then trade to us.

Currently we have 4 senior list available, plus a 5th we we don't re-sign Prior. And 1 rookie list spot available. We also have Beecken and Craven as un-signed rookies.

Pick 32 will also hold some value on draft night. I expect one or two teams will want to trade up for it. Something like Melbourne trading 40 and 49 for it, giving us an extra 127 points

This is why I'd be stunned if Richmond don't trade all their later picks to us. If they end up with say 7-8 picks inside 25, there's minimal chance they will have the list spots to use picks in the thirties and forties so they'll lose them anyway.

Just makes too much sense to do that trade before the draft, and then if we need more points we do a draft night trade with someone else.

 

[SeaOfFire]

Talking about Tom Lynch right? He's 199cm.

My OP was referring to Alistair Lynch, not Tom Lynch

 

[Morbidly_Obese]

I think Marcus Adams

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Marcus Adams

Age

31

Ht

192cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.8

4star

K

8.1

3star

HB

5.7

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

2.0

4star

MG

240.5

4star

D

5.0

1star

K

2.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

57.0

1star

D

15.8

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

6.8

5star

M

6.8

5star

T

2.0

4star

MG

235.8

4star

is good to go now.

 

[dlanod]

I'd be interested to see a club bid on a fs or academy player at 1 and stiff their guy on all that comes with being the no.1 pick + the PR boost for the club. I can't see a club like the Tigers giving that up.

2020 AFL draft - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[RS25]

I think Marcus Adams is good to go now.

I thought he was medically retired

 

[RS25]

Question; what happens if an out of contract player such as Prior goes untraded and despite having a contract in front of him by Brisbane still wants to move and doesn’t sign? Does he automatically become a delisted free agent or has to go to the PSD to be picked up.

Just curious the likelihood of the outcome for Jaxon and how it benefits both club and player.

Pre season draft I believe… or can nominate for the national draft

 

[M Malice]

My OP was referring to Alistair Lynch, not Ton Lynch

It could also have been confusion re Tom Lynch the x Crows player who was 192cm.

 

[spotthedog1]

AFL standard Key Forwards on our list:
Hipwood
Morris

AFL standard Key Backs on our list:
Andrews
Payne
Lester
Doedee
Gardiner

Only counting players ready to go next year. Given that imbalance, I think someone on that Key Back list will be pre-season training with the other group.

 

[blueiris]

Looking at games where we played a smaller forward line we played our best football this season adding Linc wouldn’t really hurt our structure we can still play our 2nd ruckman on the bench especially if the AFL changes the Substitutes rules

 

[M Malice]

AFL standard Key Forwards on our list:
Hipwood
Morris

AFL standard Key Backs on our list:
Andrews
Payne
Lester
Doedee
Gardiner

Only counting players ready to go next year. Given that imbalance, I think someone on that Key Back list will be pre-season training with the other group.

Direct depth for Payne or Andrews I feel is only Darragh Joyce IMO... ZZ not ready yet.

Lester, Doedee, Gardiner are more 3rd tall options although all 3 at a pinch could fill in as number 1-2 key defence to a reasonable degree for a short time if absolutely necessary to play on the likes of McKay, Hogan, Darcy, JUH, Kingx2, Larkey.

Agree if Hipwood and/or Morris went down we are in strife(lot of dependence on a 2nd year KPF in 2025), hopefully my assessment of him is wrong and Henry Smith can improve again over the pre season and step up as a KPF.

 

[BrisVegasDru]

Direct depth for Payne or Andrews I feel is only Darragh Joyce IMO... ZZ not ready yet.

Lester, Doedee, Gardiner are more 3rd tall options although all 3 at a pinch could fill in as number 1-2 key defence to a reasonable degree for a short time if absolutely necessary to play on the likes of McKay, Hogan, Darcy, JUH, Kingx2, Larkey.

Agree if Hipwood and/or Morris went down we are in strife(lot of dependence on a 2nd year KPF in 2025), hopefully my assessment of him is wrong and Henry Smith can improve again over the pre season and step up as a KPF.

Henry should benefit greatly from this preseason and being made to feel he belongs will be key, but suspect ruck will be his forte, maybe he rucks 50% and Oscar plays deep forward? O will draw a lot of arm chops standing under a high ball.

 

[Clarkythelion]

In Fagan we trust. During Henry Smith's exit interview Fagan in his fatherly way says, "Henry, my boy, have a good holiday, be responsible, when you come back your - our man" Fagan makes little rabbit ears with his hands in the air. "We are putting our eggs in your basket you have shown us enough and I believe in you". "Here is your training plan, here is a video of how we want you to play - I believe in you"

Come pre-season after Christmas, when Smith has trained for a couple of months with the 'probables' in the key role it starts to click. Every session it is Andrews and Payne marking up on Smith and the team learns some new running patters to supply him and Smith learns how to bring it to ground against the best defenders.

Fagan's confidence is infectious in smith and the team, Fagan knows he cant replace Joe and 'stays fat' with smith and by mid-year we have an AFL standard ruck/forward, not a 'Joe' but one that is not easily beaten and one that Loman and Charlie are feasting off the scraps from. Fagan know he cant continually 'buy' readymade, like he had to do in 2024 he has evolved the list.

 

[BrisVegasDru]

watch this Grand Final preview from 15 minute mark, gives me a degree of confidence

 

[Bucking Beads]

watch this Grand Final preview from 15 minute mark, gives me a degree of confidence

No need for confidence now mate. We won.

 

[M Malice]

Really like Max Gawn

11

Max Gawn

Age

33

Ht

209cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

6.7

4star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

35.3

5star

D

18.5

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

7.0

4star

CL

3.5

4star

HO

29.2

5star

D

8.4

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

15.6

5star

's thoughts in the media, interesting that he sees the Lions and Pies as the Demons biggest rivals.

 

[POBT]

I have been thinking through the Daniher Dilemma a fair bit. I really think that the answer is from within and I think it comes down to a very slight game plan adjustment.

Pre-Joe, we played really good footy with two tall forwards and two rucks. Stef Martin was the dominant ruck and Oscar played chop out minutes. One of the two forwards was a talented, if somewhat inconsistent, mature player in McStay. The other was a gifted youngster in Eric. In Eric and Morris, we've got similar now.

Back then, we played a game style that relied heavily on an aerial contest. We all remember those long bombs down the wing where the main object was to create a stoppage. Mostly it would work but we got killed when it didn't. We needed aerial presence to compete and we didn't always have it so we went and got Joe.

But we've set up completely differently over the next 5-6 years. We now seem to actively avoid those long kicks to a waiting pack, where competing height is integral. We are elite by foot and prefer to retain possession. When we do kick to a contest, we try and target one on ones where our guy is aerially superior to his opponent.

So, what we now require of a tall forward is completely different to what we needed in 2020, when we went after Joe. We need forward presence when we do have to kick in long into 50, we need players to lead up and provide options, and we need a second ruck.

I'm not sure though that all of that requires us to get to the nearest approximation to Joe. I think the opportunity is there to look at our game plan and find one or two complementary pieces rather than necessarily look for an understudy. The mandatories for me are (a) ruck minutes and (b) an aerial presence inside forward 50. Everything else Joe brought to the table can be covered by existing personnel expanding their roles - the leading up, the mobility, the goals.

In the absence of a perfect Joe replacement, I think that our game plan now would be suited to one of two options. Either we play a second ruck who doesn't cost us too much defensively or at ground level (Smith) or we play another marking option (Gardiner, Lloyd, Rayner repurposed) and find ruck minutes elsewhere.

We don't need a unicorn - just a good horse will do.

 

[Nathan Barley]

AFL standard Key Forwards on our list:
Hipwood
Morris

AFL standard Key Backs on our list:
Andrews
Payne
Lester
Doedee
Gardiner

Only counting players ready to go next year. Given that imbalance, I think someone on that Key Back list will be pre-season training with the other group.

I wouldn’t call Lester, Doedee or Morris KPPs. But Joyce would be borderline AFL quality

 

[Nuggo]

It is looking like Hippy will be the number 1 KPF, Smith 2nd KPF and relief ruck, Morris 3rd KPF. Perhaps a KPF cover will be picked up as Dom has suggested - from the names thrown around here. Fort will be here to end of 2025 so will probably continue to be the emergency ruck. Job done, move onto 2025.

 

[buttermuffs]

Really like Max Gawn

11

Max Gawn

Age

33

Ht

209cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

6.7

4star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

35.3

5star

D

18.5

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

7.0

4star

CL

3.5

4star

HO

29.2

5star

D

8.4

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

15.6

5star

's thoughts in the media, interesting that he sees the Lions and Pies as the Demons biggest rivals.

We’ve had some absolute cracker games recently and us causing their straight sets exit the year after their flag probably did a lot.

 

[buttermuffs]

We don't need a unicorn - just a good horse will do.

John Longmire?

 

[Darren Downunder]

2020 AFL draft - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wow! That is a very unimpressive draft class.
Ugle Hagen at one… Ollie Henry at 17 then tumbleweeds until Eric Gulden in the30’s.

Ginnivan in the rookie draft!

Couldn’t really blame the Crows for bidding.

 

[SpecialBruce]

It is looking like Hippy will be the number 1 KPF, Smith 2nd KPF and relief ruck, Morris 3rd KPF. Perhaps a KPF cover will be picked up as Dom has suggested - from the names thrown around here. Fort will be here to end of 2025 so will probably continue to be the emergency ruck. Job done, move onto 2025.

Nah, I can see us still bringing a Tabener/Casboult in etc.

 

[Elixuh]

2020 AFL draft - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That draft doesn’t count becuase I can’t remember it or any of those players that were drafted aside from JUH. What is a Riley Thilrope??

 

[Nuggo]

Nah, I can see us still bringing a Tabener/Casboult in etc.

Isn't that what I said?