List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[Dockeroo]

I’m at least 48 hours and 10 pages late to this latest round of debate over salaries, etc., but could someone please do a tired, old mind a favour by answering a few questions for me?

Do we have any reliable information on:

*whether match payments count towards the salary cap, or are rather payments over and above?
*whether match payments are a defined amount, and the same for all players?

The piece from The Age linked to earlier suggests a defined amount and from the cap. That means that the available amount for distribution is actually less than the cap (I.e. 23 rounds x 23 players x $5000 = $2.645mill less). Anyone able to access anything official that supports or refutes this notion?

This is part of the reason why I am unable to put any faith in the “reported” salaries of any player. How does the player/manager, let alone the reporter, know whether the player is going to play all 23 games? Sure, they’re probably reporting to the top figure, but then that surely applies also to any bonuses/incentives that are also built into the contract. So Darcy (e.g.) is almost never getting paid his $750k pa because he is not in every year playing every game and getting AA / top 5 Doig / whatever high performance benchmark you want to set.

The numbers being bandied about in the press / online are pure fiction, if only because they can’t ALL be true, given that only 23 players per team play each round, there are only 10 players in the top 10 Brownlow, only 22 players in the AA squad, etc., etc.

TL;DR you can't just add up the reported salaries to work out if we have cap space.

I got a whole other thought about contracts / renewals and salary cap management, but I’ve already avoided work for too long.

As I understand it, match payments are only for lower ranked players on a list.
Jeremy Cameron is not getting a $5k match payment every time he plays a game for example!

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Hard to move Young out of the midfield when he became the best inside 50 kick in the comp :s

Again, part time, all of them wpuld.need 2nd positions

 

[Purple Suit]

I understand but that's in a team without Bolton and Chad, two very attacking players. Not sure there is room and Young is the only who can play back

Move Brayshaw to the defensive mid role. Warner / Bolton a 70 / 30 split with the extra spot. Young & Serong stay the same.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Move Brayshaw to the defensive mid role. Warner / Bolton a 70 / 30 split with the extra spot. Young & Serong stay the same.

Why not share the love across the lines? Young is currently our only offensive midfielder but that changes with those two and the backline could use some more class. It's not like he'd be wasted resting down back.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Why not share the love across the lines? Young is currently our only offensive midfielder but that changes with those two and the backline could use some more class. It's not like he'd be wasted resting down back.

I think resting the mids forward and back, should help our last quarters.

Hopefully the mids are fresher.

 

[arsesmart]

Who was the poster on here that spent ages complaining about how many skinny half back flankers we drafted year on year? You'd think we should have half a dozen of these types waiting in the wings.

It twas a running gag.... so no one poster jumped on that bandwagon.

But we should be looking for the sexy mind and kick. Someone who sees the game three steps ahead and can then surgically pinpoint the audacious kick required.

 

[arsesmart]

I think resting the mids forward and back, should help our last quarters.

Hopefully the mids are fresher.

Any which way, more mids are required.

 

[s_wd6]

Why not share the love across the lines? Young is currently our only offensive midfielder but that changes with those two and the backline could use some more class. It's not like he'd be wasted resting down back.

Young adds significantly more as a mid resting forward than he would do as a defender. So many times towards the end of the season watching him and thinking to myself that it's only a matter of when, not if, he will become our best player.

Chapman can add that class of half back once our KPDs are back from injuries and he's freed up a bit.

 

[Purple Suit]

Why not share the love across the lines? Young is currently our only offensive midfielder but that changes with those two and the backline could use some more class. It's not like he'd be wasted resting down back.

I'm not sure you get a rest at Half back or Half forward in the modern game. Rolling Ras, Johnson and Switta through there will probably still be handy though.

 

[Yeti]

Think people are setting themselves up for disappointment if they're expecting more than one big fish this off season. Bolton, probably Martin. 0% chance we're getting Chad or Pickett this year.

If we get Martin I'll spew up.

 

[s_wd6]

If we get Martin I'll spew up.

Get the bag ready

 

[pK75]

Why not share the love across the lines? Young is currently our only offensive midfielder but that changes with those two and the backline could use some more class. It's not like he'd be wasted resting down back.

They don’t like messing with the back 7 because they all need to learn how to handover effectively when one leaves their man to try to impact the contest/create a contest, adding a mid rotation could cause more confusion than good. Forward lines likes confusion and rotation of mids forward can disrupt the opposition backline matchups, it’s why Jackson is more dangerous as the ruck drifting forward than as a starting forward, the backs have to scramble to cover a 200cm player wandering forward.

 

[GingerDocker]

Get the bag ready

 

[fnerd]

Wouldn’t mind another left footer added as a half back or outside mid.
It’s one of the reasons I like NOD.
Left footed players are a nice point of difference sometimes

Check out Harrison Oliver.

Almost complete package what your looking for , especially as HBF
Left footer with good kicking skills and known tough competitor

If we hold onto the saints pick I’m hoping he makes it to there

 

[Dirty_banchez]

If we get Martin I'll spew up.

He's coming.

 

[Yeti]

Get the bag ready

I mean..... if you insist.

 

[DragoDelph]

I mean..... if you insist.

Don't think we're getting Bailey Sniff.

 

[Purple Suit]

If we get Martin I'll spew up.

It seems insane to me. He's like a poor man's Harley Bennell with the same injury history but he's about the 1/4 of the player and has never put it all together in a game, let alone a season or block of games. Not sure what his 0.88 goals per game are really going to do for us if we get injuries and by a miracle, he's not injured too.

I'd rather get the very last rookie available mature ager from the state leagues.


Unless - Jack Martin means Pickett will come too with Bolton.

 

[bruzaar62]

Just gonna leave this here

Ok I’ll admit I have a lot of time up my sleeve atm-in a moonboot for a few weeks -
So I have taken to watching YouTube vids especially of one Shai Bolton.
Man if I wasn’t a convert already I certainly am now.
This bloke can do absolutely everything -taking hangers,lateral movement insane,kicking goals from 50 ,snapping goals from anywhere and my favourite -really good at crumbing and getting to the drop zone.
Ok he might miss the odd goal but I like that he backs himself in and has a crack -something we really lack.
He is going to cost a kings ransom - but I think he can make Fremantle great again
Must get!!

 

[CapitalA]

Morris has been pretty strong since the start on it being 9 and the Port pick (from his opinion, not a sauce) to be fair.

I'm with Drago thinking it gets done quickly and is pretty far progressed. From my understanding, Morris might have told another poster on here discussions are very far along...

He's also said his real trade value is a first and a 2nd rounder on back chat interview.

 

[Swiggy]

He's also said his real trade value is a first and a 2nd rounder on back chat interview.

What he’s worth and what freo will have to pay to get him out are 2 different things

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

What he’s worth and what freo will have to pay to get him out are 2 different things

He's also said his real trade value is a first and a 2nd rounder on back chat interview.

Yeah, basically the only one in the media that has suggested the best two picks is Ralph, which had been surprisingly refreshing compared to the discussions on Baker and Rioli.

I'm pretty happy/confident the only way it's the best two picks is with a shitload of salary and/or pick 21 coming back which is, if not, cheap, a good deal for a talent as good as Bolton

 

[pK75]

What he’s worth and what freo will have to pay to get him out are 2 different things

It does seem like both Richmond and Freo are aligned though, I just hope supporters realise that when we pay what seems like overs it’s actually for salary relief and not that we got bent over a barrel again.
9, 27 actual trade value (even contracted)
9, 14-18, Richmond pay some salary
9.10 Richmond pay enough for us to target Warner as well (though will struggle with picks to get it done, Sydney would need to accept 14-18, 27 and F1)

 

[DQ 4EVER]

Wouldn’t mind another left footer added as a half back or outside mid.
It’s one of the reasons I like NOD.
Left footed players are a nice point of difference sometimes

Xavier Lindsay please

On SM-G960F using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[JammoMonty]

In the scenario we get Bolton and Warner, Young going back to the back part time in the future solves the issue. I think...

Don’t mind this