List Mgmt. 2024 Trade Thread - No.2

[Plugger35]

I think Mack Ray will be a great addition to our midfield, hopefully he is just as good as his older Bulldogs brother Farren Ray

Farren Ray

Age

38

Ht

187cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.0

4star

K

9.9

4star

HB

8.1

5star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

0.6

3star

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[Nutsngum]

It’s a F3 for Macrae or no deal for me. Pick 43 will be a damn good 18yo and we should retain this pick at all costs, including missing out on Macrae.

We should draw a line with the WB, they can get absolutely ****ed.

Bruce for nothing
Coffield for nothing
They’re current CEO for nothing

Cordy, Wallis, Liberatore, Hunter, Cordy, West, Darcy, Croft all for NOTHING

Ugle-Hagen, Khamis NOTHING

Go and get absolutely ****ed with your pick 24 in a strong draft for a bloody 30yo

We will have to give this years almost certainly but I otherwise agree with you, this draft that pick is going to be in the mid 30s by the time bidding selection is done and this draft is very deep. Bulldogs will absolutely draft a good player using that one, I have no doubt.

Also, on Merrett, his manager was the one who approached the Saints attempting to drum up interest to force a contract renegotiation with Essendon. Scummy as hell.

 

[jwint43]

hawks brought in the iffy mitchell who then won a brownlow.

Lions brought in an iffy neale who did the same, twice.

There are truckloads of examples of teams trading in 'iffy' mids and having success- those are just the headline grabbing ones where it was a gigantic homerun.
Lots of less dramatic (but still successful) examples exist also.

Hell, carlton brought in a very iffy goat from freo- and that turned out pretty well for them

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I have to push back on this a bit.

Neale was 25, a 2x BNF winner and probably Freo's best player besides Fyfe at the time of that trade, I wouldn't call that iffy.

Tom Mitchell was averaging 50 touches a game in the NEAFL and just couldn't crack the absolutely stacked Swans midfield.

Matt Kennedy is so far from either of those, I like him and want him in but he's not going to transform a midfield situation like the examples you provided. Acres is a better example

 

[joydivision22]

We will have to give this years almost certainly but I otherwise agree with you, this draft that pick is going to be in the mid 30s by the time bidding selection is done and this draft is very deep. Bulldogs will absolutely draft a good player using that one, I have no doubt.

Also, on Merrett, his manager was the one who approached the Saints attempting to drum up interest to force a contract renegotiation with Essendon. Scummy as hell.

We don’t HAVE to do anything.

Offer F3 or nothing and be willing to walk. Let’s have a nutsack for once. They hold 0 cards.. as if they will keep a 31yo 850k player rotting out of position who requested a trade.

We’ll be fine without him. We need to keep 43

 

[ThomasR]

Also, on Merrett, his manager was the one who approached the Saints attempting to drum up interest to force a contract renegotiation with Essendon. Scummy as hell.

I'm confused (and maybe a little concerned) about what we could have possibly offered that is "life changing" for a footballer who has already been earning ~900k for a good part of his career and drives around in a Lamborghini. A few extra overseas holidays and some extensions on the house, sure, but life changing? They're easy words for him to say now but no doubt Zach was either a little more interested in getting out of Essendon than he's letting on here, or was just using us as a wedge for negotiations with the club to which he is professing all this loyalty. Either way sounds like he's achieved his goal

 

[austinnn]

It’s a F3 for Macrae or no deal for me. Pick 43 will be a damn good 18yo and we should retain this pick at all costs, including missing out on Macrae.

We should draw a line with the WB, they can get absolutely ****ed.

Bruce for nothing
Coffield for nothing
They’re current CEO for nothing

Cordy, Wallis, Liberatore, Hunter, Cordy, West, Darcy, Croft all for NOTHING

Ugle-Hagen, Khamis NOTHING

Go and get absolutely ****ed with your pick 24 in a strong draft for a bloody 30yo

This is magnificent.
And I couldn't agree more

 

[ThomasR]

We don’t HAVE to do anything.

Offer F3 or nothing and be willing to walk. Let’s have a nutsack for once. They hold 0 cards.. as if they will keep a 31yo 850k player rotting out of position who requested a trade.

We’ll be fine without him. We need to keep 43

A lot hinges on the Battle and Membrey compensation picks. Not adjusting for picks sliding around, best case is something like 7, 8, 24, 38, 43 (Band 1 Battle, Band 4 Membrey). Worst case it's 7, 19, 24, 43 (Band 2 Battle, nothing for Membrey).

In the first case I think 43 is expendable and I'd rather keep the F3 which might not be far off that mark anyway. Wouldn't be offering much more than that though. Maybe 38+43 for Macrae+44 gets it done.

 

[Plugger35]

The Bulldogs also pinched Bevo off us when he was set to be our football manager or coaching manager alongside Richo.

He could have been our caretaker coach instead of Ratten when Richo got the axe so he owes us and he knows it, pay up.

 

[joydivision22]

A lot hinges on the Battle and Membrey compensation picks. Not adjusting for picks sliding around, best case is something like 7, 8, 24, 38, 43 (Band 1 Battle, Band 4 Membrey). Worst case it's 7, 19, 24, 43 (Band 2 Battle, nothing for Membrey).

In the first case I think 43 is expendable and I'd rather keep the F3 which might not be far off that mark anyway. Wouldn't be offering much more than that though. Maybe 38+43 for Macrae+44 gets it done.

Not sure where 38 has apparated from but happy to hold it in your hypothetical.

7, 8, 38, 43 should be the best possible 18yos. This draft looks to drop off after 50 but any player from 11-40 could be as good as each other so no chance in the world I’m willing to give a leg up to the bulldogs.

Macrae can play half forward again next year and purchase an investment property for all I care.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Pretty sure last week on Mid Week Tackle the consensus was that pick 43 for Macrae was more than adequate

 

[austinnn]

Le Archie and any other Essendon supporters wandering around here: "we might be a joke but St Kilda is the punchline"

That doesn't make any sense. If you are the joke then you are also the punchline. And make no mistake you are both. The rest of the footy world is laughing at your club's continued failure to rise to its supporters' lofty expectations, year after year since equalisation wiped out Essendon's advantage and it was bound by the same rules as the rest of us.

Now let's get it straight. We know what we are, we know our history, and if we somehow forgot we've got no-marks like you lining up to remind us. The spoons, the one cup, the dumb decisions and cruel twists of fate. We're still here, still fighting with the rest of the comp looking down on us and tipping the scales whenever they can.

Essendon supporters carry on like their club is a powerhouse of the comp but it isn't and hasn't been since before the invention of the iPod (remember those). Since then, it's been comedy hour at Windy Hill, as well as highly illegal and immoral activities. This last couple of years have been a perfect illustration of what the Bombers are now. Failed to get Clarkson, failed to get Lyon, forced to sack Rutten, removed CEO Thorburn after 1 day(?) In the job, veering on a lawsuit for doing so. Then bringing in players who promise much and deliver little at ridiculous expense. We ourselves gave you the most Essendonny of all our players and his ridiculous salary demands this time last year. Did it stop you losing? Only enough to give you enough hope to hang yourselves with.

You guys all thought you were finally going places this year with Bad Scott and his band of merry mercenaries but we stepped in to kick you out of finals.

I still remember that call by Anthony Hudson in the 3rd quarter: "WHERE ARE YOU ESSENDON?"

We all know where they are, on the bloody Hindenberg about to burst into flames. Richmond have their 3 premierships to keep them warm at the foot of the ladder for the next couple of seasons, but what do you have? Fading memories of Lloyd and Hird making your lot look good, but you carry on acting like it's just a blip and when you're back you can all pretend that you didn't shame yourselves for decades, from the board and various presidents, to the cavalcade of useless coaches to your meme-worthy uberfraud of a list manager fistpumping after snaring Irving Mosquito right through to the gutless players no other club wants because they've been tainted with the red and black streaks of fraudulence and profligacy, fighting with Carlton players for the title of biggest disappointment of an AFL career.

Those player gifs the Dons made a few years ago, that just about sums up the skillset of an Essendon player and supporter; talking a big game. You're the only club with supporters who created a viral YouTube account purely to mock their own club's inadequacy yet so many supporters still want to throw shade on other clubs and pretend you're Nutty Kevin Sheedy twirling his jacket round like a pillock.

Do yourselves a massive favour: Lose the hubris, get back in your box, and concentrate on supporting your own club in its continuing time of trouble. Stay off oppo boards and always remember, any mockery your players or club get is entirely justified.
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