List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets

[s_wd6]

Darcy for Stengle and Neale

Top 5 Ruck on a 7 year deal for unrestricted free agent and unproven backup ruck.

 

[FD2646]

Darcy for Stengle and Neale

And an extra 2 or 3 first rounders given his age, position and contract length.

 

[freoextra]

Current picks are roughly:
11, 13, 16
23

Would love one of Port or Pies to fall out of 8 but probably unlikely.

My Port supporting mate reckons they have a very hard road home and still no certainty for the eight. I would be more optimistic than him because they have a great midfield.

 

[mayne iac]

Top 5 Ruck on a 7 year deal for unrestricted free agent and unproven backup ruck.

A ruck who is injured 40 % of the time

 

[wakojako]

I was at the Dreamtime game last night, and on that performance Baker is worth a future 2nd.

If we land Baker at the reported $800k mark we can't afford Warner.

 

[Cobbler]

Freo playing 4D chess.
Offer massive for Logan. Swans retaliate and sign McDonald on overs.
Freo offer massive on Baker. Eagles retaliate and grab Baker.

Then we make a huge play on Warner. Swans can’t match due to dollars on McDonald and others. Eagles can’t grab due to Baker and loss of trading currency.

BANG! We swoop on Warner.

 

[s_wd6]

A ruck who is injured 40 % of the time

So a top 5 ruck 60% of the time in a straight swap for an unproven ruck who’s played 8 career games? And an UFA.

 

[mayne iac]

And their first

 

[apuchar]

If that actually happens, I hope it is because of Knobel, not Jackson

 

[E Shed]

I don’t want us targeting anything except small to medium size wing/forward types with elite pace & kicking skills. We’re stacked for every other position.

Pace, lateral movement, high footy IQ & long precision kicking non negotiable.

 

[wakojako]

Freo playing 4D chess.
Offer massive for Logan. Swans retaliate and sign McDonald on overs.
Freo offer massive on Baker. Eagles retaliate and grab Baker.

Then we make a huge play on Warner. Swans can’t match due to dollars on McDonald and others. Eagles can’t grab due to Baker and loss of trading currency.

BANG! We swoop on Warner.

I hope you are right, cap space is tight and we have multiple players to be paid such as Brayshaw and Treacy. We need to prioritise our cap space which is why we can't afford Warner if we go for Baker.

 

[Joao]

I hope you are right, cap space is tight and we have multiple players to be paid such as Brayshaw and Treacy. We need to prioritise our cap space which is why we can't afford Warner if we go for Baker.

How could you possibly know this?

 

[wakojako]

How could you possibly know this?

I could be wrong but isn't this logical though? Let's use conservative estimates and say Baker asks for $600k and Warner $700k, that is equal to $1.3 million in cap space. Realistically they will both be asking for a lot more (probably $1.5 million plus). Then you need to consider Brayshaw is out of contract in 2025 and will want his pay day. Same concept applies to Tracey in 2026. Salary caps exist for a reason, to prevent rich clubs from signing big names on inflated contracts. That is why in my opinion we can't sign both players. This was the cost of getting Jackson and retaining Darcy.

 

[Cobbler]

I have no idea on cap space etc, but I would hope that part of the reason for many of our long term contracts is to spread amounts and allow us to still go after big plays.

The idea would be to front load heavily to attract them.

Who actually knows, but working the books shouldn’t be too difficult.

 

[BettercallSaul]

Who even IS this Finey numpty? He is obviously bereft of topics to fill dead space with so he drags out an old chestnut that even Suma gave up on.

 

[Ge3ks]

Who actually knows, but working the books shouldn’t be too difficult.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

I could be wrong but isn't this logical though? Let's use conservative estimates and say Baker asks for $600k and Warner $700k, that is equal to $1.3 million in cap space. Realistically they will both be asking for a lot more (probably $1.5 million plus). Then you need to consider Brayshaw is out of contract in 2025 and will want his pay day. Same concept applies to Tracey in 2026. Salary caps exist for a reason, to prevent rich clubs from signing big names on inflated contracts. That is why in my opinion we can't sign both players. This was the cost of getting Jackson and retaining Darcy.

The reports are that we have a fair amount of cap space (Herald Sun and Cal Twomey I think the main sources for that claim), plus Tabs signed his deal that expires end of this year just off the back of his AA squad selection, his contract (and to a lesser extent Hughes') coming off the books would count for something. You'd also think some team out there can use what Brodie can bring.

Mind you, I'd be surprised if Warner alone signs a contract that isn't 7 figures, and that's without the potential nepotism deals for his brothers (if it's good enough for the Bucks with Giannis, it's good enough for us).

 

[Nodgey]

I don't normally say something like this because 99% of the time it's highly unlikely.

But surely there is a medium/small forward in one of the state leagues that can offer more than Walters and Emmet atm.

I would think so too, but even then I’m not sure how much to expect from a debutant forward pocket. Hardly anyone can do a Barlow and just slot right in seamlessly.

The best hope is maybe to give a delisted player a second chance like we did with Wagner. So maybe Winder or some SANFL or VFL equivalent.

 

[wakojako]

The reports are that we have a fair amount of cap space (Herald Sun and Cal Twomey I think the main sources for that claim), plus Tabs signed his deal that expires end of this year just off the back of his AA squad selection, his contract (and to a lesser extent Hughes') coming off the books would count for something. You'd also think some team out there can use what Brodie can bring.

Mind you, I'd be surprised if Warner alone signs a contract that isn't 7 figures, and that's without the potential nepotism deals for his brothers (if it's good enough for the Bucks with Giannis, it's good enough for us).

You are right, we will be offloading some players at the end of the season which should free up some cap space. The salary cap will also increase by $2 million in 2025. This is just speculation but Warner is a $1 million dollar player and Baker will demand closer to $800k, that alone wipes out most of the cap rise. If we can afford both Baker and Warner it is a no brainer.

 

[fnerd]

I could be wrong

Reckon you’ve nailed it here

 

[Lach72]

I could be wrong but isn't this logical though? Let's use conservative estimates and say Baker asks for $600k and Warner $700k, that is equal to $1.3 million in cap space. Realistically they will both be asking for a lot more (probably $1.5 million plus). Then you need to consider Brayshaw is out of contract in 2025 and will want his pay day. Same concept applies to Tracey in 2026. Salary caps exist for a reason, to prevent rich clubs from signing big names on inflated contracts. That is why in my opinion we can't sign both players. This was the cost of getting Jackson and retaining Darcy.

We are an EXTREMELY young side.
We have Fyfe and Walters setting off into the sunset soon, and guys like Hughes on middling wages and Tabs n maybe a bit more going.

If we can’t pay for both of them I’ll eat my own arse.

 

[wakojako]

If we can’t pay for both of them I’ll eat my own arse.

 

[Joao]

I could be wrong but isn't this logical though? Let's use conservative estimates and say Baker asks for $600k and Warner $700k, that is equal to $1.3 million in cap space. Realistically they will both be asking for a lot more (probably $1.5 million plus). Then you need to consider Brayshaw is out of contract in 2025 and will want his pay day. Same concept applies to Tracey in 2026. Salary caps exist for a reason, to prevent rich clubs from signing big names on inflated contracts. That is why in my opinion we can't sign both players. This was the cost of getting Jackson and retaining Darcy.

That's not logic. That's guessing. If you want to draw a conclusion, you need to establish the validity of the premise/s. In this case you can't do that because you don't have access to the books.

So the best you can do is say IF these wild guesses are correct, then I am correct. But that is of no use because I could just come up with my own IF:

If we've been front-ending with an eye to attract a FA and we also had 500k each set aside for Schultz and Henry then we've got enough to cover both Baker and Warner.

And we've gotten nowhere.

We just don't know.

 

[wakojako]

Players OOC this year:
Bailey Banfield

41

Bailey Banfield

Age

26

Ht

190cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.9

3star

T

3.9

5star

G

0.3

3star

D

9.5

2star

K

5.3

2star

HB

4.3

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.5

4star

D

14.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.2

5star

G

0.2

3star

(UFA)
Conrad Williams (NFA)
Corey Wagner (UFA)
Ethan Hughes

15

Ethan Hughes

Age

29

Ht

188cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.1

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

182.0

3star

D

10.6

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.6

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

0.9

2star

MG

133.1

2star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

7.4

5star

M

5.6

5star

T

2.8

5star

MG

185.8

4star

(UFA)
Ethan Stanley (NFA)
Josh Corbett

19

Josh Corbett

Age

28

Ht

190cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.0

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.3

3star

No current season stats available

D

10.4

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.6

3star

(NFA)
Liam Riedy (NFA)
Matthew Taberner

20

Matthew Taberner

Age

31

Ht

198cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.3

5star

D

9.9

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

2.3

2star

M

6.1

5star

T

0.4

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

13.0

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.8

4star

(UFA)
Max Knobel (NFA)
Nathan O'Driscoll (NFA)
Odin Jones (NFK)
Patrick Voss (UFA)
Sam Sturt

1

Sam Sturt

Age

24

Ht

190cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.7

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.3

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.7

2star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.3

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.7

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.3

3star

T

1.0

3star

G

1.3

5star

(NFA)
Sebit Kuek (NFA)
Tom Emmett (NFA)

Source: Footy Wire

Seems like we are in a pretty good position list management wise.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Haha