List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[DragoDelph]

So, if it’s not Warner.

Big name. Would have to be mid/fwd.

Enough to make people lose their minds. (Up in here, up in here).

Would be ooc or close to. (Last year).

Enough to make us tell koz to hang tight.

And yet there’s been no whispers or hints anywhere. It doesn’t make sense. It has to be Chad.

 

[Polo342]

Always thought Ryan may be the one poached.

Saints are losing battle.
Last chance for him to lock in some decent coin.
Back home to vic.
Grandad who he is close with isn’t able to get around much.
His partner in crime now has a missus and baby.

Think Draper or Chapman could play that role.

Would suck, great guy, more experience gone.

But half this board would jump for joy.

What would Ryan actually be worth tradewise?

 

[DragoDelph]

What would Ryan actually be worth tradewise?

He’s not a true stopper, but is also durable.

I’d say about the same as Barrass.

 

[Cobbler]

So, if it’s not Warner.

Big name. Would have to be mid/fwd.

Enough to make people lose their minds. (Up in here, up in here).

Would be ooc or close to. (Last year).

Enough to make us tell koz to hang tight.

And yet there’s been no whispers or hints anywhere. It doesn’t make sense. It has to be Chad.

Occam’s razor - The simpler solution should be preferred over the more complex one.

Chad is obvious. We’ve been linked. He’s still playing finals, so no real murmurs. We’ve said we’ll be aggressive. We look like we didn’t go hard at Pickett. Simples.

Occam was a 14th century philosopher who was rumoured to discuss trades and slave swaps in the gladiatorial battles. He made a name for himself when posed a series of seemingly complex questions with open-ended solutions. Being savvy, but also bordering an IQ that most would see as being ******ed, he took the easy route every time and had a 53% strike rate, which was enough for his legacy to still hold to this day.

Using Occam, applied mathematics and sprinkled with hearsay I’ve calculated Chad to Freo at 58% 2024 and 178% for 2025…

 

[Docker82]

This makes my head hurt.

Biggest crab ever etc, certainty to be desisted, to old for WC but could get a deal from Port who are currently playing finals?

Is he a certainty to be delisted was somewhat of a question to the post I was replying to.

He might’ve already been told he’ll get no deal at Port because why would he be talking to South Fremantle? Just doesn’t add up to me.

IMO he’s a massive spud but Port somehow rated him enough to select him in the MSD and play him ten times this season. Some truly awful players have played for some pretty decent teams - if he was delisted I’d be extremely surprised if anyone was interested.

 

[WilloTree]

I can’t see Freo handing over 9 & 10 for Bolton, regardless how big his contract is. I will ****ing spew if that happens.

Agree. Was going to say that would be the straw that broke the camel's back for me but 9 and 10 for a small forward is more like putting a tram on an opossum.

 

[Taylor]

If Richmond pay a huge amount of salary for Bolton, I think they could front $3m next year, then it means we can get other players this year and next. That's worth nine and ten

 

[Cobbler]

If Richmond pay a huge amount of salary for Bolton, I think they could front $3m next year, then it means we can get other players this year and next. That's worth nine and ten

$3million is worth bucketloads more than 9&10.

I agree Richmond will pay salary for some exiting players to buy the best draft picks.

If we can get $1million of that we’ll have done well. Yes, it would definitely mean 9&10.

 

[Docker82]

Always thought Ryan may be the one poached.

Saints are losing battle.
Last chance for him to lock in some decent coin.
Back home to vic.
Grandad who he is close with isn’t able to get around much.
His partner in crime now has a missus and baby.

Think Draper or Chapman could play that role.

Would suck, great guy, more experience gone.

But half this board would jump for joy.

I can honestly see both pros and cons of Ryan leaving. It’d be a big risk for us to trade him - most neutral fans/media would think it’d really hurt us.

I’d assume his place in the team would be taken by Draper who’s a bigger body to potentially play on genuine KPFs if needed. Chapman might be closer to be the sort that could play that intercept role but would already be best 22. We’d probably move the ball a bit quicker with that set up IMO.

But Ryan really does stop a lot of opposition attacks as that lose defender and there’s a chance that hurts more that the pros would benefit the team. Certainly think stats rather than impact on games are the main things getting Ryan All Australian jackets but he’s still a pretty good player.

You’d think we’d need to be confident in getting both Kozzie and Bolton to even consider it.

 

[Achin joints]

God this is so boring can someone make up a rumour and discuss it like it’s actually happening so I can have some entertainment to get me through this night shift

Word is that we are making a play for Harley Reid

 

[rgauci]

He’s not a true stopper, but is also durable.

I’d say about the same as Barrass.

lol wtf? He’s a multiple all Australian. Barrass is average.

 

[WilloTree]

If Richmond pay a huge amount of salary for Bolton, I think they could front $3m next year, then it means we can get other players this year and next. That's worth nine and ten

The TPP is going up 3m over the next couple of years. Freo don't need Richmond to pay any of his salary for us. 3m + retirements to Walters, Hughes, Taberner and Fyfe is more than enough to bring in whoever we want.

Richmond would be mad to let the trade fall over; they stand to gain an additional 1st rounder in a super-draft at the bottom of a rebuild, with Tassie just around the corner. Just as we'd be mad to self-sabotage at the trade table (again).

 

[Taylor]

The TPP is going up 3m over the next couple of years. Freo don't need Richmond to pay any of his salary for us. 3m + retirements to Walters and Fyfe is more than enough to bring in whoever we want.

Consider a reality where Richmond dump their unused salary to Freo making Bolton free, and we still have the salary cap increases to spend on other players

 

[arsesmart]

Interesting that the Dan Houson trade chat has started again. Is it too much for Kozzie to do the same?

It was funny how Morris just dismissed the idea that Houston was staying put at Port, despite the definitive public statement Houston himself made. Yet Morris was totally sold on Pickett's non-statement somehow carrying so much more weight.

 

[Cobbler]

The TPP is going up 3m over the next couple of years. Freo don't need Richmond to pay any of his salary for us. 3m + retirements to Walters and Fyfe is more than enough to bring in whoever we want.

Richmond would be mad to let the trade fall over; they stand to gain an additional 1st rounder in a super-draft at the bottom of a rebuild, with Tassie just around the corner. Just as we'd be mad to self-sabotage at the trade table (again).

I’m not saying we need it, nor will Freo request it BUT if it MUST be 9&10 then we’ll certainly explore salary or a later first/ early 2nd coming back.

From Tigers perspective they simply need to get 9 and 10. If they ‘settle’ on 9 and F1 I think they’d have lost the trade on a trade they have no right to lose.

 

[rgauci]

I’m not saying we need it, nor will Freo request it BUT if it MUST be 9&10 then we’ll certainly explore salary or a later first/ early 2nd coming back.

From Tigers perspective they simply need to get 9 and 10. If they ‘settle’ on 9 and F1 I think they’d have lost the trade on a trade they have no right to lose.

9&10 is massive overs, 9 and 17 is a great deal for Richmond. They should start the car and run if we offer 9 and 17.

 

[WilloTree]

Consider a reality where Richmond dump their unused salary to Freo making Bolton free, and we still have the salary cap increases to spend on other players

That's just it though. We don't need them to dump the salary. I'd Offer pick 9 on day 1 and let them know we're taking 10 to the draft. If they fk around I'd pull a Brisbane/St Kilda tactic and trade out Port's 1st rounder and F2 on day 2 for an F1 to Sydney.

 

[Lach72]

That's just it though. We don't need them to dump the salary. I'd Offer pick 9 on day 1 and let them know we're taking 10 to the draft. If they fk around I'd pull a Brisbane/St Kilda tactic and trade out Port's 1st rounder and F2 on day 2 for an F1 to Sydney.

Ummm…why in the living shit would we give an extra second pick for a pick next year that is likely to be worse than Port’s pick?

 

[Ysaye]

Occam’s razor - The simpler solution should be preferred over the more complex one.

Chad is obvious. We’ve been linked. He’s still playing finals, so no real murmurs. We’ve said we’ll be aggressive. We look like we didn’t go hard at Pickett. Simples.

Occam was a 14th century philosopher who was rumoured to discuss trades and slave swaps in the gladiatorial battles. He made a name for himself when posed a series of seemingly complex questions with open-ended solutions. Being savvy, but also bordering an IQ that most would see as being ******ed, he took the easy route every time and had a 53% strike rate, which was enough for his legacy to still hold to this day.

Using Occam, applied mathematics and sprinkled with hearsay I’ve calculated Chad to Freo at 58% 2024 and 178% for 2025…

Occam was a place not a person.

 

[Cobbler]

Occam was a place not a person.

I mean… according to history.

I’m talking about old mate Occam… Razor who was the cousin of William.

 

[Cobbler]

Occam was a place not a person.

Slight oversight. The rest of my original post is very factual.

 

[bellie4pm]

Clarification please

If we retire someone / someone retires, does their payout come out of our salary cap for next year? Or is this a oneoff payout separate from the cap?

If its the former, then keeping fyfe, jom and walters make a lot of sense next year to then have more cap space for warner end of next season.

If its the latter, then if kossie is even vaguely an option, you would surely be clearing the decks to make cap space for him as needed?

Ta for help

 

[go_the_dockers]

Clarification please

If we retire someone / someone retires, does their payout come out of our salary cap for next year? Or is this a oneoff payout separate from the cap?

If its the former, then keeping fyfe, jom and walters make a lot of sense next year to then have more cap space for warner end of next season.

If its the latter, then if kossie is even vaguely an option, you would surely be clearing the decks to make cap space for him as needed?

Ta for help

If someone choses to retire, then they may choose to cancel their contract. (No money from camp)
There may be a wink wink deal, to give them a new non playing role.


If you retire someone, you are at the players mercy. They may take a percentage of the money owed, they may take the full salary.

 

[Cobbler]

If someone choses to retire, then they may choose to cancel their contract. (No money from camp)
There may be a wink wink deal, to give them a new non playing role.


If you retire someone, you are at the players mercy. They may take a percentage of the money owed, they may take the full salary.

So the question becomes how many winks will it take?

 

[arsesmart]

Clarification please

If we retire someone / someone retires, does their payout come out of our salary cap for next year? Or is this a oneoff payout separate from the cap?

If its the former, then keeping fyfe, jom and walters make a lot of sense next year to then have more cap space for warner end of next season.

If its the latter, then if kossie is even vaguely an option, you would surely be clearing the decks to make cap space for him as needed?

Ta for help

Simple answer...any money a contracted player gets from the club is allocated under the TPP (ex-gratia included).

As said above, in such a scenario it's the player's decision to hold the club to the contract or not.