List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[freo_leo29]

If Geelong are into Martin that's a pretty damn good sign it has some merit

 

[Superkoops]

If Geelong are into Martin that's a pretty damn good sign it has some merit

Regardless is it the best thing for our club. I’m not so sure. He isn’t quick these days. We are retaining Walters on the list.

Look I don’t mind if he is added to rookie list via SSP. I don’t want him taking up a primary list spot. If that is where Geelong add him as DFA then good luck.

 

[Swiggy]

So Jack Martin looks Geelong bound now?

Wonder if freo will target another small forward now. Think Bolton will happen but clearly Freo wanted 2 as have been linked with Martin & Joe Richards

 

[Alfonz]

So Jack Martin looks Geelong bound now?

Sounds like it. But I don't think they have done a medical yet. Maybe he failed ours (and Carlton's) and his manager has cast the net elsewhere.

Reports are he wants to stay in Victoria and could get 350-400k from Geelong (Jay Clark making that number up, so could be bogus). But that's money we don't have to spare on such a risky player from an injury standpoint. At Freo he would have to be on a base 150k type salary with match payment incentives.

If Geelong are into Martin that's a pretty damn good sign it has some merit

The idea has some merit. He's an AFL quality forward when fit. But decent chance he doesn't get on the park much. To quote the news.com.au article from today ... "The Herald Sun’s Josh Barnes pointed to Gary Ablett and Gary Rohan as some examples of Geelong’s success with that approach, although he also brought up the likes of Jonathon Ceglar, Shaun Higgins, Josh Jenkins, Jack Steven and Aaron Black as proof it doesn’t always work out."

 

[Taylor]

Lincoln McCarthy

11

Lincoln Mccarthy

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31

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178cm

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82kg

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Fwd

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Last 5

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11.6

3star

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6.8

3star

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4.9

4star

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2.6

3star

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3.2

5star

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0.9

4star

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9.1

2star

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5.4

2star

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3.7

3star

M

2.6

3star

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3.3

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0.9

4star

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9.2

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5.4

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3.8

3star

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1.6

2star

T

2.2

4star

G

0.0

1star

and Cockatoo were two that looked to extend their careers away from Geelong after being injured forever.

 

[s_wd6]

Sounds like it. But I don't think they have done a medical yet. Maybe he failed ours (and Carlton's) and his manager has cast the net elsewhere.

Reports are he wants to stay in Victoria and could get 350-400k from Geelong (Jay Clark making that number up, so could be bogus). But that's money we don't have to spare on such a risky player from an injury standpoint. At Freo he would have to be on a base 150k type salary with match payment incentives.




The idea has some merit. He's an AFL quality forward when fit. But decent chance he doesn't get on the park much. To quote the news.com.au article from today ... "The Herald Sun’s Josh Barnes pointed to Gary Ablett and Gary Rohan as some examples of Geelong’s success with that approach, although he also brought up the likes of Jonathon Ceglar, Shaun Higgins, Josh Jenkins, Jack Steven and Aaron Black as proof it doesn’t always work out."

Reports he wants to stay in Victoria….after reports that he wants to return to WA or QLD lol

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Sounds like it. But I don't think they have done a medical yet. Maybe he failed ours (and Carlton's) and his manager has cast the net elsewhere.

Reports are he wants to stay in Victoria and could get 350-400k from Geelong (Jay Clark making that number up, so could be bogus). But that's money we don't have to spare on such a risky player from an injury standpoint. At Freo he would have to be on a base 150k type salary with match payment incentives.




The idea has some merit. He's an AFL quality forward when fit. But decent chance he doesn't get on the park much. To quote the news.com.au article from today ... "The Herald Sun’s Josh Barnes pointed to Gary Ablett and Gary Rohan as some examples of Geelong’s success with that approach, although he also brought up the likes of Jonathon Ceglar, Shaun Higgins, Josh Jenkins, Jack Steven and Aaron Black as proof it doesn’t always work out."

My God, he is not getting 400k from anyone, I need to be a journalist. What a piss easy job.

 

[arsesmart]

Sounds like it. But I don't think they have done a medical yet. Maybe he failed ours (and Carlton's) and his manager has cast the net elsewhere.

Reports are he wants to stay in Victoria and could get 350-400k from Geelong (Jay Clark making that number up, so could be bogus). But that's money we don't have to spare on such a risky player from an injury standpoint. At Freo he would have to be on a base 150k type salary with match payment incentives.




The idea has some merit. He's an AFL quality forward when fit. But decent chance he doesn't get on the park much. To quote the news.com.au article from today ... "The Herald Sun’s Josh Barnes pointed to Gary Ablett and Gary Rohan as some examples of Geelong’s success with that approach, although he also brought up the likes of Jonathon Ceglar, Shaun Higgins, Josh Jenkins, Jack Steven and Aaron Black as proof it doesn’t always work out."

Aaron Black!! Classic trade mirage.

 

[Serongadongdong]

If Geelong are into Martin that's a pretty damn good sign it has some merit

It's a stitch up!

 

[arsesmart]

My God, he is not getting 400k from anyone, I need to be a journalist. What a piss easy job.

400 is below AFL average though.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

400 is below AFL average though.

He is 30 and however he spins it, was delisted. He has arguably less pay value than Hamling (who was at least injury free) and he went for nothing AND was wanted by his club. He's on base wherever he goes.

 

[Docker82]

Get the rivalry reasoning but it's hurting both clubs who pay overs to get West Aussies back to WA when there are plenty at both clubs that could be traded. We bleat about all the disadvantages the WA clubs get but this doesn't help the cause.

As I said in my post I think it's just as much the players not wanting to go from one team to the other than the clubs not wanting to trade with each other.

Rivalries don't exist the same way in the AFL outside of WA and SA. There's too many teams in Victoria and GWS and GC are too plastic to have proper rivalries with Sydney and Brisbane respectively.

 

[rgauci]

I’m starting to feel sick at the idea of giving 9,10 and 16(?) for Bolton / Baker. They don’t move the needle as much as we perceive. Especially if we can’t sign NOD to an extension.

If it’s all 3, we need to get 3 high 2nd rounders back. Two picks in the 20s and their 2nd rounder next year.

 

[arsesmart]

He is 30 and however he spins it, was delisted. He has arguably less pay value than Hamling (who was at least injury free) and he went for nothing AND was wanted by his club. He's on base wherever he goes.

Fair enough points. But if there's a multi-team market, then that'll weight his wages to some degree.

 

[dont bowl there]

As I said in my post I think it's just as much the players not wanting to go from one team to the other than the clubs not wanting to trade with each other.

Rivalries don't exist the same way in the AFL outside of WA and SA. There's too many teams in Victoria and GWS and GC are too plastic to have proper rivalries with Sydney and Brisbane respectively.

Might well be the case, just seems odd that there hasn't been a trade in almost 25 years. Could be that players don't want to move clubs or that they don't request a trade knowing that the trade isn't likely to get done.

Also, there are absolutely rivalries in Melbourne that are equal to the derby. It's been about 12 years since I lived in Perth but from afar the derby seems to be a lot less tribal than it once was.

 

[Taylor]

They don’t move the needle as much as we perceive.

Bolton, just Bolton is 1.5x the scoring impact of our best non tall forward, Michael Frederick.

Replacing our two worst performing small forwards with Bolton and Baker adds 220 score involvements

 

[MadMundy]

Jack Darling

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Jack Darling

Age

32

Ht

191cm

Wt

95kg

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Fwd

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12.1

3star

K

7.9

3star

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4.2

3star

M

5.0

5star

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3.0

5star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

4.3

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.4

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

14.6

4star

K

7.6

3star

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7.0

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

4.0

5star

G

1.4

5star

officially requested a move to North Melbourne.

 

[go_the_dockers]

I’m starting to feel sick at the idea of giving 9,10 and 16(?) for Bolton / Baker. They don’t move the needle as much as we perceive. Especially if we can’t sign NOD to an extension.

If it’s all 3, we need to get 3 high 2nd rounders back. Two picks in the 20s and their 2nd rounder next year.

Careful, people on here don't like it if you question bringing in Bolton.

 

[rgauci]

Bolton, just Bolton is 1.5x the scoring impact of our best non tall forward, Michael Frederick.

Replacing our two worst performing small forwards with Bolton and Baker adds 220 score involvements

I disagree. You haven’t subtracted the score involvements of the players they are replacing. Say Banfield and Walters.

We haven’t replacing JOM / Fyfe who are BOG average on 2024 form and need upgrading. Say we replace one with Erasmus and the other with NOD (assuming we kepp him)

I don’t think Bolton, Baker, NOD, Erasmus for Banfield, Walters, JOM and Fyfe moves the needle enough.

What will actually move the needle is full preseasons for Darcy and Cox. Injury free years for our talls, which is no guarantee.

I don’t see the need to lose 3 firsts for Baker and Bolton. Baker is Reece Conca level and Bolton is a star, but has below average goal accuracy and suboptimal defensive pressure.

 

[eastfreo75]

Jack Darling officially requested a move to North Melbourne.

North Melbourne is crutching at straws.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Careful, people on here don't like it if you question bringing in Bolton.

Because it's actually crazy that people can be so against it tbh. It doesnt make any real sense

 

[MadMundy]

North Melbourne is crutching at straws.

Reminds me of Moe on the lie detector from The Simpsons

"Can we get this moving we just signed Dustin Martin, buzz Andrew Gaff, buzz Josh Kelly, buzz Griffin Logue, buzz alright alright we signed Jared Polec!! buzz Jack Darling ding"

 

[Dirty_banchez]

My God, he is not getting 400k from anyone, I need to be a journalist. What a piss easy job.

I hereby declare you to be a Journalist.

 

[AstonSouffle]

Still think we're not as good as we think, obviously Banfield, Fyfe, O'Meara, Aish, and Freddy if he keeps blowing hot and cold the way he does need to be replaced by players who perform well consistently.

Potential replacements, Erasmus, Noddy, and Bolton, Warner, Martin, and Pickett.

Even if we get all of them, where's the depth here? That's the part where I think it's a missed opportunity if we don't take at least one decent pick this draft.

 

[Taylor]

I disagree. You haven’t subtracted the score involvements of the players they are replacing. Say Banfield and Walters.

Banfield was our best forward by score involvements and goals scored.

But even with those two you've chosen, there's 60 more score involvements with Baker and Bolton. Let's say it's 180 points across the 23 games, so 8 points a game.

We then beat the Blues (10 points with that extra kick from a double goal), Power (3 points), Pies, Bombers

That puts us at 2nd on the ladder.

That's plenty of needle moving