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Armstrong or Langford.

Which one are we taking at pick 2 if the Tigers haven’t?


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Neither. Love Langford but he's not quite pick 2 talent, lack of speed and ball use an issue for me.
Armstrong we'd only take at 2 if Dees are a chance at 5. Otherwise we could slide to 6 and get him and another 1st.
If we stay at pick 2, right now it's Smith, FOS?, Draper or Smillie. FOS and Lalor form and injuries aren't helpful though.
 
The highest-rated tall defender in this year’s draft – Sandringham’s Luke Trainor – may not play again this season after copping a high hit in Saturday’s quarter-final win over the Calder Cannons.
Trainor, the grandson of champion former Geelong and North Melbourne goalkicker Doug Wade, had just received a handball when Calder ruckman Riley Leedham collected him in the head and gave away a free kick.
Trainor immediately clutched at his head but played on for a brief period before taking no part in the second half and going to hospital for precautionary reasons. The Dragons will find out his scan results on Wednesday.

The 18-year-old has a concussion history, including two brain injuries sustained in games last season.
Trainor’s concussions are a talking point among recruiters ahead of the draft in November, where he and key forward teammate Harry Armstrong are the standout tall players in a midfield-dominated class.

The AFL announced in March that any footballer who suffered a concussion outside the AFL and AFLW would need to miss at least 21 days, including the under-18 Talent League and other second-tier competitions.

Trainor was an emergency for the Dragons’ grand final win last year, and a concussion would rule him out of this year’s decider, too, assuming Sandringham beat Dandenong Stingrays on Sunday.
 
The highest-rated tall defender in this year’s draft – Sandringham’s Luke Trainor – may not play again this season after copping a high hit in Saturday’s quarter-final win over the Calder Cannons.
Trainor, the grandson of champion former Geelong and North Melbourne goalkicker Doug Wade, had just received a handball when Calder ruckman Riley Leedham collected him in the head and gave away a free kick.
Trainor immediately clutched at his head but played on for a brief period before taking no part in the second half and going to hospital for precautionary reasons. The Dragons will find out his scan results on Wednesday.

The 18-year-old has a concussion history, including two brain injuries sustained in games last season.
Trainor’s concussions are a talking point among recruiters ahead of the draft in November, where he and key forward teammate Harry Armstrong are the standout tall players in a midfield-dominated class.

The AFL announced in March that any footballer who suffered a concussion outside the AFL and AFLW would need to miss at least 21 days, including the under-18 Talent League and other second-tier competitions.

Trainor was an emergency for the Dragons’ grand final win last year, and a concussion would rule him out of this year’s decider, too, assuming Sandringham beat Dandenong Stingrays on Sunday.
Shit. That doesn’t read well. Hope the kid is ok.
 
The highest-rated tall defender in this year’s draft – Sandringham’s Luke Trainor – may not play again this season after copping a high hit in Saturday’s quarter-final win over the Calder Cannons.
Trainor, the grandson of champion former Geelong and North Melbourne goalkicker Doug Wade, had just received a handball when Calder ruckman Riley Leedham collected him in the head and gave away a free kick.
Trainor immediately clutched at his head but played on for a brief period before taking no part in the second half and going to hospital for precautionary reasons. The Dragons will find out his scan results on Wednesday.

The 18-year-old has a concussion history, including two brain injuries sustained in games last season.
Trainor’s concussions are a talking point among recruiters ahead of the draft in November, where he and key forward teammate Harry Armstrong are the standout tall players in a midfield-dominated class.

The AFL announced in March that any footballer who suffered a concussion outside the AFL and AFLW would need to miss at least 21 days, including the under-18 Talent League and other second-tier competitions.

Trainor was an emergency for the Dragons’ grand final win last year, and a concussion would rule him out of this year’s decider, too, assuming Sandringham beat Dandenong Stingrays on Sunday.

Geez, when the describe the previous incidents as brain injuries it sounds so much worse than a few concussions.

You’d hope there would be adequate testing done prior to him drafted if he is already having issues with concussion.
 
My preference for us is that if Langford shows any signs of improvement at the combine I would not hesitate to take him. We are so desperate for a bit of campaigner - it’s pretty much our biggest weakness.
I've been going back through the thread reading up on Langford. Apparently we're keen on him. I guess this description fits with Viney wanting competitors.
 
Updated Rankings for September

Should be noted that this isn't a phantom draft, it's purely my personal rankings.

Notable changes:
- FOS dropping to 5. Just can't have him ahead of those who's output this season is undeniable. Do I still think he has a stack of upside and would be perfect for us at 2? Absolutely, but I simply can't look past the form of the 4 above him.

- Jobe Shanahan, Murphy Reid, Alix Tauru, Alex Dodson and Cooper Hynes improve their positioning in the top 30

- Jesse Dattoli, Josh Murphy and Harry Oliver all improve their standings just outside the top 30.

- James Barrat, Nath Sulzberger and Pat Retchsko enter the top 50 for the first time this season.

PickNameHeightPositionClubComments
1Levi Ashcroft179cmMidfielderSandringham DragonsAccumulating midfielder that powers from contest to contest. Balanced inside and outside game.
2Sid Draper180cmMidfielderSouth AdelaideClassy midfielder that has some speed and evasiveness. Well balanced with excellent vision.
3Jagga Smith181cmMidfielderOakleigh ChargersWell balanced accumulating midfielder who is at home on the inside and outside the contest.
4Harvey Langford190cmMidfielderDandenong StingraysTall and versatile midfielder who is strong overhead and has a booming left foot kick.
5Finn O'Sullivan182cmMidfielderOakleigh ChargersCourageous midfielder who is strong over head, powerful runner who runs hard both ways.
6Josh Smillie194cmMidfielderEastern RangesTall midfielder that finds possession at will and has a long penetrating kick.
7Leo Lombard178cmMidfielderGC AcademyCombative contested midfielder who has some real zip around the contest.
8Harry Armstrong193cmKey ForwardSandringham DragonsHigh work rate key forward who is at home on the lead. Excellent set shot routine.
9Sam Lalor187cmMidfielder/General ForwardGWV RebelsPowerful midfielder, who is explosive and damaging. Can roll forward and have an impact.
10Luke Trainor194cmKey DefenderSandringham DragonsIntercepting general defender who can play on smalls and talls. Composed and balanced.
11Murphy Reid180cmMidfielderSandringham DragonsSmart and classy midfielder who makes good decisions with ball in hand. One touch.
12Jack Whitlock200cmKey ForwardMurray BushrangersRangy key forward that marks at the highest point but can also find the ball at ground level.
13Kayle Gerreyn199cmKey Forward/RuckWest PerthUnique athletic prospect that has a tonne of potential upside.
14Jobe Shanahan194cmKey ForwardBendigo PioneersContested marking key forward who times his leads and jumps at the ball to perfection.
15Tobie Travaglia187cmGeneral DefenderBendigo PioneersIntercepting defender who can provide run and carry. Excellent defender with leadership potential.
16Xavier Lindsay183cmMidfielderGippsland PowerLeft footed midfielder with a damaging kick. Has some speed to break the lines.
17Alex Dodson203cmRuckSturtAthletic Ruckman who covers the ground well and can find the ball. Very balanced for a tall.
18Joe Berry180cmSmall ForwardMurray BushrangersLively small forward who can crumb but also present an option on the lead. Classy goal kicker.
19Matt Whitlock198cmKey DefenderMurray BushrangersOne on one defender who can also swing forward. Strong overhead but equally adept on the ground.
20Isaac Kako175cmSmall ForwardCalder CannonsDynamic and exciting small who can kick goals from anywhere. Also pushes into the midfield.
21Tom Gross181cmMidfelderOakleigh ChargersTough, contested midfielder that has a real competitive streak. Solid overhead.
22Bo Allen191cmGeneral Defender/MidfielderPeel ThunderPhysical left footer who leads from the front. Uses his speed and long kicking to launch offensive attacks.
23Cooper Hynes190cmMidfielder/General ForwardDandenong StingraysTall midfielder who is a goal kicking threat when playing forward of center. Strong over the ball.
24Taj Hotton182cmMidfielder/General ForwardSandringham DragonsClassy midfielder forward who has plenty of X-Factor. Unfortunately done his ACL.
25Jonty Faull195cmKey ForwardGWV RebelsGoal kicking key forward who works hard to provide an option. Competitive in the air
26Harry O'Farrell196cmKey DefenderCalder CannonsLockdown competitive defender that uses his reach and closing speed to advantage.
27Christian Moraes183cmMidfielderEastern RangesAccumulating midfielder that can roll forward and impact the scoreboard. Strong overhead.
28Alix Tauru191cmGeneral DefenderGippsland PowerAthletic defender who can play on talls and smalls, excellent closing speed and leap. Sound decision making.
29Ben Camporeale186cmMidfielderGlenelgBalanced midfielder who works hard between the arcs. Can find the ball inside and outside the contest.
30Tom Sims199cmKey ForwardNorthern KnightsLead up key forward who has good work rate. Solid at ground level for a kid his size.
31Josh Murphy190cmGeneral ForwardMurray BushrangersImpact player who has plenty of x-factor. Contested marking threat who is dangerous at ground level.
32Harrison Oliver181cmGeneral DefenderSandringham DragonsRebounding defender who uses his composure and good decision making to good effect.
33Jesse Dattoli179cmMidfielder/Small ForwardNorthern KnightsHigh footy IQ, who can play a variety of roles around the ground. Dangerous and smart around goals.
34Jack Ough193cmGeneral DefenderGWV RebelsHard working and athletic half back/wing who can play a variety of roles across the ground.
35Lachie Jacques184cmGeneral DefenderGeelong FalconsDefense first defender, who can intercept and provide drive off half back. Reliable ball user.
36Sam Marshall185cmMidfielderBrisbane AcademyElite runner who motors from contest to contest. Creates separation from the contest with his pace.
37Tyler Welsh191cmKey ForwardWoodville WestUndersize key forward who is a strong lead/mark type. Neat set shot goal kicking.
38Hamish Davis190cmMidfielderClaremontElite runner who can play as a genuine mid or as a lead up half forward, good kick and decision maker
39Malakai Champion172cmSmall ForwardSubiacoFlashy small forward who can kick goals from anywhere. Provides good defensive pressure.
40Noah Mraz198cmKey DefenderDandenong StingraysIntercepting defender, who has excellent disposal and decision making. Good closing speed.
41Luke Urquhart189cmMidfielderEast FremantleTall midfielder that can also play across half back. Uses his body well in contested situations.
42Lucas Camporeale185cmMidfielderGlenelgNatural wingman who keeps his width and can accumulate the ball on the outside.
43Archer Day-Wicks186cmGeneral ForwardBendigo PioneersX-Factor player who can mark, and be damaging at ground level. Creative and classy ball user.
44Zak Johnson185cmMidfielderNorthern KnightsClassy midfielder, who moves well, accumulates the ball and makes good decisions.
45Luca Greggo183cmGeneral Defender/MidfielderWestern JetsWorkman utility who can play a variety of roles across the ground. Reliable type.
46Pheonix Hargraves182cmMidfielderSouth AdelaideAccumulating midfielder who have high work rate. Can also impact the scoreboard
47Charlie Nicholls197cmKey ForwardCentral DistrictStrong contested marking key forward who provides a leading option up the ground.
48James Barrat193cmKey ForwardBendigo PioneersLeading forward with good leap and excellent timing. Elite forward craft and work rate.
49Nathaniel Sulzberger184cmMidfielder/General ForwardSandringham DragonsStrong contested player who offers a point of difference with his power around the contest.
50Pat Retschko188cmMidfielderOakleigh ChargersHard working midfielder who can play inside and outside the contest. Strong runner.
50+Evan Bradley174cmSmall ForwardNorth AdelaideClassy small forward who is creative and damaging by foot. Natural goalkicking with plenty of X Factor
50+Ben Barrett174cmSmall ForwardSouth AdelaideLightning quick small forward who has a bucket of tricks and high impact per possession.
50+Xavier Ivisic180cmMidfielderGeelong FalconsReliable inside midfielder who can also find the ball on the outside. Good vision in the contest.
50+Cody Anderson181cmMidfielderEastern RangesRelentless midfielder that tackles hard. At home inside the contest, can also hit the scoreboard.
50+Jaxon Artemis187cmWingSouth FremantleHard running outside type who can also create off half back, good decision making and skills
50+Oliver Depaoli-Kubank178cmMidfielder/Small ForwardTasmania DevilsConsistent type who can play a variety of roles. Reliable disposal and sound decision maker.
50+Jayden Nguyen177cmGeneral Defender/MidfielderCalder CannonsSmall defender who can push up the ground. Creative ball user who uses his speed to impact the game.
50+Zaydyn Lockwood198cmKey DefenderBendigo PioneersRaw and athletic key defender who has plenty of upside. Solid defensive craft and in the 1v1's.
50+Oliver Warburton185cmMidfielderMurray BushrangersVersatile type who can play inside and outside the contest. Consistent with good defensive intensity.
50+Jasper Alger182cmSmall ForwardOakleigh ChargersClassy small forward who makes the most of his opportunities. Good defensive intensity.
50+Lucas McInerney180cmMidfielderNorthern KnightsRangy winger who keeps his width and can be damaging forward of center. Good disposer.
50+Noah Howes196cmKey ForwardSouth AdelaideOverage key forward with strong workrate. Good ground level game and has natural forward craft
50+River Stevens176cmSmall ForwardGeelong FalconsClassy half forward that makes good decisions with the ball. Creative left footer.
50+Charlie West195cmKey ForwardWoodville WestStrong marking and physical key forward. Flies aggressively at the ball in contested situations.
50+Zac McInnes196cmKey ForwardGeelong FalconsMobile key forward with good forward craft. Uses workrate to present multiple times.
50+Louie Montgomery184cmGeneral DefenderNorth AdelaideComposed defender who uses the ball well. Solid 1v1 player who can also create off half back.
50+Bailey McKenzie191cmGeneral ForwardSandringham DragonsMercurial 3rd tall type that can impact the game at ground level or in the air. Classy in front of goal.
50+Gabriel Stumpf196cmKey ForwardNorthern KnightsAthletic key forward who is at home leading at the ball carrier. Strong workrate.
50+Lucas Tovey198cmKey DefenderOakleigh ChargersIntercepting key defender, who uses his body really well in the contest. Reliable ball user.
50+Ben Hopkins190cmGeneral DefenderDandenong StingraysOverage accumulating defender who can also push up to a wing. Quick and hard running.
50+Kobe Ryan183cmMidfielderWest AdelaideMature age inside midfielder that wins contested possessions and has manic defensive effort.
50+Joe Pike203cmRuckGeelong FalconsOverage ruckman who competes at ground level. Solid tap work and follow up effort.
50+Oliver Dean201cmRuckTasmania DevilsNeat tap ruckman that can impact forward of center.
50+Waylon Davey-Motlop171cmSmall ForwardNorthern TerritoryClassy small forward who has plenty of X-Factor and upside. Can kick goals from anywhere inside fwd 50.
50+Tallan Rozenweig197cmKey ForwardCentral DistrictTall forward who uses his leap and long limbs to take the ball at the highest point. Neat kick.
50+Xavier Kardarchi186cmMidfielderWestern JetsAccumulating midfielder who is strong around the contest. Composed with a solid long kick.
50+Oliver Hannaford180cmMidfielderGWV FalconsAgile midfielder who uses his sidestep to create space around the contest. Good defensive intent.
50+Damon Hollow180cmMidfielderCalder CannonsAccumulating wingman who can be damaging with his disposal. Long kicking a real feature.
50+Kade Herbert184cmMidfielder/General ForwardWoodville WestHigh footy IQ, who can play a variety of roles around the ground. Sound decision maker.
50+Harry Charleson182cmGeneral DefenderGWV RebelsReliable defender who is composed and can provide some drive off half back.
50+Liam Kershaw194cmMidfielderGeelong FalconsOverage wingman who offers a point of difference with his height, marking ability and running capacity
50+Joel Cochrane195cmKey DefenderSydney AcademyIntercepting defender who can find the ball and provide rebound from the back half.
50+Loch McTaggert183cmGeneral DefenderPerthNeat defender who has good balance between his defensive application and rebound
50+Max Rohr197cmKey ForwardClaremontOverage key forward who has natural forward craft. Dangerous in the air and neat with ball in hand.
50+Hugh Boxshall187cmMidfielderClaremontStrong running midfielder who can play inside and outside the contest. Good decision maker.
50+Lucas Impey197cmRuckWestern JetsElite tap ruckman who is useful around the ground. Comes from a basketball background.
50+Keighton Matofai-Forbes188cmGeneral ForwardWestern JetsPowerful half forward type who is a threat both aerially and with ground balls.
50+Angus Clarke189cmGeneral DefenderGlenelgGood balance between offensive and defensive game. Creates plenty of drive off half back with his speed
50+Josh Dolan177cmSmall ForwardSandringham DragonsZippy small forward who likes to link up as a high half forward. Creative ball user with solid decision making
50+Cody Angove183cmMidfielderClaremontStrong running midfielder who can play on every line. Likes to take the game on and plays with a bit of flair
50+Adrian Cole195cmKey DefenderSandringham DragonsVersatile tall who can play on smaller forwards. Good closing speed with defense first attitude.
50+Ned Bowman186cmGeneral ForwardNorwoodPowerful and hard working forward/mid who has natural goal sense and footy IQ.
Thanks for sharing this great rundown. If North could produce a Lalor and Gerreyn draft haul, I'd be wrapped. Lalor looks so solid and while others will likely disagree, I get a De Goey around the centre contest vibe from his highlights, in terms of power and impact. The Hawkins comparison I read somewhere re Gerreyn is just very hard to look past - a big contested marker imposing himself on the contest seems a perfect addition to complement Larkey and Comben. Not sure how we swing it though.
 

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The highest-rated tall defender in this year’s draft – Sandringham’s Luke Trainor – may not play again this season after copping a high hit in Saturday’s quarter-final win over the Calder Cannons.
Trainor, the grandson of champion former Geelong and North Melbourne goalkicker Doug Wade, had just received a handball when Calder ruckman Riley Leedham collected him in the head and gave away a free kick.
Trainor immediately clutched at his head but played on for a brief period before taking no part in the second half and going to hospital for precautionary reasons. The Dragons will find out his scan results on Wednesday.

The 18-year-old has a concussion history, including two brain injuries sustained in games last season.
Trainor’s concussions are a talking point among recruiters ahead of the draft in November, where he and key forward teammate Harry Armstrong are the standout tall players in a midfield-dominated class.

The AFL announced in March that any footballer who suffered a concussion outside the AFL and AFLW would need to miss at least 21 days, including the under-18 Talent League and other second-tier competitions.

Trainor was an emergency for the Dragons’ grand final win last year, and a concussion would rule him out of this year’s decider, too, assuming Sandringham beat Dandenong Stingrays on Sunday.

After reading this it becomes a big risk to take him.

A couple more negative stories about his recovery and he’ll get to our 2nd rounder
 
As a rule from now on…..never again do we invest a first round pick on a SA draftee.

If we're unable to split (my personal preference), we kind of have to take him (as he's really good) - if players from SA want to feel the pressure of playing for the frankly terrible Pauer or the underperforming Crows, then so be it, we just have to take 1st and 2nd rounders in both years and be strong on it, give them our 3rd and 4th's back if it helps, but I think we're in a better place now than we were in 2022 and should have the balls to pick him if we can't get an adequate split.
 
 
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The 3 years for first round draftees gives you a bit of a safety net for JHF type situations.

From my understanding Draper is mature as they come and will happily go anywhere in the country. West Coast have put a lot of work into him and I’m tipping if he doesn’t go to us or Richmond and WC still have pick 3 then he’ll be in eagles colours next year.
 
Thanks for sharing this great rundown. If North could produce a Lalor and Gerreyn draft haul, I'd be wrapped. Lalor looks so solid and while others will likely disagree, I get a De Goey around the centre contest vibe from his highlights, in terms of power and impact. The Hawkins comparison I read somewhere re Gerreyn is just very hard to look past - a big contested marker imposing himself on the contest seems a perfect addition to complement Larkey and Comben. Not sure how we swing it though.

Thanks mate! Appreciate the feedback.

A Lalor/Gerreyn combo would be appealing.

The only thing that concerns me with Lalor is these niggly hip/lower back issues he has had across his junior career. along with a few minor soft tissue injuries. Ive been told the hip/lower back stuff stems from his cricket (he is a really talented cricketer too). Just hope he can withstand the rigours of AFL footy. In saying that, the same can be said for Finn O’Sullivan who seems to pick up niggles every 2nd or 3rd week.
 
The 3 years for first round draftees gives you a bit of a safety net for JHF type situations.

From my understanding Draper is mature as they come and will happily go anywhere in the country. West Coast have put a lot of work into him and I’m tipping if he doesn’t go to us or Richmond and WC still have pick 3 then he’ll be in eagles colours next year.
I wonder if the Crows would come knocking with an offer to get us to move down 2 spots?

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The 3 years for first round draftees gives you a bit of a safety net for JHF type situations.

From my understanding Draper is mature as they come and will happily go anywhere in the country. West Coast have put a lot of work into him and I’m tipping if he doesn’t go to us or Richmond and WC still have pick 3 then he’ll be in eagles colours next year.

I think it is different if there is a substantial difference between the SA kid and the next best Victorian, but given the top end are hard to split, why would you take the risk?
 

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