List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[Purple Suit]

I'm just annoyed how much baker is gonna cost

If our plan is to play him as the defensive mid that we are sorely lacking then I can see why we want him so bad tbh

I think it will be worth it. Baker is a clutch, one touch player who is 26. Watching our last month we needed more like that.

Get Bolton & him in and don’t lose anyone and we’re top 4 last year. Add in more natural improvement than decline and we’re challenging.

 

[Purpletown]

I think it will be worth it. Baker is a clutch, one touch player who is 26. Watching our last month we needed more like that.

Get Bolton & him in and don’t lose anyone and we’re top 4 last year. Add in more natural improvement than decline and we’re challenging.

Baker is no chance to rest on his laurels if he were to end up at Freo. He would be a valuable asset for us. Whether his price is too high or not is another matter altogether.

 

[Superkoops]

If we retain our players and just add Bolton I’m actually ok with that. We can shuffle draft picks and set ourselves up nicely.

Baker will be an early second round pick trade. He is out of contract, but unlikely to force a PSD demand. So there will be a slight sweetener to the deal for Richmond.

WC has pick 23 - that alone wont get the deal done.

There are three potential FA compo picks that could all settle before pick 23 - Battle, Membrey, Cumming. Even Graham is offered 4 years so he could get band 3 which would be a draft pick after Richmond’s first round pick. So that 23 could be 26. Membrey actually prob band 3 and therefore after St Kilda second round.

Our pick 27 therefore becomes pick 30. Absolutely no chance of getting the deal done. Richmond will only want early picks. Our best bet is tying it in with Bolton and that will involve pick 9 and 10.

If Baker chooses WC then the reward is we will keep one of the two early picks.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

I'm just annoyed how much baker is gonna cost

If our plan is to play him as the defensive mid that we are sorely lacking then I can see why we want him so bad tbh

Surely Baker's too short to be the primary defensive mid, right? Bedford is probably the shortest guy that gets that role (his is more specific opponent tagging than general defensive mid) and even he's a fair bit taller.

 

[go_the_dockers]

I'm just annoyed how much baker is gonna cost

If our plan is to play him as the defensive mid that we are sorely lacking then I can see why we want him so bad tbh

Surely Baker's too short to be the primary defensive mid, right? Bedford is probably the shortest guy that gets that role (his is more specific opponent tagging than general defensive mid) and even he's a fair bit taller.

I doubt we will see him in the centre square.

He can play back flank, inside mid or forward flank very well.

 

[mattis117]

Surely Baker's too short to be the primary defensive mid, right? Bedford is probably the shortest guy that gets that role (his is more specific opponent tagging than general defensive mid) and even he's a fair bit taller.

He'll be one of the cogs that moves through the middle. Personally I'm hoping Erasmus puts a bit more size on over this off-season and takes up that role. NOD is a possible for it as well.

Two biggest holes in the 22 are small forward and replacing Fyfe. We should be able to fill both through either trades or natural development from within.

 

[apuchar]

Wasn't a great call by Hamling

MAINSTAY HAWK APPROACHED BY RIVALS

Key Hawthorn defensive figure Sam Frost

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Sam Frost

Age

31

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.4

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.9

4star

MG

191.6

3star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.3

3star

HB

4.3

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

191.6

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

4star

has reportedly been approached by Sydney, as the club looks to sharpen its defensive stocks heading into 2025.

 

[Ge3ks]

Wasn't a great call by Hamling

MAINSTAY HAWK APPROACHED BY RIVALS

Key Hawthorn defensive figure Sam Frost has reportedly been approached by Sydney, as the club looks to sharpen its defensive stocks heading into 2025.

Sydney have turned Hamling into a forward.

 

[go_the_dockers]

DragoDelph - can you change the Poll for the thread, to be "What is the maximum you would pay for Shai Bolton

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Shai Bolton

Age

25

Ht

176cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.3

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

9.2

4star

HB

3.5

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.8

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

?"

I saw the same poll on Twitter, but I can't change it.

Options
9 or 10
9 and 25
9 and 17
9 and 10

Thanks

 

[Boppo]

Don't think I'm going ahead on this one at all. He's not Pearce, Ryan or Cox but he's best 22 for a lot of teams throughout the competition IMO.

Unlike Logue I think he's worth doing everything we can to keep. He can actually kick for a start.

He's NOT a state league player.

He was necessarily fast tracked to become a reliable replacement for a key back but there were games towards the end where he really started to take the opposition head on and run at them. He can take that experience black to the reserves and learn to dominate as an attacking defender, not just defend.

 

[eastfreo75]

He'll be one of the cogs that moves through the middle. Personally I'm hoping Erasmus puts a bit more size on over this off-season and takes up that role. NOD is a possible for it as well.

Two biggest holes in the 22 are small forward and replacing Fyfe. We should be able to fill both through either trades or natural development from within.

Fyfe performance was all over the shop.

Can Erasmus go past Fyfe of 2024? I think he can.

Bolton will fill small forward hole in spades.

 

[go_the_dockers]

DragoDelph - can you change the Poll for the thread, to be "What is the maximum you would pay for Shai Bolton?"

I saw the same poll on Twitter, but I can't change it.

Options
9 or 10
9 and 25
9 and 17
9 and 10

Thanks

DragoDelph -Thanks

I am not sure which one has more value.

9 and 17 or 9 and a F1.

I think that is a 50/50 call.

 

[eastfreo75]

DragoDelph - can you change the Poll for the thread, to be "What is the maximum you would pay for Shai Bolton?"

I saw the same poll on Twitter, but I can't change it.

Options
9 or 10
9 and 25
9 and 17
9 and 10

Thanks

9 and 17 seems fine with me.

Stills gives us picks 10,25 to go to the draft.

 

[DragoDelph]

DragoDelph -Thanks

I am not sure which one has more value.

9 and 17 or 9 and a F1.

I think that is a 50/50 call.

Depends on how you think we'll go next year really.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Bolton will fill small forward hole in spades.

Assuming we get Bolton, I really hope we get another small forward with him.

I think to get value from him, you need him running through the middle at least 15% of the game, and roaming up the ground for large chunks of the rest of the game.

Would love for the 7 forwards to be

Amiss, Treacy, Jackson, Sturt
Switta, Bolton, (Forward pocket e.g. Berry or Hannaford)

Switta could even be moved into the midfield rotation, if we had another quality small forward.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Can I ask for a slight addendum that it be 9 and 10 with salary paid and picks?

 

[go_the_dockers]

Depends on how you think we'll go next year really.

How the drafts compare?
How much a discount you get for delaying the picks you take?
Where you think we will end up?

You would have to bet we end with pick 11 to 16 next year.

 

[DragoDelph]

Can I ask for a slight addendum that it be 9 and 10 with salary paid and picks?

It would have to be assumed at that point, right?

 

[wakojako]

If Warner or Kozzie are in contention next year we won't be giving up F1.

 

[eastfreo75]

Assuming we get Bolton, I really hope we get another small forward with him.

I think to get value from him, you need him running through the middle at least 15% of the game, and roaming up the ground for large chunks of the rest of the game.

Would love for the 7 forwards to be

Amiss, Treacy, Jackson, Sturt
Switta, Bolton, (Forward pocket e.g. Berry or Hannaford)

Switta could even be moved into the midfield rotation, if we had another quality small forward.

Bolton can play midfield minutes as well.

If we go to the draft with picks 10, 26 and go small forwards. We would have high percentage of nailing one of the picks if not both. Strong draft for 10-30.

Seems like you are no fan of Freddy. People look at the lack of tackle count and you maybe in that camp. I look at the type of tackle, how many broken tackles, and how many times players overreach and create an overlap. While Freddy has a low tackle count, but the team needs some purely outside players. It's not good too many players getting sucked into the ball, and it exposes you on the outside.

Run down tackles in my eyes is more value than pack tackle. Plus, I see players go for a tackle they are unlikely to make and just create overlaps. Better to channel them down the sideline and force them to kick over hands and create a high kick. Therefore, allows the defense a few more seconds to set up behind the ball.

Was I've noticed about Freddy he closes the distance to the ball carrier and forces long kicks or increase the time for the short pass. The next mark is man up straight away which leads to slow movement from the opposition, Therefore, Freddy values his impact on the movement coming out from D50.

 

[eastfreo75]

Can I ask for a slight addendum that it be 9 and 10 with salary paid and picks?

Devil is in the detail.

In principle I am ok with this because salary cap space has value.

 

[eastfreo75]

If Warner or Kozzie are in contention next year we won't be giving up F1.

I personally wouldn't given any future picks at this trade period.

We have enough trade assets this year to get Bolton and still has two picks in the top 30.

If we do go after, Warner or Kozzie we will have 2025,2026,2027 first round picks to trade plus 2025 second round pick.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Seems like you are no fan of Freddy. People look at the lack of tackle count and you maybe in that camp. I look at the type of tackle, how many broken tackles, and how many times players overreach and create an overlap. While Freddy has a low tackle count, but the team needs some purely outside players. It's not good too many players getting sucked into the ball, and it exposes you on the outside.

Run down tackles in my eyes is more value than pack tackle. Plus, I see players go for a tackle they are unlikely to make and just create overlaps. Better to channel them down the sideline and force them to kick over hands and create a high kick. Therefore, allows the defense a few more seconds to set up behind the ball.

Was I've noticed about Freddy he closes the distance to the ball carrier and forces long kicks or increase the time for the short pass. The next mark is man up straight away which leads to slow movement from the opposition, Therefore, Freddy values his impact on the movement coming out from D50.

I just think we need another small, who is good at getting front and center, and roving the ball.

I can see a role for Freddy on the wing.

Maybe Switta and Freddy each play 50/50 forward and mid and we can fit both in.

I also have not seen anther defensive pressure from Freddy. Maybe this is incorrect, but with Switta being top 10 in the doig, Sturt being a golden boy in my eyes, Bolton being Bolton, and myself wanting a small forward then Freddy was the one who had to go.

 

[TheMcManusNose]

I’d argue you need to be taking more not less rookie and late picks when you are in the top 4.
Geelong certainly don’t seem to turn over their list any less aggressively in the last 15 years or so.

They are the most active club in Ireland for example, and always seems to be rookie drafting guys like Dempsey, Close, Atkins, and using late picks on Humphries and the likes.

My point has always been that 18 months or two years is ample time for a rookie to demonstrate what they can do or even show signs of being a future piece, and if the club believes they won’t make it after seeing them for that duration as a listed player - ship them out and get the next one in.

Clinging on an extra year or two on the list to the likes of Sebit Kuek, Isiah Butters, Eric Benning, Jarvis Pina, Jason Carter, Tobe Watson, even Ethan Stanley this year potentially, means there’s less chances of finding those diamonds in the rough like Treacy and Draper.

Its a bit different for top 30 picks as the sunk cost fallacy becomes a genuine issue for all clubs so they often give an extra year or years for players to show they are at the level when drafted in this range.

Interesting thought, this was probably an area we have failed at through the 2010s as you point out.

Treacy is an interesting case. He broke out in his 4th season but didn’t have much more than glimpses through the other years. But he got games as we had very few options and he managed to get past his competition.

The game time opportunity ship has sailed, you need to perform or not play. There are no longer development spots in the team. Therefore the chances of a rookie hitting our list in 2024 & breaking out in 2028 are probably tiny. Especially since there is no Covid to mask a rookie picks production.

Who ever fills those last few list spots probably needs to be a mature age player for more impact. Keeping them or picking up a new one doesn’t really matter.

Disagree on Treacy. I thought it was clearly apparent from year 1 that there was immense promise there. And I think that's the qualifier - if there isn't in year 1 or 2 then goodbye. If there's a clear potential ok keep the player.

 

[tonygeeks]

Poor Barrett having to put his name to that stupidity

Cmon anyone can see after watching these finals that if we can get our pressure gauge down to 50 we are moral certainties for the flag


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