Training 2024 training updates.

[ElliottsMaggies]

Two per list vacancies. So 6, but we have the potential to swap blokes out and in, so could look at more than 6 during preseason.

I was thinking perhaps if one of the VFL listed players; Husthwaite &/or Eyre don't look likely to be selected, that would leave a spot or 2 open to trial another player(s).

 

[Jen2310]

Maybe we will select a player pre Christmas and one post Christmas? Given there are two openings.


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[Apex36]

I just don’t see the club having that much faith in a player that hasn’t played game yet and looks to need a fair bit of development and a player that’s played three times in two years two of those appearances being as the sub. Especially with Adams gone I think the clubs wants a midfielder that can step in if any of our starting mids, especially Mitchell go down. So far Macrae hasn’t shown he can do that and Allan is more chance of playing on flank than in the midfield at AFL level.

And how is Bytel, who was delisted from an inferior squad after barely playing over 3 years ahead of them?

I mean I could at least understand the logic behind Markov, with Fly having worked with him, and having at least a reasonably solid body of work behind him in senior AFL footy. Bytel has none of that, he’s almost at the same point as Fin and barely ahead of Allan. I expect if he doesn’t manage to impress our coaches more than either of Fin and Allan, that he’ll find himself with no contract.

I think you’re wrong on Allan too. Fly isn’t like Buckley who would develop a player in the midfield at VFL level and then play them as a forward and wonder why they failed. Allan is being developed in the midfield and wing. I expect if he plays seniors that’s the role he’ll play too. He’s not being set up to fail.

I also don’t see Eyre as a need unless we move Frampton to ruck depth.

I have a feeling that the club is very wary of Deans injury history at this point, in addition to the uncertainty surrounding Murphy. It would be prudent to have someone waiting in the wings if either, or god forbid both of those boys become unavailable.

 

[Apex36]

Bytel is a cheap insurance policy for a long term injury to Titch and when Titch is fit, he allows us to maintain a similar setup in the VFL as we do in the AFL - that setup will suit the development of Fin and Allan and hopefully assist in their transition into the senior side - I wrote yesterday that Bytel also has potential use as a run-with player

Not buying it. I don’t see the benefit of playing him ahead of either Fin or Allan. It’s not like he’s a proven ball winner at senior level who can step in and fill the void if Titch goes down.

 

[Apex36]

Maybe we will select a player pre Christmas and one post Christmas? Given there are two openings.


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I think it’s extremely unlikely that we’ll select any player before it’s absolutely necessary.

 

[JuniorB]

He's also been training with other senior players, prior to club training starting, even wearing a 23 premiership t-shirt. He's a quality human. I have no doubt those who did get a premiership this year are just as hungry for Johnny to get one next year.

Love JFN!

 

[Bianconeri]

And how is Bytel, who was delisted from an inferior squad after barely playing over 3 years ahead of them?

I never said he was ahead

I mean I could at least understand the logic behind Markov, with Fly having worked with him, and having at least a reasonably solid body of work behind him in senior AFL footy. Bytel has none of that, he’s almost at the same point as Fin and barely ahead of Allan. I expect if he doesn’t manage to impress our coaches more than either of Fin and Allan, that he’ll find himself with no contract.

I expect the same.

I think you’re wrong on Allan too. Fly isn’t like Buckley who would develop a player in the midfield at VFL level and then play them as a forward and wonder why they failed. Allan is being developed in the midfield and wing. I expect if he plays seniors that’s the role he’ll play too. He’s not being set up to fail.

Carmichael played mostly in the midfield in the VFL whilst his most AFL appearances have been at half forward so Fly isn’t immune to such a phenomenon. Given the willingness to development him in the wing at VFL level I’m assuming the coaching staff want him to work on his outside game so he can push for Lipinski/WHE HF/Wing role.

I have a feeling that the club is very wary of Deans injury history at this point, in addition to the uncertainty surrounding Murphy. It would be prudent to have someone waiting in the wings if either, or god forbid both of this boys become unavailable.

If Dean gets injured again we can always give the spot to Eyre later.

It’s more likely Eyre is a train on in case anything happens to Dean/Murphy then Bytel is for Macrae/Allan.

 

[Apex36]

I never said he was ahead


I expect the same.


Carmichael played mostly in the midfield in the VFL whilst his most AFL appearances have been at half forward so Fly isn’t immune to such a phenomenon. Given the willingness to development him in the wing at VFL level I’m assuming the coaching staff want him to work on his outside game so he can push for Lipinski/WHE HF/Wing role.

Carmichael played a mix of mid/forward in the VFL. Whilst he was more mid, much like JDG, it’s not exactly moving him to a role he hadn’t been playing at all, like putting Allan on a flank would be.

If Dean gets injured again we can always give the spot to Eyre later.

It’s more likely Eyre is a train on in case anything happens to Dean/Murphy then Bytel is for Macrae/Allan.

Later? I don’t think we can work on the assumption that he’ll definitely be available to us later. Can’t agree with you on this, we have exceptionally good midfield depth, as was displayed last year when the likes of Crisp and Adams had to be moved to different roles to even fit them in the 22. Our key defensive depth is ok on paper, but it becomes exceptionally thin if half that depth has question marks over them.

 

[Bianconeri]

I disagree. Eyre had a very impressive year at VFL level this year. He is 198cm and and big body, can mark and defend and is agile. Could easily lock down full back allowing Moore to do his thing.I know Dean is on the list as well but he hasn't been reliable as yet. Eyre is also a very good kick. I prefer him to Frampton as a defender. Just my opinion.

I like Eyre. I’m not convinced he’s better than Frampton in defence based on twos form and he has competition in Sofronidis who’s the better fit to replace Howe which is the key back that’s more in need of a back up.

 

[Markfs]

You need to watch him play. Callum Brown had a better year

You really know how to disrespect a player....

 

[Bianconeri]

Carmichael played a mix of mid/forward in the VFL. Whilst he was more mid, much like JDG, it’s not exactly moving him to a role he hadn’t been playing at all, like putting Allan on a flank would be.

Given he’s already played as a winger playing him as a high flanker isn’t exactly a a completely different role.

Later? I don’t think we can work on the assumption that he’ll definitely be available to us later. Can’t agree with you on this, we have exceptionally good midfield depth, as was displayed last year when the likes of Crisp and Adams had to be moved to different roles to even fit them in the 22. Our key defensive depth is ok on paper, but it becomes exceptionally thin if half that depth has question marks over them

If another club snaps him up so be it, we shouldn’t sign him up on the basis of stopping other clubs from getting him if the others prove better options. That’s how you get stuck with Joe Richards for two years when that spot should have been kept open for Markov.

We had a deep midfield in the AFL team, the depth from the VFL team however was lacking.

 

[manicpie]

You really know how to disrespect a player....

Really. I think you're mirror doesn't work. My opinion of an average VFL player is just that. I could even be proven wrong but i certainly won't be taking it to your level of importance.
Tell me why you think he'll make it, I mean, you seem to be up with all the knowledge

 

[Apex36]

Given he’s already played as a winger playing him as a high flanker isn’t exactly a a completely different role.

It’s still a far cry from a mid/forward playing forward/mid

If another club snaps him up so be it, we shouldn’t sign him up on the basis of stopping other clubs from getting him if the others prove better options. That’s how you get stuck with Joe Richards for two years when that spot should have been kept open for Markov.

We had a deep midfield in the AFL team, the depth from the VFL team however was lacking.

Others? What other key defensive options are we trialling? The only other tall is Sofranides who by all reports is more a Howe/Stewart type.
I never said sign him up to stop other clubs getting him? I don’t think we’d be trialling him if we felt comfortable with our key defensive depth as it currently stands. If it turns out he’s not quite at the standard we need we don’t recruit him, but I think it’s pretty clear the club regards him as someone who could potentially fill a need.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

 

[VinnieB]

I'm surprised you know what the end of a broken franga looks like, I'd keep that one to myself

I’ve taken a strong interest in the matter, since I found out I have never met my real father.

 

[Bianconeri]

Others? What other key defensive options are we trialling? The only other tall is Sofranides who by all reports is more a Howe/Stewart type.

I never said they had to be key defenders

I never said sign him up to stop other clubs getting him? I don’t think we’d be trialling him if we felt comfortable with our key defensive depth as it currently stands. If it turns out he’s not quite at the standard we need we don’t recruit him, but I think it’s pretty clear the club regards him as someone who could potentially fill a need.

And I don’t think we’d be trialling two inside mids if we we’re comfortable with our inside mid depth.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I’ve taken a strong interest in the matter, since I found out I have never met my real father.

 

[Mark W]

I disagree. Eyre had a very impressive year at VFL level this year. He is 198cm and and big body, can mark and defend and is agile. Could easily lock down full back allowing Moore to do his thing.I know Dean is on the list as well but he hasn't been reliable as yet. Eyre is also a very good kick. I prefer him to Frampton as a defender. Just my opinion.

I can’t agree with such a positive assessment.

Firstly I agree he has some tools, genuine KP size, excellent mobility, some nice composure and one thing you left out, a booming kick..

but…

“very impressive”? can’t agree, somewhat promising at best, a few nice things a few signs but not many if any genuinely good games..

“can mark…?” not well enough, gets his hands to it a lot, but they often don’t stick.

can defend? Not well enough, lacks the intensity of a Checkers or Murph. His style is laconic rather than manic, he isn’t great in the contest.

So based on what I’ve seen in 2023, an almost footballer, tantalising. Looks promising and kept waiting for that breakout game that never came. Now I’m not against him getting a chance, I reiterate he has some weapons…we have a wonderful coaching group, but we’d be picking on potential rather than performance

 

[whiskeytown]

Contrary to what some may think… bytel has shown he can win contested ball at senior level… and lay tackles

AFL Tables - Jack Bytel - Stats - Statistics

I was initially sceptical but if 2-3 of this batch have to be picked then having Bytel on onboard makes more sense than some of the others

 

[Markfs]

Really. I think you're mirror doesn't work. My opinion of an average VFL player is just that. I could even be proven wrong but i certainly won't be taking it to your level of importance.
Tell me why you think he'll make it, I mean, you seem to be up with all the knowledge

The old "you're either with us or against us" BF theory. Just because I put forward a few views about why he might be tried out, doesn't mean that I think he's going to make it. I just saw that the st.kilda boy was below average in most measures for 5 years......phew...and we're expecting a turnaround?

I've said a few times that I like mature aged guys being tried out and I cant wind back on that. But I've also said a number of times that I'm not keen on derek's drafting of non-athetic "good footballers" like bianco, so I cant really flop over and suggest we should pick this non-athletic trier.

I do think that he could be a good role model for the youngsters over summer.

I also think that our premium inside midfielder is slower than pendles and kicks the ball about as long as I used to kick it, so our man doesnt have much to beat in the athletic stakes...

And dont rib me on my total lack of knowledge. I try hard but I just dont have the mental capabilities to understand the complicated issues.

 

[Mollythedolly]

I think the same, but Leppa and McRae might be having Kane Lambert memories - who would have been viewed the same whilst plugging away in a VFL team.

I'd likely be more excited myself if I thought Hustwaite projected as a Lambert type, even Lambert pre-draft.

 

[Mollythedolly]

It's the last 2 spots on our list.
Whoever we take is unlikely to play unless we get injuries.
It was a shallow draft so we were never going to get superstar prospect late in the draft.
We are in a flag window so an 18 year old project player doesn't help anyway.
We only have to give the SSP a 1 year contract unlike the draft (3 or 2 years minimum), and the MSD can be nominated as 2 or 1 years.

Realistically the 1/2 SSP just need to be healthy, be a good team culture fit (train hard, etc.) and provide flexibility with who they could come in for in case of injuries.

Understand all that, just not excited by Hustwaite as a SSP or senior team prospect. Risk-reward from my perspective suggests there's greater potential benefit, especially longer term, from an 18yo project player. Especially given our success over the year taking those types on 1 year rookie deals. Especially when we have Bytel essentially training for what I can only perceive as similar roles.

 

[Fat Jesus]

Understand all that, just not excited by Hustwaite as a SSP or senior team prospect. Risk-reward from my perspective suggests there's greater potential benefit, especially longer term, from an 18yo project player. Especially given our success over the year taking those types on 1 year rookie deals. Especially when we have Bytel essentially training for what I can only perceive as similar roles.

It's not about your level of excitement.
Fly and the coaching staff are just trialling him.
I remember you being an Oleg disliker as well.
Leave it up to fly and Co.

 

[JOELY]

Contrary to what some may think… bytel has shown he can win contested ball at senior level… and lay tackles

AFL Tables - Jack Bytel - Stats - Statistics

I was initially sceptical but if 2-3 of this batch have to be picked then having Bytel on onboard makes more sense than some of the others

On face value some of those possession counts look really low but if you check the time on ground percentage it looks like he was the sub for a lot of them or he got injured. He didn't play in 2022 but 2021 look similar. Not saying he lit it up when he played the whole game but he does seem like he was used as the sub a lot and that explains those super low games.

 

[sam_e]

Maybe we will select a player pre Christmas and one post Christmas? Given there are two openings.


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Jen, which way do you think they'll go with the current train-ons?