List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

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I don’t really think three games is a big enough sample size to declare that he will be this great player that. If you were saying it after a full season then sure, but you were saying it after he’d played one league game and I don’t think I’ve seen anyone else as high on him as you are.

If we have to sacrifice someone like Knobel to bring in a Warner or similar then I’d do it every day of the week.
It's the age, basically no 20 year old rucks look as good as he has, even off a limited sample. Without listening to what freo_leo29 heard, it's a fair point that he's possibly trade bait if needed and I should calm down. I agree you let him go to get a big name sorted.
 
It's the age, basically no 20 year old rucks look as good as he has, even off a limited sample. Without listening to what freo_leo29 heard, it's a fair point that he's possibly trade bait if needed and I should calm down. I agree you let him go to get a big name sorted.
I share your sentiment with Knobel. Why not just take the chance and rookie him? If we are tight on list spots there's nothing to lose. He either gets picked up by someone else when delisted or we get him. I like Odin and think he has potential but if you had to choose between the two...
 
It's the age, basically no 20 year old rucks look as good as he has, even off a limited sample. Without listening to what freo_leo29 heard, it's a fair point that he's possibly trade bait if needed and I should calm down. I agree you let him go to get a big name sorted.
I noted he was wearing a Peel top :eyes: when picked out by the cameras with the rest of the boys (Tracey, Darcy, Pearce and few others from memory) up on the hill during the coverage.
 

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I share your sentiment with Knobel. Why not just take the chance and rookie him? If we are tight on list spots there's nothing to lose. He either gets picked up by someone else when delisted or we get him. I like Odin and think he has potential but if you had to choose between the two...
Tight on list spots is not an excuse I'll accept for him to be honest. Not immediately re-signing for trade reasons I'll understand
 
Can someone link Trade Radio please I can't find it anywhere no matter where I look it up, just comes up with old podcasts.
 
Tight on list spots is not an excuse I'll accept for him to be honest. Not immediately re-signing for trade reasons I'll understand
Depends, we may have plans to hold points currency for Brisbane or Gold Coast. so we need 'available' list spots.
 
Can someone link Trade Radio please I can't find it anywhere no matter where I look it up, just comes up with old podcasts.
It was just the launch today.

Replay isn't up yet, but it's all done from the AFL site/app
 
There was a reddit post a month or two ago that someone heard Ollie Eastland, the WA state ruckman on radio say Knobel was his hardest opponent hes faced in 2 years. Can't confirm if it is accurate
 
Depends, we may have plans to hold points currency for Brisbane or Gold Coast. so we need 'available' list spots.
No, I will deadset lose it if they delist to manage list spots. There are much worse players and prospects that should be going ahead of him
And when he's the steak knives that get Melbourne to let Kozzie leave...?
Yes, I understand for trade reasons
 

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I don’t really think three games is a big enough sample size to declare that he will be this great player that. If you were saying it after a full season then sure, but you were saying it after he’d played one league game and I don’t think I’ve seen anyone else as high on him as you are.

If we have to sacrifice someone like Knobel to bring in a Warner or similar then I’d do it every day of the week.
I am 100% with Snuff on this one.
 
Yeah but Blues have a whole midfield the same, especially with Walsh's back being 50 years old already. I still have Kennedy as the best player of the three, but he'll be the cheapest in trade
Idk if this is true generically, but I'd fairly confidently say that this doesn't apply to us. Tall, slow-ish inside mid with iffy skills who has transitioned into being a valuable utility. Isn't that pretty much champagne Banfield? I'd be more interested if he offered more defensively, and while I don't think he's a liability there (he did a couple decent jobs on Fyfe in the past), I don't think he's the answer either.

Especially with Kennedy apparently wanting more midfield time + us having already brought in experienced mids in the past to shunt Raz's and Johnson's inside midfield time, I just don't think he answers as many questions for this team compared to Baker (or even ANB if he was available to us, which he obviously isn't).
 
Even Walters to rookie list would be preferred than losing Knobel because of list spots.
We have an extra list spot available after delisting Keuk as we played with the maximum number of rookies last season. We can gain another list position by delisting either Jones or Stanley for the same reason. Jones was apparently signed to a 1 year rookie deal for some reason/.
 
Idk if this is true generically, but I'd fairly confidently say that this doesn't apply to us. Tall, slow-ish inside mid with iffy skills who has transitioned into being a valuable utility. Isn't that pretty much champagne Banfield? I'd be more interested if he offered more defensively, and while I don't think he's a liability there (he did a couple decent jobs on Fyfe in the past), I don't think he's the answer either.

Especially with Kennedy apparently wanting more midfield time + us having already brought in experienced mids in the past to shunt Raz's and Johnson's inside midfield time, I just don't think he answers as many questions for this team compared to Baker (or even ANB if he was available to us, which he obviously isn't).
I think I'm a bit alone in really wanting to find a "support mid" as much as anything. We can make arguments it should be Johnson, Erasmus or Noddy and I'd understand that but I think our midfield is in danger of looking insane on paper but not working in reality. Adding Bolton and possibly (likely???) Warner sounds incredible but every elite midfield almost ever has had the guy to do what the stars dont want to (or shouldnt be).

Could also argue that's Brayshaw but I just dont think that's best use of his talents. Kennedy therefore is ready to go and would be amazing in that role and if that means not giving opportunities to Johnson or Ras then so be it. Trade one or both of them out and make it work.

Kennedy is also a chance to actually get a player for unders to play in a specific role to actually get value from a trade - the kind of thing we just dont enough IMO. Now, none of this matters because he's not coming here but I think it's an interesting discussion point regardless and at the very least, in any Baker trade, I'm pointing to what Kennedy and ANB go for and arguing there is no chance Baker is then worth a top 20 pick
 
We have an extra list spot available after delisting Keuk as we played with the maximum number of rookies last season. We can gain another list position by delisting either Jones or Stanley for the same reason. Jones was apparently signed to a 1 year rookie deal for some reason/.
The point is, there are options. and delisting Knobel because of limited list spots shouldn't be one of them.
 
I think I'm a bit alone in really wanting to find a "support mid" as much as anything. We can make arguments it should be Johnson, Erasmus or Noddy and I'd understand that but I think our midfield is in danger of looking insane on paper but not working in reality. Adding Bolton and possibly (likely???) Warner sounds incredible but every elite midfield almost ever has had the guy to do what the stars dont want to (or shouldnt be).

Could also argue that's Brayshaw but I just dont think that's best use of his talents. Kennedy therefore is ready to go and would be amazing in that role and if that means not giving opportunities to Johnson or Ras then so be it. Trade one or both of them out and make it work.

Kennedy is also a chance to actually get a player for unders to play in a specific role to actually get value from a trade - the kind of thing we just dont enough IMO. Now, none of this matters because he's not coming here but I think it's an interesting discussion point regardless and at the very least, in any Baker trade, I'm pointing to what Kennedy and ANB go for and arguing there is no chance Baker is then worth a top 20 pick
I think you're right, but Kennedy is not that player. He wants to be in the primary on ball rotation. Any support mid we traded in would still have play near to half their time in another position because Caleb, Andy and Hayden would be in front of them 70% of the time and there is at least two other players in the side who will be competing for the remaining rotations. At the moment it's resolved by our fourth midfielder being on the bench a third of the time because he's old and broken, but that's not ideal to break out ross-speak.
 
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