2024 (Tenacious) Annual Carlton Board Phantom Draft

[TENACIOUS]

https://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL Tenant/AFL/Files/Father-son-bidding-system.pdf

Pick	Club	Player (click on player below, will take you to post)	Poster
1	Richmond	Jagga Smith	Bletch
2	Brisbane *	Levi Ashcroft	Sheephead
3	Richmond	Sam Lalor	Bletch
4	Carlton	Harvey Langford	Soapy V
5	Adelaide	Sid Draper	GoBlues!
6	Melbourne	Finn O’Sullivan	Blugazi
7	North Melbourne	Alix Tauru	Blue and Silver
8	Gold Coast *	Leo Lombard
9	St Kilda	Josh Smillie	Ninja Worrier
10	St Kilda	Xavier Lyndsay	Ninja Worrier
11	Melbourne	Murphy Reid	Blugazi
12	Essendon *	Issac Kako	TENACIOUS
13	Richmond	Tobie Travaglia	Bletch
14	Richmond	Taj Hotton	Bletch
15	West Coast	Joe Berry	TerryWallet
16	Port Adelaide	Luke Trainor	Pablito
17	Fremantle	Bo Allan	WalshistheGOAT
18	Greater Western Sydney	Cooper Hynes	bradfisher14
19	Greater Western Sydney	Oli Hannaford	bradfisher14
20	Brisbane *	Sam Marshall
21	Western Bulldogs	Harrison Oliver	Coona Blues
22	North Melbourne	Jobe Shanahan	Blue and Silver
23	Sydney	Harry Armstong	Wickzki
24	Richmond	Jack Whitlock	Bletch
25	Greater Western Sydney	Alex Dodson	bradfisher14
26	Sydney	Jesse Dattoli	Wickzki
27	Richmond	Jonty Faull	Bletch
28	Richmond	Jasper Algar	Bletch
	Round 2
29	Western Bulldogs	James Barrat	Coona Blues
30	Essendon	Christian Moraes	TENACIOUS
31	West Coast	Hamish Davies	TerryWallet
32	Port Adelaide	Angus Clarke	Pablito
33	Fremantle	Zak Johnson	WalshistheGOAT
34	St Kilda	Tom Gross	Ninja Worrier
35	Hawthorn	Harry Charleston
36	West Coast *	Malaki Champion	TerryWallet
37	Western Bulldogs	Jack Ough	Coona Blues
38	Carlton *	Ben Camporeale	Soapy V
39	Port Adelaide	Jaxon Artemis	Pablito
40	Greater Western Sydney	Lochie Jaques	bradfisher14
41	Sydney	Matt Whitlock	Wickzki
42	Geelong	Clancy Dennis	ferrisb
43	Essendon	Harry O’Farrell	TENACIOUS
44	St Kilda *	Adrian Cole	Ninja Worrier
45	Western Bulldogs	Kayle Gerreyn	Coona Blues
46	Port Adelaide	Phoenix Hargrave	Pablito
47	Collingwood	Ned Bowman	Bamboo Harvester
48	Essendon	Thomas Sims	TENACIOUS
49	Essendon	Pass	TENACIOUS
50	Collingwood	Sam Davidson	Bamboo Harvester
51	Greater Western Sydney	Pass	bradfisher14
52	Carlton	Pass	Soapy V
53	Geelong	Xavier Ivisic	ferrisb
54	Collingwood	Noah Mraz	Bamboo Harvester
55	Sydney		Wickzki
56	North Melbourne		Blue and Silver
57	Adelaide		GoBlues!
58	Essendon	Pass	TENACIOUS
59	Fremantle		WalshistheGOAT
60	Carlton	Pass	Soapy V
61	Carlton	Pass	Soapy V
62	Hawthorn
63	Carlton	Boyd	Soapy V
64	Greater Western Sydney	Pass	bradfisher14
65	Geelong		ferrisb
66	Hawthorn
67	North Melbourne		Blue and Silver
68	Adelaide		GoBlues!
69	Melbourne		Blugazi
70	Gold Coast
71	Gold Coast
72	Brisbane		Sheephead
73	West Coast		TerryWallet

 

[Ninja Worrier]

Soapy you've totally confused me....if we are taking 4 picks at the draft why not take a pick them elevate Boyd?

 

[GoBlues!]

When do we take Lucas Camporeale?

 

[Wickzki]

When do we take Lucas Camporeale?

He'll be drafted in the rookie draft

 

[Wickzki]

Soapy you've totally confused me....if we are taking 4 picks at the draft why not take a pick them elevate Boyd?

Agreed. Worst case scenario is we upgrade Boyd after a Campo pick. We keep a primary list spot open.

Soapys pass is as good as saying "upgrade Boyd" in that we won't use it at the draft on a kid.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Agreed. Worst case scenario is we upgrade Boyd after a Campo pick. We keep a primary list spot open.

Soapys pass is as good as saying "upgrade Boyd" in that we won't use it at the draft on a kid.

It's probably been discussed previously, but if Carlton pass at pick 52 and another club selects Lucas with a later pick, are we still able to match?

Somebody suggested a few days back that we go into the draft with 'unders' for the B Campo bid, so all of our late picks with points attached are used to match the bid, and we end up with the last pick in the draft in case of a late Lucas bid. If there's no bid, we can then rookie list him.

We'll possibly go into 2025 with a slight deficit to our 2nd round pick, but it would be negligable.

 

[Bletch]

It's probably been discussed previously, but if Carlton pass at pick 52 and another club selects Lucas with a later pick, are we still able to match?

Somebody suggested a few days back that we go into the draft with 'unders' for the B Campo bid, so all of our late picks with points attached are used to match the bid, and we end up with the last pick in the draft in case of a late Lucas bid. If there's no bid, we can then rookie list him.

We'll possibly go into 2025 with a slight deficit to our 2nd round pick, but it would be negligable.

It's a good question, and I don't know (tried looking this up the other day, and can't find a definitive answer). What I do know is that the passed pick is removed from the draft order. i.e. if Carlton pass at pick 52 and Geelong have pick 53, that pick shuffles down, and Geelong now have pick 52.

Logic would dictate that Carlton should still be able to use later picks for matching purposes (but not use them otherwise), but I really don't know if that is the case.

Note also, we can't guarantee last spot in the draft, as there could be further bid matching after the Ben Campo bid. i.e. picks we used to match Ben get moved to the back of the draft, but if there's then a bid on say Malakai Champion and West Coast match, then the picks they used would be moved behind the ones we used.

 

[ferrisb]

You're waiting on me? Omg, sorry.

I thought I was bailing on the whole draft, not just my first pick.

Coona Blues, you able to bail me out?

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

You're waiting on me? Omg, sorry.

I thought I was bailing on the whole draft, not just my first pick.

Coona Blues, you able to bail me out?

Collingwood's got the following pick....their list management team have packed up and gone home

 

[dangertroy]

Agreed. Worst case scenario is we upgrade Boyd after a Campo pick. We keep a primary list spot open.

Soapys pass is as good as saying "upgrade Boyd" in that we won't use it at the draft on a kid.

Does the rookie elevation of Boyd even cost a pick? I thought it happens post draft without picks attached, provided there is a list spot. Looking back at old drafts on Wikipedia, the rookie elevations aren’t numbered picks in the draft, just a table at the end of the draft.

 

[Bletch]

Does the rookie elevation of Boyd even cost a pick? I thought it happens post draft without picks attached, provided there is a list spot. Looking back at old drafts on Wikipedia, the rookie elevations aren’t numbered picks in the draft, just a table at the end of the draft.

That's correct.

 

[GoBlues!]

Collingwood's got the following pick....their list management team have packed up and gone home

Right behind you BH, I’ve got the Crows list team wandering around Marvel Stadium trying to find the way out …..

 

[Wickzki]

That's correct.

When did they change that? Used to happen in the draft.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Right behind you BH, I’ve got the Crows list team wandering around Marvel Stadium trying to find the way out …..

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Holy crap, I've now completely forgotten who I'm taking as my next pick.....

 

[Coona Blues]

Pick 51 - Geelong - Xavier Ivisic - Geelong Falcons 180cm (01/06/06)

Local lad. High volume championships. Wing/midfield Genuine Cars pick

Bamboo Harvester

 

[Blue and Silver]

Pick 51 - Geelong - Xavier Ivisic - Geelong Falcons 180cm (01/06/06)

Local lad. High volume championships. Wing/midfield Genuine Cars pick

Bamboo Harvester

Probably tore up a south coast local game in front of a Cats recruiter 2 years ago and has been hidden under the radar

On Pixel 7a using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Pick 51 - Geelong - Xavier Ivisic - Geelong Falcons 180cm (01/06/06)

Local lad. High volume championships. Wing/midfield Genuine Cars pick

Bamboo Harvester

Great selection Coona, he was on my very short list. Knows how to rack up possessions at schoolboy level.

Anyway, at pick 52, the dirty rotten Maggies select:

Pick 52 - Collingwood - Noah Mraz - Dandenong Stingrays - 198cm - Key Position Defender
After the premature retirement of Nathan Murphy, the delisting of Josh Eyre, and Charlie Dean not getting onto the park, the Magpies are in need of a key defender - especially considering Billy Frampton is now their #2 key defender behind Moore.

Write up courtesy of Zero Hanger:

"A teenager who the Blues could have on their radar at Pick 38. The Dandenong Stingrays talent, who stops the tape at 198cm, is a versatile key defender who can also pinch-hit in the ruck. Mraz was a member of the AFL Academy this year, selected for his strong intercept ability, endurance capabilities and kicking accuracy, with a foot injury unfortunately hampering most of his year. Prior to his setback, the promising teenager was viewed as a top 20 chance, with his interrupted year potentially presenting as a bargain for one club."

AFL Draft Analysis: Carlton Blues

There’s more to Carlton’s draft plans than Pick 3 and a pair of father-sons.

www.zerohanger.com

Over to Wickzki

 

[Stamos]

Pick 52 - I think Blues will use this for points for Ben Campo as they will try and move Pick 38

I also believe we will look more at DFA, Rookies and train on players during pre season after getting Pick 3 and Campo twins

In the end we won’t use this pick. Pass

There’s no way we’re going to pass here, having taken only 2 players.
If there’s nobody else we want in the ND, then we’d take Lucas here.
Even then, we’d only have 35 on the Senior List.

 

[Stamos]

When did they change that? Used to happen in the draft.

I think 2020.
It’s been a few years anyway.

For the purposes of this phantom draft, we have 4 senior spots available after Boyd is taken into account.

 

[Wickzki]

There’s no way we’re going to pass here, having taken only 2 players.
If there’s nobody else we want in the ND, then we’d take Lucas here.
Even then, we’d only have 35 on the Senior List.

Who's your fancy at this pick?

 

[Stamos]

Who's your fancy at this pick?

I don’t know enough about the players, especially this deep.

But, I think we’re a good chance of using 38 before a bid comes for Ben. And if the bid comes early, we’ll trade our for F2, and look to trade back in.

Either way, we would only pass once we hit 36 on the Senior List, which assuming we don’t take a DFA earlier, would mean after 4 ND picks, not 2.

 

[Coona Blues]

Who's your fancy at this pick?

T’was his shearing mate who wrote it…

 

[Wickzki]

The Swans may not utilise this pick at the draft and Mraz was the very last player on my priority shortlist. Think there's potential for an AFL career there. Would love him late in the draft at Carlton

However for the sake of the exercise, Sydney continue their WA scouting with the selection of the blazing fast Luke Urquhart who has the genuine potential to be one of the steals in the draft.

While he can certainly add polish to his game, Urquhart has enough physical attributes to have an impact at the next level. He shapes as a later pick, though it would not surprise to see a club be enamoured by his strong inside game and form at state level to select him as a ‘bolter’ in the earlier rounds. There is plenty of competition for spots when it comes to midfielders in this year’s draft, but Urquhart projects similarly to Sydney star Chad Warner, who plays with similar power and hailed from the same club and school.

Blue and Silver you're up.