Mega Thread 2024 Media & Miscellaneous Thread

[Joao]

Assuming it was a Freo thing, they talked about Sharp, Hogan, Darcy, Darcy <-> Hipwood (which sounded totally hypothetical).

Honestly got nothing out of it but I was only half listening so maybe somebody else might have noticed something.


I do expect Sharp to be a thing at the end of the year but I already thought that.

 

[Purple Jesus]

**** it, I'll listen. This better be good Snuff.

Edit: a gaggle of flogs talking over the top of each other.

 

[wakojako]

I'm on a mission to try to feed rumours without costing people scoops and betraying trust

Okay so without betraying trust, the thing that they mentioned have you heard from another source ignoring how credible or realistic that is?

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

* it, I'll listen. This better be good Snuff.

Edit: a gaggle of flogs talking over the top of each other.

When I posted originally I just wanted to see if anyone else thought the Darcy comment was odd or it was just some confirmation bias on my part haha. Apologies for the fuss and time wasted

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Okay so without betraying trust, the thing that they mentioned have you heard from another source ignoring how credible or realistic that is?

I think there’s a lot of Naughton smoke and only two players on our list that are out of contract in the next year or so that have the currency required to get something to work

 

[Purple Jesus]

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When I posted originally I just wanted to see if anyone else thought the Darcy comment was odd or it was just some confirmation bias on my part haha. Apologies for the fuss and time wasted

If we traded Darcy for ****ing Hipwood, I'm not sure I could go on as a sane human.

Didn't read anything into his comments though, was just throw away rubbish as they competed for volume against each other. What a painful listen.

 

[wakojako]

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If we traded Darcy for ******* Hipwood, I'm not sure I could go on as a sane human.

Didn't read anything into his comments though, was just throw away rubbish as they competed for volume against each other. What a painful listen.

Nah there is nothing to this rumor it's just a theoretical where we trade Darcy for Naughton.

 

[Joao]

I think there’s a lot of Naughton smoke and only two players on our list that are out of contract in the next year or so that have the currency required to get something to work

I would never have done it before the Jackson trade happened (and ignoring the fact that humans have feelings), I would 100% give up Darcy + something to get Naughton. The kicking for goal worries me but the 50 goals he does kick plus his presence alone would make Amiss more effective. In that scenario you hope Kuek or Treacy come on enough to be the f50 ruckman.

Can't see it happening though as I don't think we'd push Darcy (rightly so).

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I would never have done it before the Jackson trade happened (and ignoring the fact that humans have feelings), I would 100% give up Darcy + something to get Naughton. The kicking for goal worries me but the 50 goals he does kick plus his presence alone would make Amiss more effective. In that scenario you hope Kuek or Treacy come on enough to be the f50 ruckman.

Can't see it happening though as I don't think we'd push Darcy (rightly so).

Yeah, I’m sure we wouldn’t push Darcy but I am very confident we are at minimum chasing Naughton very hard and have been for a while (to be clear, chasing is very different to actually getting him, I am not confident we get him) and specifically we want him as soon as possible. To do that there has to be a plan to actually pay for him

 

[wakojako]

I think there’s a lot of Naughton smoke and only two players on our list that are out of contract in the next year or so that have the currency required to get something to work

Thanks for sharing! I know it's just a theoretical so nothing to read too much into. I would prefer we hit the draft for another KPF though. This is why I really want to give Treacy every chance possible to see what he has got. If he doesn't have it than we need to move on asap.

 

[s_wd6]

Darcy bleeds purple. Always adamantly denies any trade rumours. Would not want to be trading away someone like that at all. Especially not for another big fish trade that would blow up in our face like everything else.

 

[gaskin]

It was all a hypothetical and they specified "outlandish" when giving examples of how a mid-season trade period might work while also mentioning how our list managers don't have the mindset of American GMs who make list changes throughout the season. Xavier basically said if Brisbane need a ruckman and we need a forward, we believe Jackson can be the sole ruckman and Brisbane believe they could win a flag with just Gunston and Daniher, we could go up to Brisbane and say we'll give you Darcy for Hipwood and have both parties shake hands and that's that.

It was nothing more than outlandish speculation while showing how American General Managers with a more ruthless mindset might handle it.

 

[Hamann188]

The whole trading away for a big fish goal kicking forward really seems like a waste to me.

We usually have to give up a list player plus a draft pick(s) for somebody who more often than not turns into a dud.

What's wrong with taking the time, drafting a young player who has the potential to be what we want them to be and then developing them.

This is why I want to see games into guys like Treacy, Sturt, Ras and Johnson. Rather than going for the shortcut, quick fix, lets build a brand.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

The whole trading away for a big fish goal kicking forward really seems like a waste to me.

We usually have to give up a list player plus a draft pick(s) for somebody who more often than not turns into a dud.

What's wrong with taking the time, drafting a young player who has the potential to be what we want them to be and then developing them.

This is why I want to see games into guys like Treacy, Sturt, Ras and Johnson. Rather than going for the shortcut, quick fix, lets build a brand.

While we are all big on our drafting, they aren’t sure hits. They also take time to develop. If you could plunk Curnow into this team and it cost Darcy, would you do it?

 

[estibador]

I'd argue it shouldn't be about projecting how you hope. You don't logically spend what we spent on hope.

Ignoring the hope vs expect semantics for a moment, draft picks are all about gambling on hope. And there's a pretty strong argument that using them on someone like Jackson is less of a gamble on hope than actually using them on unknown quantities in the draft.

I get the feeling Geelong, for example, have adopted a philosophy in recent times that draft picks are somewhat overvalued compared to known AFL quantities.

 

[Hamann188]

While we are all big on our drafting, they aren’t sure hits. They also take time to develop. If you could plunk Curnow into this team and it cost Darcy, would you do it?

Its a fair question, and on paper or in theory or whatever you like then the answer is a definite yes.

But a couple of years ago there was this superstar full forward called Jesse Hogan who I lost my sh*t over hoping he'd come and kick 8 goals a week for us.

Just because Curnow is a catch for Carlton, doesn't necessarily mean he'll be a catch for us.

And how much would he cost us to import, at least with our 3 forwards they only cost us a draft pick each, plus we have had teh time to develop them and instill our culture into them.

If nothing else, it seems the most economical choice.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Its a fair question, and on paper or in theory or whatever you like then the answer is a definite yes.

But a couple of years ago there was this superstar full forward called Jesse Hogan who I lost my sh*t over hoping he'd come and kick 8 goals a week for us.

Just because Curnow is a catch for Carlton, doesn't necessarily mean he'll be a catch for us.

And how much would he cost us to import, at least with our 3 forwards they only cost us a draft pick each, plus we have had teh time to develop them and instill our culture into them.

If nothing else, it seems the most economical choice.

Yeah it’s a cop out I suppose but Hogan was probably the riskiest trade we could have made, like, it had potential to blow up in so many ways. I hope anyone we bring in now doesn’t have the injury and off field issues he has.

I get the drafting thing, it’s always the cheapest way to bring talent in but I think any drafted KPF now is too late tbh. Brayshaw would be like 30 by the time they are entering their prime

 

[DQ 4EVER]

Jackson kicked two brilliant goals on the weekend, one from in play (rare for a ruckman) and one from a contested mark. If that’s a bad game I can’t wait for his good ones.

and he also stopped the evils from taking intercept marks, which they usually rely upon

 

[Hamann188]

Yeah it’s a cop out I suppose but Hogan was probably the riskiest trade we could have made, like, it had potential to blow up in so many ways. I hope anyone we bring in now doesn’t have the injury and off field issues he has.

I get the drafting thing, it’s always the cheapest way to bring talent in but I think any drafted KPF now is too late tbh. Brayshaw would be like 30 by the time they are entering their prime

I think we've just gotta be really careful about how we import player to fill in the gaps in the future.

I hope we never pay as much as we did for Jackson ever again, no matter the player. It looks like we might get away with this one but we may not get away with it again.

There probably isn't anything wrong with bringing in top line talent in the future (just look at how Geelong does it) as long as it doesn't cost us developing our own players as well.

 

[Chief Brody]

Some big WA names out of contract this year and next Logan McDonald being one

 

[wakojako]

I think we've just gotta be really careful about how we import player to fill in the gaps in the future.

I hope we never pay as much as we did for Jackson ever again, no matter the player. It looks like we might get away with this one but we may not get away with it again.

There probably isn't anything wrong with bringing in top line talent in the future (just look at how Geelong does it) as long as it doesn't cost us developing our own players as well.

Naughton is injury prone and his kicking is so inconsistent. He has the opportunity to name himself as the best KPF in the game, surely you would practice your kicking routine day and night and aim for 60+.

 

[wakojako]

Some big WA names out of contract this year and next Logan McDonald being one

Logan is happy in Sydney and not looking to move as of now. Only names available are Georgiades, Pickett and Naughton as of now.

 

[Sully90]

Naughton is injury prone and his kicking is so inconsistent. He has the opportunity to name himself as the best KPF in the game, surely you would practice your kicking routine day and night and aim for 60+.

Is he injury prone? 22 and 25 games the past two years and no injury to speak of this year so far. His worst season was 12 games and that was the Covid year.

 

[Purple Jesus]

Naughton is injury prone and his kicking is so inconsistent. He has the opportunity to name himself as the best KPF in the game, surely you would practice your kicking routine day and night and aim for 60+.

What? No he’s not.

 

[DocT]

I think we've just gotta be really careful about how we import player to fill in the gaps in the future.

I hope we never pay as much as we did for Jackson ever again, no matter the player. It looks like we might get away with this one but we may not get away with it again.

There probably isn't anything wrong with bringing in top line talent in the future (just look at how Geelong does it) as long as it doesn't cost us developing our own players as well.

Fremantle
What Fremantle Gave					What Fremantle Got
						Luke Jackson	3 games		138 XG
Pick 13		1212 points	79 XG
					Pick 44	Pick not used	362 points	21 XG
					Pick 67	Pick not used	69 points	13 XG
2023R1 (Fremantle) (estimate: pick 13)		1212 points	79 XG
2023R2 (Fremantle) (estimate: pick 31)		606 points	44 XG
3 picks		0 games	3030 points	202 XG	2 picks	1 player	3 games	431 points	172 XG

I think people are overestimating what Freo paid for LJ. We gave a net 2599 draft points for him, virtually equivalent to a pick 2 (2517 points).
We paid for a lot of potential. But taking someone straight from the draft is ALL potential.
LJ has a proven robust body and match winning flair on the big stage. He has demonstrated versatility that few can match. These things are immensely valuable to a team.
He is already a much safer bet than any draftee.
The deal at this stage is a win for Freo. In the long term he might possibly under-deliver but this is true of all young players.

PS In case anyone here hasn't found Draft Guru it is an absolutely brilliant site. 2022 Trade for Luke Jackson - Draftguru