List Mgmt. 2024 Trade Thread - No.2

[Spider Eater]

I was reading how a committee works out the compo pick, but can then recommend a different pick based on other factors.

My feeling is the compo pick will go our way. AFL will acknowledge that we're losing an important player on large coin.

The compo thing has me confused.

The way it is worded makes out that you get 1 compensation pick based on total net losses via free-agency.
Which would mean GWS should get band 1 with all the free agents they look like losing and also Membrey going could contribute to us getting band 1 as well.

Here is a snippet from the AFL site on free agent compensation:

Compensation​ A club that has a net loss of players transferring to/from other clubs as free agents in one transfer period is entitled to compensation via National Draft picks allocated by the AFL. The compensation formula produces a points rating for players based on: 1. The new contract of the free agent; 2. The age of the free agent. Draft picks are allocated to clubs based on the net total points for free agents lost and gained during the transfer period. Draft picks will be allocated to one of five places: • 1st round • end of 1st round • 2nd round • end of 2nd round • 3rd round In applying the formula, an expert committee reviews the formula outcomes. The committee has the power to recommend alternative outcomes to GM – Football Operations where the formula produces a materially anomalous result.

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[Train12]

I think that they just need to point out that their “public” formula/metric hinders us with respect to random cut offs and caps.

For example, the maximum years in consideration for compo is 5.

Battle gets 6.

Battle will fall into the second tier of age as the cut off for the first tier is a birthday after October 1st.

So same age as McKay. But because Battle is a September baby and McKay is December.

One gets more points.

What will be interesting is if the contract has a built in increase - especially during the last 3-4 years. That would then increase the average that “currently starts with an 8”

I also think with Bassat leading the charge about NGA, and father and sons - Brisbane getting the number 1 pick this year being a grand final side.

And

If it’s borderline, I’d be amazed if the afl said F you, here is your late first round.

Bassat would commit murder if it didn’t go our way.

We lost a player in his prime for age and if we aren’t compensated for that, then the gap gets bigger in the afl.

It’s not really in the afl’s best interest to disadvantage us ?

Looking forward to finding out next week ?

 

[Saint Ray]

but is she wrong?

Ah, no.

 

[stavro#4]

I also think with Bassat leading the charge about NGA, and father and sons - Brisbane getting the number 1 pick this year being a grand final side.

And

If it’s borderline, I’d be amazed if the afl said F you, here is your late first round.

Bassat would commit murder if it didn’t go our way.

We lost a player in his prime for age and if we aren’t compensated for that, then the gap gets bigger in the afl.

It’s not really in the afl’s best interest to disadvantage us ?

Looking forward to finding out next week ?

I’m not worried. Infact I’d be pretty shocked if it wasn’t.

If it wasn’t band 1 it would have been ruled out by now.

If it was “that” close. I’m sure there would be some media work done from the club to sell the narrative. I mean that’s what North did last year.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

The compo thing has me confused.

The way it is worded makes out that you get 1 compensation pick based on total net losses via free-agency.
Which would mean GWS should get band 1 with all the free agents they look like losing and also Membrey going could contribute to us getting band 1 as well.

Here is a snippet from the AFL site on free agent compensation:

Compensation​ A club that has a net loss of players transferring to/from other clubs as free agents in one transfer period is entitled to compensation via National Draft picks allocated by the AFL. The compensation formula produces a points rating for players based on: 1. The new contract of the free agent; 2. The age of the free agent. Draft picks are allocated to clubs based on the net total points for free agents lost and gained during the transfer period. Draft picks will be allocated to one of five places: • 1st round • end of 1st round • 2nd round • end of 2nd round • 3rd round In applying the formula, an expert committee reviews the formula outcomes. The committee has the power to recommend alternative outcomes to GM – Football Operations where the formula produces a materially anomalous result.

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You don’t get a better compo pick for losing multiple free agents. You get a separate pick for each one.

You do get compensation diluted if you pick up a free agent.


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[SinCitySainter]

I also think with Bassat leading the charge about NGA, and father and sons - Brisbane getting the number 1 pick this year being a grand final side.

And

If it’s borderline, I’d be amazed if the afl said F you, here is your late first round.

Bassat would commit murder if it didn’t go our way.

We lost a player in his prime for age and if we aren’t compensated for that, then the gap gets bigger in the afl.

It’s not really in the afl’s best interest to disadvantage us ?

Looking forward to finding out next week ?

Unfortunately, it is not in the AFL's best interests to support the poorer clubs like ours.
The best thing for the AFL is to ensure the rich clubs stay around the top of the table to maximize revenues.
The other thing that is important for the AFL is to ensure the filler clubs, i.e. the clubs there to fill out the numbers which includes us, remain competitive so as to avoid the blowouts that no one wants to see.
Keeping a club like St Kilda happily ensconced in midtable is exactly in the AFL's best interests.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Just on the entire Battle compensation scenario. Nathan Buckleys rebuttal on Sen to Tom Morris saying Band 1 would be unlikely was that Free Agency will take into consideration the average salary across the entire deal. (Not what it will be in year 1 as Tom was running with a figure in the 8s)

Assuming that the Hawks offer is a floor of 850k p/y. The salary cap is due to increase by roughly 20% from now until 2028.

Battle would have to have the worst management on the planet to not factor in a yearly wage increase.

An increase as small as 2% each year would then turn his average salary across his deal into 902k. Crossing the rumoured threshold for band 1 (needs to start with a 9).

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Good point. But do you know common it is to factor the increases specifically into contracts? If I recall St Kilda and one of other teams took a specific approach a few years back when the same occurred. I can’t remember which way it went, but remember it was seen as a proactive piece of work. So presumably we covered the increases early to avoid a later issue?

 

[stavro#4]

Good point. But do you know common it is to factor the increases specifically into contracts? If I recall St Kilda and one of other teams took a specific approach a few years back when the same occurred. I can’t remember which way it went, but remember it was seen as a proactive piece of work. So presumably we covered the increases early to avoid a later issue?

Stkilda Essendon and westcoast to varying degrees didn’t.

Hawthorn did.

 

[inntheno]

Parents separated but father still lives under the same roof. Must have been difficult.
I think moreso it was him overtraining in the pre season. Was put on a modified program of just laps and set shots for over a month.
I reckon he never got going due to the combination of things both physically and mentally.
Still he wasn't a complete write off. His numbers were a bit down but still contributed.

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Thanks for the info Joffa, poor kid.
It’s been interesting as to how he has been utilised.
RTB has bristled when asked about using him more in the midfield this year. I see him (as some others do) as a bullocking hard ball get mid who swings forward.
What role do you and/or the club see him playing in 5 years?

 

[Saintos The ITK]

but is she wrong?

I don’t know. I quite like Radelaide.

 

[Saints TV]

St Kilda may have to settle for less than ideal compensation for losing Josh Battle

26

Josh Battle

Age

26

Ht

193cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.9

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

2.4

4star

MG

196.8

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

142.8

3star

D

10.8

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

175.6

3star

, Bulldogs are playing hardball on Macrae, Soldo wants to come to the Saints, and Tim Membrey

28

Tim Membrey

Age

30

Ht

188cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

8.1

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.5

3star

G

1.8

5star

D

9.4

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.3

2star

G

1.5

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

4.8

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

0.6

3star

is in limbo with little interest from Melbourne.

 

[_Maximus_12]

Mitch looks like one of those kids that just naturally eats the gym program, and his body responds super positively. He looked like he was carrying too much weight this year, and lost some zip. Hopefully he can drop some mass and find his groove again