List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread

[F_therest]

I know people love the idea of depth players but lets's have a look at what happened after these trades, which were in 2015.

2016: 14th
2017: 16th (Liam Sumner delisted)
2018: 18th (Jed Lamb delisted)
2019: 16th (Andrew Phillips traded, Jarrod Pickett retires due to injury)
2020: 11th
2021: 13th
2022: 9th
2023: 5th (Lachie Plowman retired)

So it took them another eight seasons to play finals, and in that year (2023), only two of those players they traded in were still on the list: Lachie Plowman, who played one game, and Caleb Marchbank, who has played 54 games in five a bit seasons, and is the only survivor.

And in fact, they only started improving once most of those depth players were gone.

But they smashed it out of the park in the draft that year, with three of the top 12 (Weitering, McKay and Curnow) - I reckon that had much more to do with their improvement than babysitting a few depth players for a few years.

I think the depth players we brought in still played a role though in protecting our young guns...and we did find a few longer term players from GWS in Marchbank and Kennedy who are still with us. Worth seeing if you can find a few bargains and use your salary cap space and opportunity for 1st team football to your advantage.

You guys have brought in mature depth though, it's just that jury is out whether they were the right ones and if any can contribute longer term.

Like you said though, our 2015 draft is the biggest reason for our rise, SOS absolutely nailed it. Star power and our key position stocks sorted.

What gets lost though is the work he did to even get the Mckay and Curnow picks...he doesn't get enough credit for that. He had to get creative and trade up the draft...he essentially turned Tom Bell and an early 20s pick into Curnow and Lachie Henderson (who we got Geelongs first round pick for) into Mckay. Amazing work.

Oh and from trading Bryce Gibbs we essentially got picks for De Koning, plus trading in Kennedy and half of McGovern.

Rawlings and Co need to get creative and of course nail the high draft picks.

Funnily enough SOS screwed up our high picks after that with Petrevski Seton, Fisher, Dow, O Brien and Stocker...but did enough in 2015 and through trades to set us on the right path.

 

[Merlin007]

I know people love the idea of depth players but lets's have a look at what happened after these trades, which were in 2015.

2016: 14th
2017: 16th (Liam Sumner delisted)
2018: 18th (Jed Lamb delisted)
2019: 16th (Andrew Phillips traded, Jarrod Pickett retires due to injury)
2020: 11th
2021: 13th
2022: 9th
2023: 5th (Lachie Plowman retired)

So it took them another eight seasons to play finals, and in that year (2023), only two of those players they traded in were still on the list: Lachie Plowman, who played one game, and Caleb Marchbank, who has played 54 games in five a bit seasons, and is the only survivor.

And in fact, they only started improving once most of those depth players were gone.

But they smashed it out of the park in the draft that year, with three of the top 12 (Weitering, McKay and Curnow) - I reckon that had much more to do with their improvement than babysitting a few depth players for a few years.

Good post. Interesting to apply the 2015 timeline for Weitering-McKay-Curnow to our own draft of Will Dawson-Goad last year - took Cartlon 7 years to see that trio take them to a final in 2023.

We've put more into mids, and last year presumably won't be the last of our KP drafting, but still and all it's a very long haul

 

[ChairmanZia]

For anyone who is blabbering that the club is in total shambles, if possible, i would like to pull up the posts of those same gibbering mass and what they said of the club list back in 2020.

If i may take a punt, they were calling for a huge purge of the list (did that exactly after the season), then they called for all those oldies to retire (all gone by the end of 2023).

So in other words, we've done everything that was needed by the 5th year.

If we use the melb, carlton time where they took 13 and 20 years respectively, we haven't even reached the halfway mark

 

[LB2Snake]

Five of the top 16 were academy players that season, including Callum Mills at 3. The following year had four of the top 20 being Academy picks, followed by Brisbane's end of first round PP.

It's been compromised for 30 years.

s**t! Didn’t realise that. There ya go. Then we are just shithouse.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Ben Keays

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is out of contract for Adelaide this year. He’d be the perfect mature ager to bring in who can provide some immediate physicality around the ball or across half forward.

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

Ben Keays is out of contract for Adelaide this year. He’d be the perfect mature ager to bring in who can provide some immediate physicality around the ball or across half forward.

Get us any AFL quality player who can give 100%.

 

[ChairmanZia]

Ben Keays is out of contract for Adelaide this year. He’d be the perfect mature ager to bring in who can provide some immediate physicality around the ball or across half forward.

Correct, we are missing solid body players in the middle.

An andrew swallow would do very well these days.

Rid off zurhaar, uniacke means we get 2 top 4 picks.

We will also mos def get some handouts, those can be used to get mature aged bodies to plug the holes for a few years. We don't need A grade stars but solid players ala tom mitchell.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Correct, we are missing solid body players in the middle.

An andrew swallow would do very well these days.

Rid off zurhaar, uniacke means we get 2 top 4 picks.

We will also mos def get some handouts, those can be used to get mature aged bodies to plug the holes for a few years. We don't need A grade stars but solid players ala tom mitchell.

Zurhaar isn’t getting us first round compensation.

I also doubt we trade LDU this year unless he requests a trade.

 

[ChairmanZia]

Zurhaar isn’t getting us first round compensation.

I also doubt we trade LDU this year unless he requests a trade.

Ummmm if it's a 5 year deal, you can bet it's a band 1 compo.

 

[Chadwiko]

Agree with ChairmanZia ; We are desperately missing big bodies through our midfield. Think your Cripps, Petracca, and Bontempelli types.

I'm not saying we need an 'elite' guy like those three (we do, but that's a separate issue). I'm saying we are badly missing someone with that size and physicality who runs through our midfield.

The closest we have on our list with that ability is probably... Hugh Greenwood

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?

 

[The Nostradamus]

Ben Keays is out of contract for Adelaide this year. He’d be the perfect mature ager to bring in who can provide some immediate physicality around the ball or across half forward.

Nope lol he just signed a 3 year deal last week

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Ummmm if it's a 5 year deal, you can bet it's a band 1 compo.

He won’t get enough $$$ to get band 1 compo. He isn’t getting 1mill+ a year like McKay did last year. He’ll be lucky to get over 700k with his current output.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Nope lol he just signed a 3 year deal last week

Well that’s s**t.

 

[R00StaR]

Agree with ChairmanZia ; We are desperately missing big bodies through our midfield. Think your Cripps, Petracca, and Bontempelli types.

I'm not saying we need an 'elite' guy like those three (we do, but that's a separate issue). I'm saying we are badly missing someone with that size and physicality who runs through our midfield.

The closest we have on our list with that ability is probably... Hugh Greenwood?

LDU is taller than Patracca.

 

[R00StaR]

He won’t get enough $$$ to get band 1 compo. He isn’t getting 1mill+ a year like McKay did last year. He’ll be lucky to get over 700k with his current output.

Probably be end of first round, so pick 19.
Id prefer him to stay, but pick 19 wouldnt be the end of the world either. Allows us to address some other areas for the future.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Berry - free agent give us height in midfield

Go after gws reserves players
Fahey
Gruzewski

 

[Themanbun]

Hypothetically, the league steps in and says

"North, you can have a salary cap concession so you can throw some absurd $ around, and some very early priority picks to help facilitate a trade. You need a GAJ or Judd type deal to help you improve."

Is there anyone in the league that even fits that bill anymore?

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Hypothetically, the league steps in and says

"North, you can have a salary cap concession so you can throw some absurd $ around, and some very early priority picks to help facilitate a trade. You need a GAJ or Judd type deal to help you improve."

Is there anyone in the league that even fits that bill anymore?

None of the superstars of the comp would be gettable, as none of them would come to North regardless of the money we had on offer.

 

[R00StaR]

Pick 1 and Phillips for Sanders and Darcy?

 

[Themanbun]

None of the superstars of the comp would be gettable, as none of them would come to North regardless of the money we had on offer.

Please entertain my thought exercise bro, I need it

 

[Epictetus]

Pick 1 and Phillips for Sanders and Darcy?

So, pick 1 for Sanders (who was pick 5) and Darcy (who is the best or close to the best young tall in the country)?

I think you need to lie down.

 

[pupstar]

Correct, we are missing solid body players in the middle.

An andrew swallow would do very well these days.

Rid off zurhaar, uniacke means we get 2 top 4 picks.

We will also mos def get some handouts, those can be used to get mature aged bodies to plug the holes for a few years. We don't need A grade stars but solid players ala tom mitchell.

I think you are underestimating Tom a bit He was a gun when in his prime.

 

[ChairmanZia]

I think you are underestimating Tom a bit He was a gun when in his prime.

Gun is often a misused term, he wasn't too much better than andrew swallow but they both played similar type roles.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Please entertain my thought exercise bro, I need it

Just say we did get a big chunk of money, with draft capital to burn.

The two people I’d target would be Sam Taylor from GWS and probably Harley Reid.

If we had to target more mature players you’d have to look at bigger bodies or stronger/dynamic runners. Big bodies: Tom Green/Clayton Oliver/Matt Rowell
Runners: Zac Butters/Sam Walsh/Petracca

 

[Midas]

Just say we did get a big chunk of money, with draft capital to burn.

The two people I’d target would be Sam Taylor from GWS and probably Harley Reid.

If we had to target more mature players you’d have to look at bigger bodies or stronger/dynamic runners. Big bodies: Tom Green/Clayton Oliver/Matt Rowell
Runners: Zac Butters/Sam Walsh/Petracca

Yeah I would love to get Max Gawn for his Leadership, Luke Jackson for his ability to do it all, Rankine for our forward line, Curnow would be ok too. Also wouldn’t mind Ashcroft when he’s back from his knee too. Sneaky under the radar type.