Hot Topic Carlton 2024 Trade Discussion

[Blue4Life]

To be fair, there’s daylight between Houston and Noble. But they’ve certainly paid up.

Noble underrated…Houston takes kick ins aswell

 

[El Topo]

Said it elsewhere, but I think there's a power struggle between Voss on the one hand and Austin (and possibly Cook?) on the other - the necessary refresh suggests that Austin finally won that argument, next step is to nail the draft picks

 

[marcmurphy3]

Said it elsewhere, but I think there's a power struggle between Voss on the one hand and Austin (and possibly Cook?) on the other - the necessary refresh suggests that Austin finally won that argument, next step is to nail the draft picks

I'm not sure it's a power struggle. Maybe some internal debate which is fine. The senior coach 9 times out of 10 will always prioritise the now. No doubt Voss would have preffered Houston and got no issue with that. Any coach would. Can't expect much different.

But the fact we stuck to our guns in terms of list strategy and were pretty consistent with messaging the whole way along shows me we have good governance.

I'm sure Voss is fine and in some ways Austin reached a compromise by getting pick 3 which will give him a young player that can impact now.

Compare that to the Pies whose list management is clearly being driven by Macrae and its a whole different story.

That doesn't mean it's going to work great for us and blow up in their faces but shows me we have the right processes.

 

[El Topo]

I'm not sure it's a power struggle. Maybe some internal debate which is fine. The senior coach 9 times out of 10 will always prioritise the now. No doubt Voss would have preffered Houston and got no issue with that. Any coach would. Can't expect much different.

But the fact we stuck to our guns in terms of list strategy and were pretty consistent with messaging the whole way along shows me we have good governance.

I'm sure Voss is fine and in some ways Austin reached a compromise by getting pick 3 which will give him a young player that can impact now.

Compare that to the Pies whose list management is clearly being driven by Macrae and its a whole different story.

That doesn't mean it's going to work great for us and blow up in their faces but shows me we have the right processes.

Yeah fair enough, power struggle is a bit dramatic when describing the usual push and pull between different departments.

That being said, the entire football world - including Graham Wright - was watching our capitulation this year with horror and amusement. Vossy won't make it to 2026 if that happens again.

 

[ajb72]

So 28 players found new homes. Seems a lot of action.

But really, it is 1.5 players per club.

10 days of stuffing aroung when a club is lucky to be making 1 or 2 trades and a pick swap or 2.

It is a total farce.

 

[HarryFlashman]

Yeah fair enough, power struggle is a bit dramatic when describing the usual push and pull between different departments.

That being said, the entire football world - including Graham Wright - was watching our capitulation this year with horror and amusement. Vossy won't make it to 2026 if that happens again.

Question, what impact does Wright have on MC?
Think it was a really pertinent point someone made a few days ago, that when deciding who was the best person for the Pies coaching job Wright believed it wasn’t Voss

 

[Jatz]

So 28 players found new homes. Seems a lot of action.

But really, it is 1.5 players per club.

10 days of stuffing aroung when a club is lucky to be making 1 or 2 trades and a pick swap or 2.

It is a total farce.

Especially when you consider most of these deals were probably already agreed a week ago.

 

[El Topo]

Question, what impact does Wright have on MC?
Think it was a really pertinent point someone made a few days ago, that when deciding who was the best person for the Pies coaching job Wright believed it wasn’t Voss

Intriguing suggestion from one of the ITKs that GW will spend 2025 either reviewing or overseeing the footy department - reckon we'll have a clear answer to that question this time next year.

 

[marcmurphy3]

Yeah fair enough, power struggle is a bit dramatic when describing the usual push and pull between different departments.

That being said, the entire football world - including Graham Wright - was watching our capitulation this year with horror and amusement. Vossy won't make it to 2026 if that happens again.

Agree on Voss. If we have another year like this year or worse his coaching career is done.

 

[bmaurizio]

Reckon our target is Finn O’Sullivan, pick 2 would have given us a better shot at snapping him up , as it is , not easy. Yze and Clarkson both will be selecting best midfielders picks 1&2, one would think no choice really,
it’s going to be tricky. Roos traded
experience , skill and maturity to their midfield so that may affect their choice.

 

[The Bighouse]

Reckon our target is Finn O’Sullivan, pick 2 would have given us a better shot at snapping him up , as it is , not easy. Yze and Clarkson both will be selecting best midfielders picks 1&2, one would think no choice really,
it’s going to be tricky. Roos traded
experience , skill and maturity to their midfield so that may affect their choice.

North need to balance their list, think they’ll swap out to get some other positional needs outside the midfield.

 

[bmaurizio]

So 28 players found new homes. Seems a lot of action.

But really, it is 1.5 players per club.

10 days of stuffing aroung when a club is lucky to be making 1 or 2 trades and a pick swap or 2.

It is a total farce.

Agree trade period is farcical and drawn out, 4/5 days is ample, for necessary actions.Unfortunately it’s part of the culture and AFL appetite exposure dominance and revenue.

 

[Funk]

Insanity to not understand that 38 is a good result for Kennedy. He was not going to play for our seniors again. We have moved on.

Elijah and Pick 3 definately go past him on ball. Also guys like Lord and Binns and Moir and Wilson get picked before him next year on.

He did his job for us Kennedy. But his time came.

38 is a good result. I was fully expecting 45. We'll have an established plan for 38's usage.

Love Bam Bam - but we have too many of a similar type player.

Cripps, Cerra, Hewett & Kennedy.

Need to play 1 less “inside” player and play more run/speed.

Only surprise is why Dogs??

They seem to have a glut of mids which is why Macrae and Baz are leaving!

 

[Styxx]

Ultimately had we kept out original 2nd rounder it would have moved roughly to 37 or so to get it back to 38 for a player we had decided wasn't part of the future is a sneaky win on top.

 

[JuddgementDay]

Look I agree to a point, but Jagga and Reid lack body strength, Draper lacks the ability to really burn away after the first 5m, Lalor has durability and probably endurance issues, while O'Sullivan is still more of a project until you can get guarantees on first few steps and how he kicks through the ball.

Hotton matches up well in that grouping if he's fit, and Smillie is someone I feel you should be including in that mix as he's freakishly athletic for his size and takes the game on with his kicking.

Hynes is one who I feel is going to make it right onto the heels of that group as clubs figure out he has a very complete game, and that his athleticism can unlock a lot more.

It's a very talented draft group, with mental fortitude being the thing that will create the standout players over time.

When you describe this draft group like that, it makes even more sense to trade #3 down to two high picks

Austin needs to have a lot of chats with Richmond.
For me, I'm more than happy to trade our 3 & 38 for Richmond's 6 & 18/20 - we may still get the player that we wanted at #3 anyway, whilst having another good pick at a very talented draft group

 

[Red Bull]

Addressed none of our needs, burnt solid draft picks and got a packet of chips for Owies and Kennedy.

We have given ourselves the opportunity to address our number 1 need … an explosive goal kicking midfielder … without which, i doubt we can go all the way.
Owies and Kennedy weren’t required going forward.
Owies unlocked pick 3 and we got overs for Kennedy …

 

[Forty3]

North need to balance their list, think they’ll swap out to get some other positional needs outside the midfield.

That’s the impression that seems to be floating around the AFL LMs.
They’ve taken 6 minds inside the first round in the last 4 years. That’s not including JHF.
So a lot of people are working off the idea they won’t go that way again.
They’ve added mature mids on top of that, and are playing midfielders all over the park.

Unless their plan is to trade some for an experienced KPP. Or perhaps attack free agency, although they have tried in vain to do this over the last few years. They have the money, perhaps with an improved season next year they will be a more attractive destination..

 

[viking12]

Draper is the ideal player for our midfield but worried Austin might not select him because of go home factor particular with SA boys

 

[marcmurphy3]

Draper is the ideal player for our midfield but worried Austin might not select him because of go home factor particular with SA boys

I don't think he'd be worried about that unless Draper specifically has indicated something.

 

[Bletch]

Draper is the ideal player for our midfield but worried Austin might not select him because of go home factor particular with SA boys

Dunno - he's played a lot of footy with/against the Camporeale brothers (albeit different SANFL club). Figure we'd have a good chance to keep him.

 

[marcmurphy3]

When you describe this draft group like that, it makes even more sense to trade #3 down to two high picks

Austin needs to have a lot of chats with Richmond.
For me, I'm more than happy to trade our 3 & 38 for Richmond's 6 & 18/20 - we may still get the player that we wanted at #3 anyway, whilst having another good pick at a very talented draft group

We won't get the player we want. If we traded up to 3 it's because we want one of that top group of mids. They will be gone. In any case I doubt we'd be having to throw in 38 to get that deal done. I'm sure Richmond would happily do it for 6&18 alone. Essentially a pick that will be in the 20s to access the top tier of talent.

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

Draper is the ideal player for our midfield but worried Austin might not select him because of go home factor particular with SA boys

Thinking coming over with 2 SA boys who he'd have played a hell of a lot of footy with in the Campo twins will help significantly. I'm not stressed about it personally.

 

[Sector 7G]

Thinking coming over with 2 SA boys who he'd have played a hell of a lot of footy with in the Campo twins will help significantly. I'm not stressed about it personally.

How many interstate players go home from big 4 clubs (who aren't basket cases like the Tigers at the moment)? Struggling to think of many inside of 10 years

 

[BigFrizz36]

Question, what impact does Wright have on MC?
Think it was a really pertinent point someone made a few days ago, that when deciding who was the best person for the Pies coaching job Wright believed it wasn’t Voss

Would the football manager have the sole say in appointing the coach though, from memory Licuria was involved as well.

And didn’t he beat out Adam Kingsley with Pyke pulling out during the process? Was Voss not short listed or did he not apply?

 

[BigFrizz36]

Thinking coming over with 2 SA boys who he'd have played a hell of a lot of footy with in the Campo twins will help significantly. I'm not stressed about it personally.

Saw Draper quoted as saying he was more than happy to go to W A. , when they had pick 3. Not an issue.