Training 2024 Preseason reports and discussion

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Colloquy said:
I feel we attack too much hopefully this year we tighten up the backline a bit but keep the scoring up.

Like a more balanced approach we scored regularly over 100 points in those years but didn’t concede a lot.
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I feel we attack a lot as the coach is trying to fast forward the player and team learnings in this area.

When our list where Sam wants it, I feel you will see the balance you are seeking!
 

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Judd2Sewell said:
Got there just after 10am, so missed the very start.

Q1
● CJ vs Massimo on the wing
● centre ball-up, Hustwaite with a huge tackle on Nash, winning the free
● blue worked it forwards and Meek marked in front of DGB on the lead
● Scrim with a big defensive mark amongst multiple players
● Ramsden absolutely out worked Reeves, got 10m on him and took the chop out mark on the wing
● Hustwaite got hit in a tackle, comes off. Butler replaces him in the middle
● Bennetts snap at goal
● Worpel has a terrible kick under limited pressure, gets angry with himself
● CJ has a high tackle on Watson, ball is kicked in long to the F50 and Chol takes a big mark and goals
● drinks break
● Nash with another clearance
● Chol really standing out
● Weddle and Watson getting into it, then Lewis giving Weddle a shove and some choice words
● Ball-up in the pocket, Nash tackle on Mackenzie, wins free and snaps the goal
● Ward to a wing (vs CJ) and MacDonald moved to the middle
● Newcombe wins the free at the ball-up, Worpel gives away a 50 and Newcombe goals
● Low trajectory kick into the 50 (unsure who), Watson marks it in a fairly congested area

End of quarter:
Yellow - 25
Blue - 26

Q2
● Nash on a wing to start
● Yellow worked it forwards, Chol with another huge mark but missed the kick
● great rebounding from Scrimshaw and CJ, leading to a Ramsden goal
● Mackenzie with a great kick to someone (couldn't see who), who then turned it over to Newcombe, who gave it to Ginnivan and the Wiz worked it forward to Lewis for a goal
● Meek wins the ruck contest down to Mackenzie, who had another nice kick
● Watson down in a contest, looked sore
● Amon with a great overlapping run from defence, and an even better kick
● another rebound with Amon, to Butler to CJ, who kicks long. DGB had a big defensive effort
● drinks break
● Nash wins the clearance. Eventually leads to Finn goaling
● Nash to Ward, who wins the clearance
● Hustwaite with ridiculous hands to Mackenzie under pressure, who lazers a kick. Great play from both
● JOS tackled high
● Scrimshaw goes down in a defensive marking contest, comes off for a bit
● Ward to a wing, replaced by Moore (who had been very quiet) in the middle. Chol into the ruck
● Newcombe to Nash to someone (couldn't see) to the Wiz, who misses his shot
● Mackenzie outmarks Ward on the 50, plays on and misses
● unknown player with a bad turnover by hand when running out of D50, JOS gets the ball and snaps a goal
● Wiz chasedown on Mackenzie, paid a free however he did get rid of it (had a good angle of it)
● Weddle with a great link-up run from D50 along the wing, gets it to Meek, who switches to Chol, who goals. Great play

HT
Yellow - 46
Blue - 46

Q3 and Q4 - I stopped taking as many notes
● Scrimshaw back on the field
● MacDonald started in the middle, Nash on the bench. Nash then swapped back into the middle straight after
● Blue team put on great pressure twice as Yellow attempted to rebound from D50 and work it up the wing
● Nice tap down from Reeves to Newcombe
● Massimo with two lazerbeam kicks from the backline
● Blue turned it over in the middle, Yellow worked it out to Nash, who dished to Dimma, who hit up Chol, who goaled
● next play was a free to Reeves, who gave it to Nash, then to Ward who hit up Chol, who missed

● play resumed with a ball-up in Blue's D50
● Mackenzie involved in a passage of play twice, working the ball up along the wing from D50
● Frost gets the pill and has a poor short kick
● Chol has the ball on the HFF, switches it across
● Mackenzie running amok, finding space and kicked to the advantage of the forwards. Good defensive play stops the mark
● Mackenzie again hitting a target after a quality clearance from Finn, the forward misses though
● Dimma nails a kick to Chol
● Dimma then moved back, and takes an intercept mark literally the next passage of play
● Hustwaite finishes off the game with a glorious pickup and a no-looker hand off over his shoulders, Nikola Jokic style, to a teammate

Couldn't tell you what the final score was, though Yellow won by about 2 goals. I think maybe it was 60 to 49.
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Beautiful write up.
 
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threesixpio said:
Yeah plenty of mentions of Chol, McKenzie and Watson Judd2Sewell

Exciting times
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And Nash, who along with Chol were the two best on ground for mine. Followed by Mackenzie. Watson is definitely eye catching and would have been amongst the best performed too.
 
burner1 said:
Yep. But for a mid who’s movement inside contest was meant to be a strength is a watch. Mackenzie is getting caught at match sim - which is levels below pace/intensity......
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Did you bother to watch the video posted and somehow miss Duke et al being tackled at some point in the sim?
Not sure I've ever heard a supporter before believe that such a thing is unthinkable....:rolleyes:
 

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Hawkthorn33 said:
Apologies if this has been asked but I promise I did have a good read of the previous 10 pages to see if the answer was already given.

When is the official intra-club match being played (time and day)? I don't have socials so BigFooty is my only way of staying in the loop. I read somewhere the week before the doggies practice matches, so that would only leave next week.

Thanks
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Friday, February 23
Western Bulldogs v Hawthorn, Whitten Oval, 11am AEDT


Saturday, March 2

Hawthorn v Western Bulldogs, University of Tasmania Stadium, 6.10pm AEDT
 
Dipper said:
High free to the Wiz😍
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Watson was tackled hard twice and crunched twice as well. He was seemingly targetted a bit, which is probably what the coaches want in order to condition him.

To his credit Watson didn't take a backward step and is tenacious, but he will absolutely be flattened by players at AFL level. Hope he's prepared for it, he will be a target for sure.
 
Judd2Sewell said:
Watson was tackled hard twice and crunched twice as well. He was seemingly targetted a bit, which is probably what the coaches want in order to condition him.

To his credit Watson didn't take a backward step and is tenacious, but he will absolutely be flattened by players at AFL level. Hope he's prepared for it, he will be a target for sure.
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Blokes have wanted and tried to whack him his whole junior career. He’s that sort of player. He’s used to it.
 
cryptor said:
Probably a lot to do with the shift in list and game strategy from the Clarko and Mitchell regimes.

Under Clarko it was very much here is a game plan that will crush the competition providing every player has a base skill level and discipline to execute their role to precision. There was definitely a healthy core of elite players and sometimes individual brilliance was the difference, but the consistency of that era was really down to buy in to executing his game plan every week.

Whereas with Sam it seems to be totally dynamic in that he wants to find as many players with something really special about their game and then tailor a game plan around that mix of players. A general game plan exists for how we'll play but I think Sam uses it more as a guide to keep the group moving in the same direction. He's a very good match day coach and makes adjustments when things aren't working a lot quicker.

It's no wonder that Clarko and Sam's transition blew up so quickly. Fundamentally they are pretty much polar opposites in their approach. Both genius coaches in my opinion, just very different.
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Really exemplified by the constant “use your weapons rhetoric” both have their merits, but Nash’s transformation post clarko departure is a pretty glowing endorsement of Mitchell’s philosophy
 
A Diakos said:
why are we playing dogs twice ??

wouldn't it better preparation playing another team ?
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AFL fixtured the pre season match, clubs had to organise their own match simulation/scratch match. Believe other clubs had organised their own and we were left with not too many options for another hit out
 
Judd2Sewell said:
Watson was tackled hard twice and crunched twice as well. He was seemingly targetted a bit, which is probably what the coaches want in order to condition him.

To his credit Watson didn't take a backward step and is tenacious, but he will absolutely be flattened by players at AFL level. Hope he's prepared for it, he will be a target for sure.
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Has been smashed his entire life. It does not phase him.
 
Newmo89 said:
AFL fixtured the pre season match, clubs had to organise their own match simulation/scratch match. Believe other clubs had organised their own and we were left with not too many options for another hit out
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Correct. None of the big clubs wanted to plays us, deeming us not competitive enough, from what I've heard. Make of that what you will.
 
Chatted with Kade Simpson today for the Talking Hawks podcast.
Takeaways from it were:
Spoke highly of Blanck and his development.
Blanck, Serong and DGB all pushing each other in the gym.
Said Serong would be considered more of a utility who can play key if needed, same as DGB.
Spoke about Amon's polish off half back and how important it will be in setting up attacking raids.
Wants us to be feared for our ability to attack from down field.
Said Dimma will add more to the forward line than we think.
Scrimma hasn't missed a beat.
Don't expect Bazz to struggle upon return as he had a great season before the injury.
Shammy will be able to run in less than a fortnight
 

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