List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets

[Joao]

JFC. Does Merriman want a project or something?

Martin games played for the last 7 years (oldest first).

15
16
15
11
12
13
3

In the last 3 seasons, he's played 6 more games than Mundy and he's been retired for 2 of those.

 

[go_the_dockers]

I woukd take away Walls’ security pass if he even gives that 5 seconds thought.

JFC

Agree, but Ryno is not normally wrong.

 

[Cobbler]

I'm not sure how splitting the trades isn't seen to be fair? They are two different players with vastly different valuations and Walls' job is to extract maximum value for our club. I'd argue that that can only happen in this situation if the trades are split.

Well it’s about our assets.

If they value Bolton at more or less than what we have and they value Baker at more or less than what we have we can perhaps balance it out.

Just purely hypothetical. Say they value Bolton at 10 and 20 and Baker at 15 (I’m not suggesting that’s their worth)

We could do ~9, ~17 and ~26

To do separate. For Bolton 9 and 26 may be a smidge short. 9 and 17 is overs. For Baker ~17 may be right but means we can’t give enough for Bolton etc.

I know it can all be balanced with later pick swaps and futures etc.

I just think it can be a package and could probably make sense in this example. Not saying it will be.

 

[Lach72]

If they’re considering Martin then Sturt is gone.

There’s no way we play Martin with Sturt available

 

[go_the_dockers]

If they’re considering Martin then Sturt is gone.

There’s no way we play Martin with Sturt available

Offer Sturt 100k more, surely that is the answer.

****, add 2 years to the offer. If the answer is Martin, then you are asking the wrong question.

 

[Cobbler]

If they’re considering Martin then Sturt is gone.

There’s no way we play Martin with Sturt available

Was about to write this. Theres no way we can consider Martin otherwise. He’d be a similar type to Sturt and this would be Freo covering that position with a medium forward.

Hard pass for mine, but I’d imagine it’s also ‘insurance’ for Sturt possibly leaving.

Yuck!

 

[Duz97]

JFC. Does Merriman want a project or something?

Martin games played for the last 7 years (oldest first).

15
16
15
11
12
13
3

In the last 3 seasons, he's played 6 more games than Mundy and he's been retired for 2 of those.

You got to put the Carlton tax into account I reckon their fans do hamstrings walking to work it’s seeped into the club

 

[Joao]

You got to put the Carlton tax into account I reckon their fans do hamstrings walking to work it’s seeped into the club

Maybe, but here it is in chart form. I see a trend.

 

[Ge3ks]

You got to put the Carlton tax into account I reckon their fans do hamstrings walking to work it’s seeped into the club

This is true. Adam Cerra is now on the Jack Martin games played trajectory.

 

[Taylor]

If we get Martin we just need to sign Brad Crouch

5

Brad Crouch

Age

30

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.1

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

5.5

5star

CL

5.0

5star

D

20.3

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

9.1

5star

M

1.5

2star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.6

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

2.6

5star

and we will have collected the whole set of mini draft picks

 

[Stinky Lomax]

Maybe, but here it is in chart form. I see a trend.

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Have you employed someone to run your Big Footy stuff? You’ve been very impressive lately with your stats & graphics.

 

[Joao]

Have you employed someone to run your Big Footy stuff? You’ve been very impressive lately with your stats & graphics.

That's the dream, but I'm not there yet.

 

[Purple Suit]

Maybe, but here it is in chart form. I see a trend.

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[Lach72]

God the thought of getting Martin and losing Sturt makes me want to projectile spew

 

[Ge3ks]

If we get Martin we just need to sign Brad Crouch

5

Brad Crouch

Age

30

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.1

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

5.5

5star

CL

5.0

5star

D

20.3

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

9.1

5star

M

1.5

2star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.6

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

2.6

5star

and we will have collected the whole set of mini draft picks

What is this mini draft you speak of?

 

[go_the_dockers]

God the thought of getting Martin and losing Sturt makes me want to projectile spew

This off season will either push us into the top 4, or stuff up our rebuild.

So many moving pieces, we need to get the decisions right.

 

[go_the_dockers]

What is this mini draft you speak of?

Before GC and GWS started in the comp, they each had two mini draft picks (2 best 17 year olds), to trade to other clubs.

They were 17 year old. From memory they were Hogan, Bennell, O'Meara and Martin.

We are only 1 short from completing the set.

Actually, Brad Crouch was a mini draft pick, so Bennell must have not been (2nd pick in 2010).

 

[Cobbler]

God the thought of getting Martin and losing Sturt makes me want to projectile spew

The irony of someone finally getting over injuries at age 24 to be replaced by someone with increasing injury concerns at age 29 isn’t how ‘moneyball’ is suppose to work.

 

[Cobbler]

The irony of someone finally getting over injuries at age 24 to be replaced by someone with increasing injury concerns at age 29 isn’t how ‘moneyball’ is suppose to work.

And you just know we’ll offer Martin more than what we’re offering Sturt.

 

[MadMundy]

Hard pass on Martin.

 

[Taylor]

What is this mini draft you speak of?

When GWS came into the competition the AFL let them sell two picks each of 2011 and 2012 to access players who weren't yet old enough to qualify for that current draft.

Jaeger O'Meara and Brad Crouch were 2011
Jack Martin and Jesse Hogan were 2012

Gold Coast traded pick #4 and a first round compensation pick for Mini draft pick #1 in 2011 and pick #31
Adelaide traded pick #10 and a first round compensation pick for mini draft pick #2 in 2011 and Luke Brown

Gold Coast traded pick #2, end of first round compensation pick and #67 for mini draft pick #1 in 2012 and end of first round compensation pick

Melbourne traded pick #3 and #14 for mini draft pick #2 in 2012 and pick #20

 

[Joao]

This off season will either push us into the top 4, or stuff up our rebuild.

So many moving pieces, we need to get the decisions right.

Nah, as dire as swapping Sturt for Martin would be, after the Pies off-seasons leading up to 2023, they've demonstrated it is basically impossible to take yourself out of contention with a single bad off-season.

 

[Taylor]

So Gold Coast paid GWS four first round picks including #2 and #4 for Jack Martin

21

Jack Martin

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.6

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.6

3star

, Jaeger O'Meara

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Jaeger O'meara

Age

30

Ht

184cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.9

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

5.5

5star

CL

4.8

5star

D

20.9

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

5.0

5star

D

19.4

5star

K

11.4

4star

HB

8.0

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.6

5star

and an end of first round pick.

Ouch.

 

[Ge3ks]

When GWS came into the competition the AFL let them sell two picks each of 2011 and 2012 to access players who weren't yet old enough to qualify for that current draft.

Jaeger O'Meara and Brad Crouch were 2011
Jack Martin and Jesse Hogan were 2012

Gold Coast traded pick #4 and a first round compensation pick for Mini draft pick #1 in 2011 and pick #31
Adelaide traded pick #10 and a first round compensation pick for mini draft pick #2 in 2011 and Luke Brown

Gold Coast traded pick #2, end of first round compensation pick and #67 for mini draft pick #1 in 2012 and end of first round compensation pick

Melbourne traded pick #3 and #14 for mini draft pick #2 in 2012 and pick #20

Fascinating. Thanks for the explanation.

So is this what will happen when Tassie enters the comp? Do we know how they will build a list yet? I just assumed they would be getting the first ten picks in the draft, and unlimited cap to lure in some experienced players.

 

[MadMundy]

I don't think that Martin being considered correlates to anything related to Sturt, but if Martin came in and Sturt left, I reckon you'll have a few less than happy supporters.