List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[Freoforever86]

I’d put Knobel in there too. A few AFL games next year would be ideal.
Knobel is a true forward/ruck that skill set is a game changer.

If Knobel is playing AFL next year, we’ve gone horribly wrong and aren’t going well at all

 

[blue shark]

If Knobel is playing AFL next year, we’ve gone horribly wrong and aren’t going well at all

You could of said the same thing about Draper and Davies.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Cool, so in 2026 he MIGHT be kicking enough goals to help the side.

2026, Baker, Warner , multiple good small forwards, played multiple finals in 2025.

2 good nga players in.

We need a bit of patience.

 

[theGav56]

I'm on the need a mature, back up KPD train and have been for a while. Pearce hasn't got the best injury history, Cox similar and I see him more as a McGovern type. Ryan not a KP, Draper and Davies need time to develop, and MacDonald could be anything. Always good to have a back up for the back ups.

Also, lets not forget the club were happy to keep Hamling but he wanted a longer term deal and more game time (which worked out well). Let's not pretend that he would have been playing this year with the injuries we had.

I rate the development opportunity Draper got this year highly and would hate that to have been taken away by playing a plodder instead.

Davis is going to need senior opportunities as well, and Murphy should be the best of the lot based on his predraft biog.

The only way I want a tall defender in the draft is if they are if they have multi-positional potential (Curtin).

 

[Freoforever86]

You could of said the same thing about Draper and Davies.

Davies wasn’t ready and was pretty average.
Draper has had good and bad but has great support in Ryan Cox Etc.

Knobel playing means we’ve had a bunch of injuries to key players or Reidys left etc.
He’s playing ressies ffs. Surely we’re past the point of wanting kids to play for the hell of it.

 

[CapitalA]

I really hope we don’t give up our magic beans for Bolton/Baker. There have been chats about our performances being on par with the Connolly era, but I’m concerned our trading could go the same way.

2004 Freo finish 9th, convinced that they can make the next step via the trade table they blow 3 picks (inc 1st rounder) on a 24yo Josh Carr

Josh Carr

Age

44

Ht

179cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.8

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

7.2

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.3

5star

CL

2.0

4star

No current season stats available

D

12.2

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

0.8

3star

. Spoiler alert - he didn’t bring the promised land with him. We were underachieving by his 3rd season, on the skids by his 4th and he was back to Port after that.

We have gaps, and the draft gives the opportunity to fill them. We don’t need a first year player to carry the team - just contribute. Someone like a Weightman (Berry) is way more attractive to me on a risk basis.

This is it. If we don't go to the draft we are just doing what we have always done in the past and it will bite us like it always does.

 

[Lach72]

This is it. If we don't go to the draft we are just doing what we have always done in the past and it will bite us like it always does.

Sure…I’m sure Richmond and Geelong are regretting trading for Prestia, Lynch and Dangerfield because a few trades failed

 

[Lach72]

And I also can’t see a world where Bolton costs more than 9 and 10. More likely 9 amd whatever the Port pick ends up at and then we can try and add Baker for the Saints pick. Still leaves us with a first to use…

So effectively we add two guaranteed AFL quality, proven premiership players, and a first round draft pick.

I really don’t understand the reticence tbh, having seen the way our season has panned out

 

[Dayts]

9+10+F2 for Baker, Bolton *19
Gonna get it done ?

 

[Joao]

Hmmm we've pretty much got that with Frederick and Sturt tbh.

We need both a genuine crumber rather than a medium forward and a HFF that can hit the scoreboard. That and I think we need a non-tall getting to 40+

Yeah we need class at ground level and a tackling presence. Basically Schultz but hopefully quicker and more skillful.

9+10+F2 for Baker, Bolton *19
Gonna get it done ?

No chance.

 

[Alfonz]

9+10+F2 for Baker, Bolton *19
Gonna get it done ?

Not even close. Richmond won't be giving anything of significance back. Our F2 also doesn't have too much value for Richmond as they would be predicting it to blow out into the 30's.

And we need to have Richmond paying a large chunk of Bolton's salary. We will be paying for that. Also consider how Walls handed over a huge haul for Jackson to get the deal done. People need to be prepared that this potential trade will cost us more than they are hoping.

My prediction would be our two best first rounders (essentially for Bolton + salary relief), then we will haggle over our remaining 1st or the Saints second (essentially for Baker).

I don't think it is essential to use a 1st over the next few drafts ... the rule for drafting in firsts over a rolling window is a grey area and we should easily get an exemption with the age/strength of our list. So I won't be surprised to see all 3 firsts out the door to Richmond. That's what they will be demanding. Maybe we can get a F3 back for NGA bid matching.

 

[poshman]

And I also can’t see a world where Bolton costs more than 9 and 10. More likely 9 amd whatever the Port pick ends up at and then we can try and add Baker for the Saints pick. Still leaves us with a first to use…

So effectively we add two guaranteed AFL quality, proven premiership players, and a first round draft pick.

I really don’t understand the reticence tbh, having seen the way our season has panned out

If we can make that happen it will be huge for the club.

Does Baker want to come to us? And will Richmond want more than 9 and 15-16?

 

[poshman]

Not even close. Richmond won't be giving anything of significance back. Our F2 also doesn't have too much value for Richmond as they would be predicting it to blow out into the 30's.

And we need to have Richmond paying a large chunk of Bolton's salary. We will be paying for that. Also consider how Walls handed over a huge haul for Jackson to get the deal done. People need to be prepared that this potential trade will cost us more than they are hoping.

My prediction would be our two best first rounders (essentially for Bolton + salary relief), then we will haggle over our remaining 1st or the Saints second (essentially for Baker).

I don't think it is essential to use a 1st over the next few drafts ... the rule for drafting in firsts over a rolling window is a grey area and we should easily get an exemption with the age/strength of our list. So I won't be surprised to see all 3 firsts out the door to Richmond. That's what they will be demanding. Maybe we can get a F3 back for NGA bid matching.

I find the thought of three firsts painful.

And I am someone who doesn't rate the draft as highly as others. I would prefer to keep one of them and not get Baker. That way we have a good first and a good second.

Has there been a change in the news on Baker? I thought he was a big Eagles fan and wanted to head there?

 

[guidodp15]

I find the thought of three firsts painful.

And I am someone who doesn't rate the draft as highly as others. I would prefer to keep one of them and not get Baker. That way we have a good first and a good second.

Has there been a change in the news on Baker? I thought he was a big Eagles fan and wanted to head there?

unless he is going for big money what solid player in his mid 20's want to go to a team where you won't be challanging for finals for 3 years?

 

[Joao]

I find the thought of three firsts painful.

And I am someone who doesn't rate the draft as highly as others. I would prefer to keep one of them and not get Baker. That way we have a good first and a good second.

Has there been a change in the news on Baker? I thought he was a big Eagles fan and wanted to head there?

Nobody ITK has committed I don't think. Even Twomey doesn't seem to know and he usually would by this point.

 

[Alfonz]

I find the thought of three firsts painful.

And I am someone who doesn't rate the draft as highly as others. I would prefer to keep one of them and not get Baker. That way we have a good first and a good second.

Has there been a change in the news on Baker? I thought he was a big Eagles fan and wanted to head there?

I wouldn't be overly happy with it either, but just trying to be realistic. Hopefully we can get away with 2 x firsts and the Saints second. Or as you say not go after Baker. I'm concerned about Baker's salary and the impact on getting Warner. But it seems people are talking about Bolton/Baker as a package deal. Maybe that's just out of convenience.

I think there would also be a train of thought that with WC going with a new coach, the rebuild and draft will have even more focus, and they should not be giving up valuable draft capital for someone who will be approaching the end by the time they are any good again. And from Baker's perspective, he might as well stay at Richmond.

 

[purplerunsdeep2]

Banfield's days are numbered in my opinion, has been far too costly to the side over the last month or so, you can't forgive so many screw ups in such a short time period.

If he's been holding out on signing the contract to show his worth to get that extra year... he's in for a wake up. Absolute stunk of late and should be moved to the rookie list and lucky to get anything more than a year


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[mightymouse75]

If he's been holding out on signing the contract to show his worth to get that extra year... he's in for a wake up. Absolute stunk of late and should be moved to the rookie list and lucky to get anything more than a year


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He has stunk it up for a lot of his career and always ends up on top.
I don't see him being delisted.
I can see him being picked up by Carlton which would be crazy. What good would he do at Carlton.
He is not Afl level.

 

[AstonSouffle]

Meh - like the times of old, we lamented getting in Carr, Tarrant etc.

Then we did again lament getting in Hogan, Lobb and even Bennell.

Here we are with absolute crackerjack of a draft hand, and we want to throw that away, and probably lament it again.

It's painfully obvious we still have gaps within our best 22, unless we somehow pull a rabbit out of the hat and get Bolton, Warner, Baker, and Curtin for these four draft picks we really shouldn't be doing it.

The cold hard irrefutable laws of the universe state 4 years from now, all those players draft playing for Richmond will kick our arse in a final. Why can't we be aiming for sustainability? Why do have to be just on the cusp and then try take a massive leap? There's proof of Freo the football club of this never working.

 

[go_the_dockers]

And I also can’t see a world where Bolton costs more than 9 and 10. More likely 9 amd whatever the Port pick ends up at and then we can try and add Baker for the Saints pick. Still leaves us with a first to use…

So effectively we add two guaranteed AFL quality, proven premiership players, and a first round draft pick.

I really don’t understand the reticence tbh, having seen the way our season has panned out

The question is Bolton the best and most cost effective solution to fix our small forward issue.

If he wasn't contracted it would be an easier decision.

I hope we are prepared to walk away if the price is to expensive, and it will be very expensive.

I expect a Tim Kelly like haul of picks given away if the trade is done. Makes me vomit in my mouth just thinking about it.

Richmond don't need to be reasonable at all.

 

[rgauci]

Meh - like the times of old, we lamented getting in Carr, Tarrant etc.

Then we did again lament getting in Hogan, Lobb and even Bennell.

Here we are with absolute crackerjack of a draft hand, and we want to throw that away, and probably lament it again.

It's painfully obvious we still have gaps within our best 22, unless we somehow pull a rabbit out of the hat and get Bolton, Warner, Baker, and Curtin for these four draft picks we really shouldn't be doing it.

The cold hard irrefutable laws of the universe state 4 years from now, all those players draft playing for Richmond will kick our arse in a final. Why can't we be aiming for sustainability? Why do have to be just on the cusp and then try take a massive leap? There's proof of Freo the football club of this never working.

We need to hit a window where Alex Pearce is still fit / able. Otherwise it’s rinse and repeat.

Look at what Port did, they went and got the missing pieces because they know they are elite but not quite there.

Essendon did it too, but they weren’t elite to begin with.

Are we Port or Essendon?

Who knows for sure.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Sure…I’m sure Richmond and Geelong are regretting trading for Prestia, Lynch and Dangerfield because a few trades failed

They were all out of contract. Two were free agents.

If Bolton was out of contract it would be different.

Name one time, a club has pulled a contracted player out of a club and won.

Maybe Cameron to Brisbane, Neale to Brisbane but both times the clubs were reasonable.

Imagine giving up the below picks for Bolton.

Kelly's wish was finally granted after being traded the Eagles, who had traded Picks 14, 24, 37 and future first round pick to get

 

[Joao]

I would never advocate for chasing blokes with serious injury concerns or off-field issues ever again. I would also not trade first rounders anywhere near the start of a rebuild. I'd even baulk at 2nd rounders for blokes over 22.

This particular situation is unprecedented at Freo. We've never had both a top-end young list AND potentially AA caliber players wanting to come here.

I think Bolton and Warner are no-brainers if gettable. Baker could go either way so it entirely depends on cost for me.

 

[rgauci]

I think we need to drop the so-so runners for endurance beasts. Aside from Sharp, Brayshaw and Clark I don’t think we have enough running power.

Ryan, Cox, Fyfe, JOM, MJ previously Aish.

Not enough in the tank. Hence the 4th quarter fade outs. It’s fitness not skills that cost us.

I think a preseason will benefit Ryan, Cox and MJ. I think JOM is cooked from a running perspective.

 

[Joao]

Watch from 16:45

Bucks talks about agents. Might explain some of the baffling list decisions you see all around the league (Hughes x3 came to mind).