List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread

[JGreezy]

He's slow and undersized, would've been a great player 30 years ago but not much chop today

We're probably not going to get great players in trades

 

[DrZaius]

So exciting.

We can lose McKay, Zurhaar, LDU in consecutive years, clean up on compensation picks and eventually have no players over 50 games.

Yeah but we can then let those players go in 6 or 7 years time and get more compo picks!

 

[Farthers]

So exciting.

We can lose McKay, Zurhaar, LDU in consecutive years, clean up on compensation picks and eventually have no players over 50 games.

Our rebuild is the Benjamin Button of rebuilds. Our list gets younger the longer it goes on...

 

[Souup]

I understand that this is a minority view but I genuinely feel we've got a lot of pieces on our list already.

I think we've got 4 big issues right now:
1. Leadership/experience
2. Structural issues
3. Confidence
4. A team with a lot of new faces who haven't played together and aren't predictable to one another.

The fumbling and missing easy targets is confidence-related. Players aren't drafted into the AFL if they can't execute the basics of the game under pressure. When you've got guys like Powell, LDU and Simpkin fumbling around, they're not incapable of being clean, it's just they're devoid of any confidence.

The losing the midfield battle, struggle to stem the flow and difficulty to hit the scoreboard is a mix of leadership and structure. There's good news and bad news here. Good news is structural changes aren't necessarily difficult to change, and can lead to a significant improvement. The bad news is there's no way to fast track experience, leadership and a team that hasn't played much together - they'll get better the more the team plays together.

On point 4, we have several players who have played less than 20 games for our club (Just guys who have been in the side this year: Biggie, Comben, Drury, Dawson, Sellers, Pink, Fisher, Mckercher, Duursma, Wardlaw, Tucker) let alone guys who have played 20 games together as part of the same side. This means you mis-time the handball to an overlap runner, or your kick drops 1 metre short of a target, or you both go up for the spoil in defense or mark up forward instead of one staying down at the drop etc.

It's easy to look at it and dismiss it as 'Oh FFS every second player on this team is a braindead moron who can't execute the most basic of skills', instead of identifying it as a bunch of inexperienced guys who are not predictable to one another because they barely know each other.

I reckon it'll click at some point this season and we'll wonder how it all changed overnight.

 

[Daniltchenko You Beauty]

I understand that this is a minority view but I genuinely feel we've got a lot of pieces on our list already.

I think we've got 3 big issues right now:
1. Leadership/experience
2. Structural issues
3. Confidence

The fumbling and missing easy targets is confidence-related. Players aren't drafted into the AFL if they can't execute the basics of the game under pressure. When you've got guys like Powell, LDU and Simpkin fumbling around, they're not incapable of being clean, it's just they're devoid of any confidence.

The losing the midfield battle, struggle to stem the flow and difficulty to hit the scoreboard is a mix of leadership and structure.

I reckon it'll click at some point this season and we'll wonder how it all changed overnight.

Agreed. We are by far the youngest list in the comp. This is how the youngest list in the comp always goes.

We should be further advanced and more mature but we are paying for decisions of past regimes which is stretching out the rebuild.

On a positive note, it will hopefully give us the ammo to compete with the Giants and Suns in coming years, because they are going to be disgustingly good.

 

[Possession]

I understand that this is a minority view but I genuinely feel we've got a lot of pieces on our list already.

I think we've got 3 big issues right now:
1. Leadership/experience
2. Structural issues
3. Confidence
4. A team with a lot of new faces who haven't played together and aren't predictable to one another.

The fumbling and missing easy targets is confidence-related. Players aren't drafted into the AFL if they can't execute the basics of the game under pressure. When you've got guys like Powell, LDU and Simpkin fumbling around, they're not incapable of being clean, it's just they're devoid of any confidence.

The losing the midfield battle, struggle to stem the flow and difficulty to hit the scoreboard is a mix of leadership and structure. There's good news and bad news here. Good news is structural changes aren't necessarily difficult to change, and can lead to a significant improvement. The bad news is there's no way to fast track experience and leadership and point 4 - they'll get better the more the team plays together.

I reckon it'll click at some point this season and we'll wonder how it all changed overnight.

I agree actually, was thinking about it today and realized that (on paper) it could turn quite quickly. Definitely need a win in the next few weeks though. If we ended up smashing Freo as the first half was tracking then I have to imagine that the following games would have been a bit closer. So much of this is on the whiteboard and in the team's heads.

 

[Harris 10]

I understand that this is a minority view but I genuinely feel we've got a lot of pieces on our list already.

I think we've got 4 big issues right now:
1. Leadership/experience
2. Structural issues
3. Confidence
4. A team with a lot of new faces who haven't played together and aren't predictable to one another.

The fumbling and missing easy targets is confidence-related. Players aren't drafted into the AFL if they can't execute the basics of the game under pressure. When you've got guys like Powell, LDU and Simpkin fumbling around, they're not incapable of being clean, it's just they're devoid of any confidence.

The losing the midfield battle, struggle to stem the flow and difficulty to hit the scoreboard is a mix of leadership and structure. There's good news and bad news here. Good news is structural changes aren't necessarily difficult to change, and can lead to a significant improvement. The bad news is there's no way to fast track experience, leadership and a team that hasn't played much together - they'll get better the more the team plays together.

On point 4, we have several players who have played less than 20 games for our club (Just guys who have been in the side this year: Biggie, Comben, Drury, Dawson, Sellers, Pink, Fisher, Mckercher, Duursma, Wardlaw, Tucker) let alone guys who have played 20 games together as part of the same side. This means you mis-time the handball to an overlap runner, or your kick drops 1 metre short of a target, or you both go up for the spoil in defense or mark up forward instead of one staying down at the drop etc.

It's easy to look at it and dismiss it as 'Oh FFS every second player on this team is a braindead moron who can't execute the most basic of skills', instead of identifying it as a bunch of inexperienced guys who are not predictable to one another because they barely know each other.

I reckon it'll click at some point this season and we'll wonder how it all changed overnight.

I don’t think that’s a minority view at all, I think most would agree.

 

[chubbspeterson]

Because they need a heap of draft picks.

They have other forwards as well.

Draft picks I get but I didn't think they had many big key forwards though on their list apart from Chol.

 

[FlyHigh18]

You’d think so from the vibe, but we don’t really have a surfeit of flankers, especially if we think Sheez, Colby, Scott and even Goater might be better further up field. Another fisher type could be handy or it could be where Tucker turns out to be useful.

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[chubbspeterson]

Crows will be all over Lukosius you'd think.

 

[Harris 10]

Crows will be all over Lukosius you'd think.

Yep, they'll move on from Petty and chase Lukosius

 

[justroyal]

I understand that this is a minority view but I genuinely feel we've got a lot of pieces on our list already.

I think we've got 4 big issues right now:
1. Leadership/experience
2. Structural issues
3. Confidence
4. A team with a lot of new faces who haven't played together and aren't predictable to one another.

The fumbling and missing easy targets is confidence-related. Players aren't drafted into the AFL if they can't execute the basics of the game under pressure. When you've got guys like Powell, LDU and Simpkin fumbling around, they're not incapable of being clean, it's just they're devoid of any confidence.

The losing the midfield battle, struggle to stem the flow and difficulty to hit the scoreboard is a mix of leadership and structure. There's good news and bad news here. Good news is structural changes aren't necessarily difficult to change, and can lead to a significant improvement. The bad news is there's no way to fast track experience, leadership and a team that hasn't played much together - they'll get better the more the team plays together.

On point 4, we have several players who have played less than 20 games for our club (Just guys who have been in the side this year: Biggie, Comben, Drury, Dawson, Sellers, Pink, Fisher, Mckercher, Duursma, Wardlaw, Tucker) let alone guys who have played 20 games together as part of the same side. This means you mis-time the handball to an overlap runner, or your kick drops 1 metre short of a target, or you both go up for the spoil in defense or mark up forward instead of one staying down at the drop etc.

It's easy to look at it and dismiss it as 'Oh FFS every second player on this team is a braindead moron who can't execute the most basic of skills', instead of identifying it as a bunch of inexperienced guys who are not predictable to one another because they barely know each other.

I reckon it'll click at some point this season and we'll wonder how it all changed overnight.

It’s like we need a Higgins or Dal Santo type in half back and half forward to be in those positions to aid leadership/structural issues. But at the same time without impacting the development of our draftees in those spot. So what’s the answer? I think we need a replacement for Lmac from another team and a Stephenson/Zuurhar half forward replacement with experience?

 

[muttley45]

Don't know what his contract status is, but i have only seen Freo's Will Brodie

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Will Brodie

Age

26

Ht

190cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.0

5star

K

8.2

3star

HB

10.8

5star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.9

5star

CL

4.1

5star

D

14.0

3star

K

4.0

1star

HB

10.0

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

2star

CL

3.0

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

5.4

5star

CL

2.8

5star

named as a sub this year, last seen in Rd 7 2023, so obviously injured, has plenty of competition for a spot in their midfield now, 190cm and only about 25yo, thoughts ?

 

[Better Loosen Up]

With the anticipation of losing LDU at the end of next year, I'd be trying to trade next years first rounder for picks in this years first round to accelerate the rebuild if there are players we are keen on.

Losing LDU would then bring us back into the first round again next year and if it turns out he doesn't leave us then it probably means we have had some sort of dramatic turn-around in form which would be great anyway.

 

[Del191229]

I get that, and trust me would love to be able to lure some A-grade talent into the club and not have to take some half-chewed-up players from other teams.

However, how do you get a young A-grader to move to a rebuilding team like us? Improvement? Lifestyle? Money?

Being part of Clarko's next threepeat. The best sell going to players who grew up idolising him.

The situation is nowhere near as bad as folks make out - we are an attractive destination for players and will be even more so once the rebuild gathers steam.

We're not going for A grade talent on the open market right now, why would we, we need to get the kids we just drafted to 50/100 games asap.

That's coming soon though and you'll be very surprised at how successful we are imo

 

[Del191229]

Don't know what his contract status is, but i have only seen Freo's Will Brodie named as a sub this year, last seen in Rd 7 2023, so obviously injured, has plenty of competition for a spot in their midfield now, 190cm and only about 25yo, thoughts ?

He's a scrub who couldn't make it at two teams, no.

 

[Psicosis]

With the anticipation of losing LDU at the end of next year

Wtf?

 

[Makeshift Park]

Good shout The acurate one

 

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[Merlin007]

I understand that this is a minority view but I genuinely feel we've got a lot of pieces on our list already.

I think we've got 4 big issues right now:
1. Leadership/experience
2. Structural issues
3. Confidence
4. A team with a lot of new faces who haven't played together and aren't predictable to one another.

The fumbling and missing easy targets is confidence-related. Players aren't drafted into the AFL if they can't execute the basics of the game under pressure. When you've got guys like Powell, LDU and Simpkin fumbling around, they're not incapable of being clean, it's just they're devoid of any confidence.

The losing the midfield battle, struggle to stem the flow and difficulty to hit the scoreboard is a mix of leadership and structure. There's good news and bad news here. Good news is structural changes aren't necessarily difficult to change, and can lead to a significant improvement. The bad news is there's no way to fast track experience, leadership and a team that hasn't played much together - they'll get better the more the team plays together.

On point 4, we have several players who have played less than 20 games for our club (Just guys who have been in the side this year: Biggie, Comben, Drury, Dawson, Sellers, Pink, Fisher, Mckercher, Duursma, Wardlaw, Tucker) let alone guys who have played 20 games together as part of the same side. This means you mis-time the handball to an overlap runner, or your kick drops 1 metre short of a target, or you both go up for the spoil in defense or mark up forward instead of one staying down at the drop etc.

It's easy to look at it and dismiss it as 'Oh FFS every second player on this team is a braindead moron who can't execute the most basic of skills', instead of identifying it as a bunch of inexperienced guys who are not predictable to one another because they barely know each other.

I reckon it'll click at some point this season and we'll wonder how it all changed overnight.

Might not be popular with those routinely threatening to cancel memberships, but there’s plenty on here who agree %

The test for the coaching group right now is to keep up confidence and belief - Sunday will be an interesting indicator

 

[roo kanga]

Very eye opening stuff from Twomey, the deal locks him in until he hits free agency never heard of that before.

 

[Makeshift Park]

I understand that this is a minority view but I genuinely feel we've got a lot of pieces on our list already.

I think we've got 4 big issues right now:
1. Leadership/experience
2. Structural issues
3. Confidence
4. A team with a lot of new faces who haven't played together and aren't predictable to one another.

The fumbling and missing easy targets is confidence-related. Players aren't drafted into the AFL if they can't execute the basics of the game under pressure. When you've got guys like Powell, LDU and Simpkin fumbling around, they're not incapable of being clean, it's just they're devoid of any confidence.

The losing the midfield battle, struggle to stem the flow and difficulty to hit the scoreboard is a mix of leadership and structure. There's good news and bad news here. Good news is structural changes aren't necessarily difficult to change, and can lead to a significant improvement. The bad news is there's no way to fast track experience, leadership and a team that hasn't played much together - they'll get better the more the team plays together.

On point 4, we have several players who have played less than 20 games for our club (Just guys who have been in the side this year: Biggie, Comben, Drury, Dawson, Sellers, Pink, Fisher, Mckercher, Duursma, Wardlaw, Tucker) let alone guys who have played 20 games together as part of the same side. This means you mis-time the handball to an overlap runner, or your kick drops 1 metre short of a target, or you both go up for the spoil in defense or mark up forward instead of one staying down at the drop etc.

It's easy to look at it and dismiss it as 'Oh FFS every second player on this team is a braindead moron who can't execute the most basic of skills', instead of identifying it as a bunch of inexperienced guys who are not predictable to one another because they barely know each other.

I reckon it'll click at some point this season and we'll wonder how it all changed overnight.

Agree with much of that, but I reckon list imbalance is still one of the top 3 problems contributing to our onfield performance. We lack depth in several positions - lockdown small defenders who have proven to be competent at the level, as well as key forwards, small forwards, etc.

 

[muttley45]

He's a scrub who couldn't make it at two teams, no.

Not quite a scrub in his 1st year at Freo really : 2022 AFL League Midfielder Total Disposals Leaders​
	Rank Player Team Games Total 1​ Clayton Oliver​ Melbourne​ 23​ 753​ 2​ Lachie Neale​ Brisbane​ 25​ 749​ 3​ Jackson Macrae​ Western Bulldogs​ 23​ 705​ 4​ Andrew Brayshaw​ Fremantle​ 24​ 704​ 5​ Christian Petracca​ Melbourne​ 24​ 673​ 6​ Rory Laird​ Adelaide​ 20​ 659​ 7​ Nick Daicos​ Collingwood​ 25​ 644​ 8​ Will Brodie​ Fremantle​ 24​ 643​