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Mick McGuane’s mid-season report card: Pieces are there, Saints just need to put them together​

St Kilda won’t play finals in 2024, but they are subtly evolving before our eyes and could play a big role in shaping the top eight. MICK MCGUANE dives into the Saints’ mid-season report card.

The Saints played finals last year, now they sit in 14th spot at their mid-season bye.
There’s been some promising signs, but Ross Lyon’s men have been nowhere near the full package.
MICK MCGUANE reviews St Kilda’s season so far in his mid-year report card.

MCGUANE’S MID-SEASON RATING: C-

St Kilda coach Ross Lyon looks as frustrated as anyone.
His side is doing a lot right, but is struggling to put it all together.
Some weeks, the Saints are strangling their opposition defensively but are struggling to score themselves.
Other weeks they have scored a little more freely, but have had their team defensive structure picked apart.
Ross Lyon’s Saints have had a difficult season. Picture: Getty Images

Ross Lyon’s Saints have had a difficult season. Picture: Getty Images
Lyon’s side scored over 100 points for just the second time this season against the Brisbane Lions in round 15 — but still lost by 20 points.
They allowed the Lions to take a whopping 140 uncontested marks and record a disposal efficiency of 82 per cent.
Numbers like those are not going to see you win many games of footy.
It wasn’t the first time, either, with the Saints also giving up 133 uncontested marks against the Western Bulldogs in a 60-point belting in round 7.

ST KILDA'S SEASON SO FAR​

Played: 14
Won: 5
Lost: 9
Drawn: 0
Percentage: 92.2
Average Points For: 73.1 (Ranked 15th)
Average Points Against: 79.2 (Ranked 7th)
Quarters Won: 26/56 (46%)
Local Record: 3 wins, 5 losses
Interstate Record: 2 wins, 4 losses
Record v Current Top-8: 1 win, 5 losses
Players Used: 37

Comparatively, they kept Collingwood to just 64 uncontested marks in a 15-point win in round 2, while holding Greater Western Sydney to 80 uncontested marks in a one-point loss in round 6.
St Kilda is at its best when it is pressuring the opposition and creating a chaos game.
If the Saints allow good sides like Brisbane to play a controlled kick-mark game by failing to read the cues and cut off the next options, they’re in trouble.
Basic fundamentals have also been costly.
Often, players are making the right decisions with ball in hand but are executing poorly and it is taking the wind out of the side’s sails.
The ball is spending plenty of time in the Saints’ forward half each week — which is what Lyon wants — but the side is not getting bang for buck from it because of this poor execution.

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They rank last in the competition for scores from forward half intercepts (27.5 points a game) and 16th for scoring shots per inside-50 (40.8 per cent).
Returning from shoulder surgery, Max King made a slow start to the season but has been better in recent weeks.
Even the great Tony Lockett would struggle to kick regular bags of goals in the St Kilda forward line at the moment given the quality of the ball coming in.
One positive out of the Brisbane loss was an improved clearance game on the back of playing two ruckmen in Rowan Marshall and Tom Campbell.
Expect that template to be used more going forward, with the assistance allowing Marshall to spend more time forward where he can support King.

EVOLVING TEAM

This Saints team is subtly evolving before our eyes.
There have been 37 different players used this season — the equal-third most of any side — as Lyon exposes and experiments with his list.
It’s early days but Anthony Caminiti’s move to defence looks a regular occurrence, as a third-tall defender to complement Josh Battle and Callum Wilkie.
I also like the look of last week’s debutant Arie Schoenmaker, who showed enough to suggest he will be a big part of the back-six going forward as a good-size defender with a weapon of a left foot.
Arie Schoenmaker impressed on debut. Picture: Getty Images

Arie Schoenmaker impressed on debut. Picture: Getty Images
The new faces down back put pressure on more experienced players like Dougal Howard and Zaine Cordy and rightfully so.
Long-time mainstay midfielders Seb Ross, Brad Crouch and Zak Jones also look to be playing for their futures amid an injection of youth in that area.
Marcus Winghager has added a better defensive balance onball with his ability to play accountable roles, while Liam Henry has shown he can have stints at centre bounce and add serious speed.
Hunter Clark is also building in that area of the ground after an injury-interrupted start to the season, as is Paddy Dow.

ST KILDA'S 2024 LEADERS​

COACHES VOTES TOP 5
24 votes – Jack Sinclair
21 votes – Rowan Marshall, Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera
19 votes – Jack Steele
12 votes – Brad Hill
SUPERCOACH AVERAGE TOP 5
1. Jack Steele (109 points)
2. Rowan Marshall (107 points)
3. Jack Sinclair (106 points)
4. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera (102 points)
5. Hunter Clark (87 points)
GOALS TOP 5
23 – Jack Higgins
19 – Max King
15 – Tim Membrey, Mitchito Owens
10 – Darcy Wilson, Anthony Caminiti

SHAPING THE EIGHT

The Saints won’t make the top eight, but they could be one of the teams to shape it.
Lyon is a winning coach who will be determined to add some more wins in the second half of the season and form good habits.
The Saints should be beating West Coast, Richmond and Adelaide, while they are more than capable of challenging the likes of Port Adelaide, Essendon and Geelong.

RUN HOME​

R15: Bye
R16: Port Adelaide (H)
R17: Sydney (H)
R18: Adelaide (A)
R19: West Coast (H)
R20: Essendon (H)
R21: Brisbane Lions (H)
R22: Richmond (A)
R23: Geelong (H)
R24: Carlton (A)
Champion Data Fixture Difficulty Ranking: 6th Easiest


I can see 2 wins in West Coast and Richmond. Not sure about any of the others. Adelaide away and Geelong probably the others.

You can see why they want Stengle. A few more goals per week and we win a few more games and scoring is our achilles heel.
 
I can see 2 wins in West Coast and Richmond. Not sure about any of the others. Adelaide away and Geelong probably the others.

You can see why they want Stengle. A few more goals per week and we win a few more games and scoring is our achilles heel.
Outside of Sydney, Carlton and Lions who we won't beat - we are a chance to beat everyone else but also a chance to lose all of them.
 
I can see 2 wins in West Coast and Richmond. Not sure about any of the others. Adelaide away and Geelong probably the others.

You can see why they want Stengle. A few more goals per week and we win a few more games and scoring is our achilles heel.
We're a good chance against Port next week. We are actually favourites.

Blues and Swans will be too good for us but I reckon every other game looks winnable. Even the Blues game could be a dead rubber for them so you never know.

If we'd managed to bank two more wins we'd actually be a good chance at finals. Pretty frustrating.
 

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I can see 2 wins in West Coast and Richmond. Not sure about any of the others. Adelaide away and Geelong probably the others.

You can see why they want Stengle. A few more goals per week and we win a few more games and scoring is our achilles heel.
Port next week are seriously shaky. If our aggressive game is on show they are susceptible to flopping.
 
Outside of Sydney, Carlton and Lions who we won't beat - we are a chance to beat everyone else but also a chance to lose all of them.
You just can't beat an each way bet Brut.......I'm with you on yr thoughts but think we may surprise on the run home.
 
We're a good chance against Port next week. We are actually favourites.

Blues and Swans will be too good for us but I reckon every other game looks winnable. Even the Blues game could be a dead rubber for them so you never know.

If we'd managed to bank two more wins we'd actually be a good chance at finals. Pretty frustrating.
Us being favorites doesn't actually surprise me BTS.

Port were flogged yesterday and we ended up last Fri night week ago kicking our most goals and highest score for the season.......in a losing side.....at the "Gabbatoir" of all places....and the game is at Marvel.

If it was in Adelaide.....you'd put yr house on Port.....maybe not a good idea with interest rates the way they are.

The odds will probably shorten as the week goes by.....currently $1.80 vs $2.00.

And folks....as the good Lord says:

Gamble responsibly.

;) ;) ;)
 
Us being favorites doesn't actually surprise me BTS.

Port were flogged yesterday and we ended up last Fri night week ago kicking our most goals and highest score for the season.......in a losing side.....at the "Gabbatoir" of all places....and the game is at Marvel.

If it was in Adelaide.....you'd put yr house on Port.....maybe not a good idea with interest rates the way they are.

The odds will probably shorten as the week goes by.....currently $1.80 vs $2.00.

And folks....as the good Lord says:

Gamble responsibly.

;) ;) ;)

We should have a pretty decent team for this game. And Port will not have the two big quality in form key forwards that the Lions had.

Being at Marvel I think we are a good chance to win.
 
We should have a pretty decent team for this game. And Port will not have the two big quality in form key forwards that the Lions had.

Being at Marvel I think we are a good chance to win.
We can finish Kenny off
 
I can see 2 wins in West Coast and Richmond. Not sure about any of the others. Adelaide away and Geelong probably the others.

You can see why they want Stengle. A few more goals per week and we win a few more games and scoring is our achilles heel.

Micky McGuane the best footy brain I’ve ever come across. A genius.
 

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West Coast will be no easy beats and will have Superman back for that game , they were pretty good and a bit unlucky yesterday missing a few shots at goal that they would normally kick .
My tip is Two more wins at best , Tigers and Cats
 
West Coast will be no easy beats and will have Superman back for that game , they were pretty good and a bit unlucky yesterday missing a few shots at goal that they would normally kick .
My tip is Two more wins at best , Tigers and Cats


Unfortunately we are looking a better list late in the year with players back. Think we need to play some more kids.
 
The old hag saying that the AFL are very disappointed that Riewoldt didn't make it back for HoF even though the AFL are saying that they don't have a problem

Peddling absolute shite as usual

Sam Gilbert is still waiting for your apology you witch
 
The old hag saying that the AFL are very disappointed that Riewoldt didn't make it back for HoF even though the AFL are saying that they don't have a problem

Peddling absolute shite as usual

Sam Gilbert is still waiting for your apology you witch


Damn straight. Where's Gioblerts HOF spot. Old witch hasn't even nominated him yet I bet.
 
The old hag saying that the AFL are very disappointed that Riewoldt didn't make it back for HoF even though the AFL are saying that they don't have a problem

Peddling absolute shite as usual

Sam Gilbert is still waiting for your apology you witch

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