Training 2024 training updates.

[Apex36]

Yet he beat a player widely regarded as THE driving force behind in many people minds the the Premiership favourites, defence and attack in the most important game in many years, which we won by the narrowest of margins.

No doubt he could have taken two marks and maybe kicked two goals, which would have made him the stuff of legend, but end the end he did his job.

I can't find anything to complain about regards Frampton, only respect.

“Beat” is a generous description considering that Frampton had no goals and 2 disposals while Andrews had 16 disposals and 9 marks.

You’re right that he did his job to the best of his ability, but the hero worship that Billy is being given for his performance is beyond baffling to me, and to most neutral supporters who were watching.

 

[Abdul_The_Bull]

“Beat” is a generous description considering that Frampton had no goals and 2 disposals while Andrews had 16 disposals and 9 marks.

You’re right that he did his job to the best of his ability, but the hero worship that Billy is being given for his performance is beyond baffling to me, and to most neutral supporters who were watching.

I'm not sure that there has been 'hero worship' vibes lavished upon Billy, more an acknowledgement that he played his role. There were many that suggested he didn't deserve to collect his medal, which is equally baffling.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

I'm not sure that there has been 'hero worship' vibes lavished upon Billy, more an acknowledgement that he played his role. There were many that suggested he didn't deserve to collect his medal, which is equally baffling.

You must hang around with Frampton haters. Nobody of my acquaintance or knowledge has suggested he should have been refused or refused the medal. I see him as the Steven Bradbury of AFL footy finalists.

 

[Apex36]

I'm not sure that there has been 'hero worship' vibes lavished upon Billy, more an acknowledgement that he played his role. There were many that suggested he didn't deserve to collect his medal, which is equally baffling.

There has, albeit not from everyone. Billy played his role, he attempted to nullify Andrews to the best of his ability, and he did an ok job for 3 quarters. He completely failed from an offensive perspective, which most people seem to gloss over, but 2 pretty easy marks dropped that would have resulted in set shots in a tight game is pretty significant and would have been talked about ad nauseum had we narrowly lost rather than narrowly won the game.

Did he deserve his medal? Of course, he did. But as I said at the beginning of this discussion, having a premiership medal speaks little about the quality of the player themself overall.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

All well and good but how do you train a player to avoid being sniped with an elbow off the ball by some st kilda flog?

You say that like that's been the cause of all his concussions?

Because it hasn't

You can only control what you can control and part of Murph's issue is being too courageous for his own good. You'd think you would at least want to minimise the concussions he can control himself.

 

[Apex36]

You say that like that's been the cause of all his concussions?

Because it hasn't

You can only control what you can control and part of Murph's issue is being too courageous for his own good. You'd think you would at least want to minimise the concussions he can control himself.

I don’t believe I did. The point though, was that you can train a player as much as you want, but unfortunately you can’t train them to avoid being sniped. Let’s hope if a Caminiti incident ever occurs again they’ll have the flipping book thrown at them, because another shot like that could be career ending.

 

[ksardog]

As we should all be.

Happy Festivus everyone.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

As we should all be.

Happy Festivus everyone.

And Happy Gravy Day everyone!!!!!!!!!

 

[FromTheBoundaryLine]

“Beat” is a generous description considering that Frampton had no goals and 2 disposals while Andrews had 16 disposals and 9 marks.

You’re right that he did his job to the best of his ability, but the hero worship that Billy is being given for his performance is beyond baffling to me, and to most neutral supporters who were watching.

It’s funny but I feel that Andrew’s’ 16 disposals and 9 marks were hardly influential and and he wouldn’t have been close to one Brisbane’s best on the day so comparing the stats doesn’t really tell us much. If pressed I would rate Billy as the more influential on the outcome.

 

[Mick F]

It’s funny but I feel that Andrew’s’ 16 disposals and 9 marks were hardly influential and and he wouldn’t have been close to one Brisbane’s best on the day so comparing the stats doesn’t really tell us much. If pressed I would rate Billy as the more influential on the outcome.

How many marks did Moore take?

 

[Harry O]

How many marks did Moore take?

Was playing with at least 3 different injuries and severely restricted as a result

 

[Big Bryza]

“Beat” is a generous description considering that Frampton had no goals and 2 disposals while Andrews had 16 disposals and 9 marks.

You’re right that he did his job to the best of his ability, but the hero worship that Billy is being given for his performance is beyond baffling to me, and to most neutral supporters who were watching.

Andrews did SFA for 3 quarters. He had somewhat of an impact in the final quarter but all in all, Billy did a very good job.

 

[Big Bryza]

There has, albeit not from everyone. Billy played his role, he attempted to nullify Andrews to the best of his ability, and he did an ok job for 3 quarters. He completely failed from an offensive perspective, which most people seem to gloss over, but 2 pretty easy marks dropped that would have resulted in set shots in a tight game is pretty significant and would have been talked about ad nauseum had we narrowly lost rather than narrowly won the game.

Did he deserve his medal? Of course, he did. But as I said at the beginning of this discussion, having a premiership medal speaks little about the quality of the player themself overall.

Billy was far more influential than Ginni on GF day.

 

[jmac70]

Billy should get a statue and a public holiday.
Frampton Day should replace Xmas Day. There should be a new law that all first born sons are named Frampton.

 

[No SPIN]

It’s funny but I feel that Andrew’s’ 16 disposals and 9 marks were hardly influential and and he wouldn’t have been close to one Brisbane’s best on the day so comparing the stats doesn’t really tell us much. If pressed I would rate Billy as the more influential on the outcome.

Was Fagan happy with Andrew’ influence/impact? I’d say that’s the litmus test, and answer would be a resounding NO.
So I agree stats don’t tell the story.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Andrews did SFA for 3 quarters. He had somewhat of an impact in the final quarter but all in all, Billy did a very good job.

He did a good job nullifying and blanketing but did not play the kind of role McStay or and genuine CHF would have done. I am OK with him playing the odd game when strategically appropriate in the position, but want someone with a more positive role to play there in McStay's absence.

 

[Doc1763]

He did a good job nullifying and blanketing but did not play the kind of role McStay or and genuine CHF would have done. I am OK with him playing the odd game when strategically appropriate in the position, but want someone with a more positive role to play there in McStay's absence.

agree, but he was all we had available on the day. I dont think he'll be playing forward again.

 

[Jen2310]

 

[Hardas]

Well-timed.

 

[Apex36]

It’s funny but I feel that Andrew’s’ 16 disposals and 9 marks were hardly influential and and he wouldn’t have been close to one Brisbane’s best on the day so comparing the stats doesn’t really tell us much. If pressed I would rate Billy as the more influential on the outcome.

I can only put that down to bias sorry.

 

[Apex36]

Billy was far more influential than Ginni on GF day.

What’s your obsession with Ginni? I agree with you, but Ginni has literally nothing to do with this.

 

[Apex36]

agree, but he was all we had available on the day. I dont think he'll be playing forward again.

Which was my point all along. Frampton having a premiership medal is less about his quality and more about what we had available. A premiership medal doesn’t automatically mean you’re a star, or even a good player.
Billy did an ok job, but he’s a far better defender than forward and we should settle him in the role we recruited him for and give him the best chance of success.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I can only put that down to bias sorry.

I think of it as though Frampton played as a tagger on Andrews. Andrews is a gun, Frampton did his job and was able to curtail his influence for three quarters, and then Andrews started to get off the chain in the last and Frampton spent more time on the bench.

Frampton mostly did his job, Andrews is a terrific player and we quelled his influence for the majority of the game.

If it was Macrae coming in and playing as a tagger on Neale for the entire game, and kept him to 18 touches (let’s say 6 in the last) you’d say he went ok and helped the team get the W in a mostly forgettable performance.

 

[Bianconeri]

If it was Macrae coming in and playing as a tagger on Neale for the entire game, and kept him to 18 touches (let’s say 6 in the last) you’d say he went ok and helped the team get the W in a mostly forgettable performance.

That scenario isn’t really comparable though.

It would be more like Neale getting 28 possessions and 15 in the last.

 

[Apex36]

I think of it as though Frampton played as a tagger on Andrews. Andrews is a gun, Frampton did his job and was able to curtail his influence for three quarters, and then Andrews started to get off the chain in the last and Frampton spent more time on the bench.

Frampton mostly did his job, Andrews is a terrific player and we quelled his influence for the majority of the game.

If it was Macrae coming in and playing as a tagger on Neale for the entire game, and kept him to 18 touches (let’s say 6 in the last) you’d say he went ok and helped the team get the W in a mostly forgettable performance.

The bolded is pretty much exactly what I’ve been trying to say about Frampton.