USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris

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[Blue1980]

Trump without hesitation would want a debate with Harris. Harris was terrible in the Democratic primary debates and was why she withdrew so early on.

Harris struggled as she had to actually answer questions which is something she would have to do in order to win a debate. As soon as the border questions come up I worry about her ability to answer them.

Thing is Trump wasn’t actually any good himself at the debate in June. He could just finish his sentences, but it was all fact free BS and nonsensical crap.

The idea Kamela wouldn’t do better than Biden in a debate is absurd. Admittedly it’s a very low bar.

I don’t think Trump is a very strong debater anyway, I mean he steamrolled the neo con moron republicans he was up against in 2016, but I don’t think anyone thought he won debates v Hillary or Biden in 2020.

I know he won 2016, but that was more hubris on the Dems part than anything, and picking a terribly unpopular candidate.

 

[GreyCrow]

Almost fell asleep at the RNC source please…

You are absolutely correct

He didnt almost fall asleep he did fall asleep

I posted photos



Sorry I was tragically mistaken

HE WAS IN PRAYER

DON FREAKIN TRUMP Praying oh please

 

[Blue1980]

The bat signal has been sent out for Stephen Miller.

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He is like a stereotypical Nazi. He looks like he is straight out of 1935 Germany, feel like I see a dozen guys look like him on the Netflix Hitler doco.

 

[faible]

It’s not like Trump has ever directly actually answered a question, she’d be fine

I suspect people posting about Harris that way haven't actually seen her at a debate. Maybe watched some cherry picked clips on Fox News at best.

She's fine.

Buttigieg and Newsom are outstanding, and she's not at that level, but she doesn't need to be.

If she can force Trump on to policy, she wins the debate easily. If she can force Trump to throw insults at her and keeps her cool, she wins the debate.

What she needs to do is not get rattled when he inevitably tries to drag the debate down in to the mud, and just treat him like the criminals she's prosecuted.

 

[DapperDon]

Imagine someone asking you where you get your information from and you have to answer “some dude on TV yelled it at me”

Who falls for this nonsense?

 

[Randomizor]

I suspect people posting about Harris that way haven't actually seen her at a debate. Maybe watched some cherry picked clips on Fox News at best.

She's fine.

Buttigieg and Newsom are outstanding, and she's not at that level, but she doesn't need to be.

If she can force Trump on to policy, she wins the debate easily. If she can force Trump to throw insults at her and keeps her cool, she wins the debate.

What she needs to do is not get rattled when he inevitably tries to drag the debate down in to the mud, and just treat him like the criminal's she's prosecuted.

Exactly. Dealt with plenty of criminals in her time. Trump is just one more on the list. Simples.

 

[Blue1980]

Would have to be something in it for Trump to debate,
Just reading Trump want's a refund for campaign costs when running against Biden.
Such a classy person.

I mean even Joe in decline still beat him in 2020 debate, though much of that was the Trump implosion of being a complete moron and succumbing to his worst impulses.

Lol wanting a refund, a refund from whom, treat it as a charity donation and get all money back?

 

[spinynorman]

Is she likely to do that when she has a Jewish husband?

I think there were stories that she's been internally pushing Biden to be more forceful in his push for a ceasefire, and while she's obviously toed the administration's line, her tone has at least been different to Biden's.

I don't expect her to be joining the college protests, but she can take a stronger stance against Netanyahu than Biden's done.

 

[faible]

Can they actually just change the nomination to be Harris or do they vote on it? Feel like a few potential candidates are quiet and maybe working out the numbers before they fully endorse Harris.

AFAIK Whitmer, Newsom and Shapiro have all endorsed her which are the three biggest names.

Harris & Whitmer would be an all-female ticket which I don't think the US is ready for.
Harris & Newsom would be two Californians so you have the 'ermagahd coastal elites' problem.
Harris & Shapiro would cover the bases best.

Buttigieg is a brilliant speaker but no chance the Dems run a black woman and gay man ticket in the US.

 

[Blue1980]

Manchin? Thinks he is a contender? The fraud who left the party and voted against them?

The Democrats are truly stupid if he gets anywhere near the 1st 20 in line to the President roles

Even Keifer Sutherland should be in line in front of him

Krysten Sinema has entered the chat

 

[bourbons]

Trump has said project 2025 is extreme and nothing to do with him. Would be a major backflip as some speculate to “enforce” it

I err... think you may be overestimating the blowback from his base in the eventuality of that backflip, to put it mildly

 

[Blue1980]

I've noticed in the 3 responses no one has actually said Harris would win a debate with Trump. I think this would be the worry with her as a candidate.

Can they actually just change the nomination to be Harris or do they vote on it? Feel like a few potential candidates are quiet and maybe working out the numbers before they fully endorse Harris.

I think Harris would win a debate with Trump.

Whether that translates to an election victory would remain to be seen.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

the mispelled one?

The Buffalo Township Volunteer Fire company, where Comperatore was chief, provided clarity earlier this week:

“The spelling on his jacket was in error years ago and it was left that way by Corey. Corey did not change it and we will keep it as it was. I understand it may seem confusing but that was Corey’s choice to change it and he didn’t,” the company said in a Facebook comment after sharing photos of the gear on display outside the firehouse.

 

[Randomizor]

AFAIK Whitmer, Newsom and Shapiro have all endorsed her which are the three biggest names.

Harris & Whitmer would be an all-female ticket which I don't think the US is ready for.
Harris & Newsom would be two Californians so you have the 'ermagahd coastal elites' problem.
Harris & Shapiro would cover the bases best.

Buttigieg is a brilliant speaker but no chance the Dems run a black woman and gay man ticket in the US.

I think Harris/Kelly would be an elite ticket. Who doesn’t want to vote for the astronaut?

 

[Spearman]

Imagine someone asking you where you get your information from and you have to answer “some dude on TV yelled it at me”

Who falls for this nonsense?

anyone who regurgitates Fox talking points as proofs in a discussion

 

[10571z]

You are absolutely correct

He didnt almost fall asleep he did fall asleep

I posted photos

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Sorry I was tragically mistaken

HE WAS IN PRAYER

DON FREAKIN TRUMP Praying oh please

He was quite clearly praying if you watch the video. Laughable how easily you were hoaxed by misinformation

 

[spinynorman]

It’s not really comparable to 68, Bobby Kennedy was popular before he was assasinated wasn’t he?

It's an awkward comparison because primaries weren't fully what they are now (case in point: Humphrey didn't win any of them), but Johnson had two strong, clear opponents in McCarthy and Kennedy. The comparison is more in that it's the last time the sitting president opted to not run for another term when they had an opportunity to and were instead replaced by their Vice President (likely). Gaza's not hurting Biden as much as ageing is (or as much as Vietnam was Johnson), but it's the biggest policy problem for the Democrats' candidate.

 

[faible]

He was quite clearly praying if you watch the video. Laughable how easily you were hoaxed by misinformation

Wonder which book of the bible he was thinking about as he prayed.

 

[GreyCrow]

He was quite clearly praying if you watch the video. Laughable how easily you were hoaxed by misinformation

The fraud doesnt have a religious bone in his body

Praying please

 

[Randomizor]

The fraud doesnt have a religious bone in his body

Praying please

I think he was just closing his big beautiful eyes and taking it all in

 

[Hank Scorpion]

Trump almost fell asleep at the RNC and he slept through his trial. It’s time to start wondering: is 78 too old to be a nominee?

Oldest nominated candidate in history. Embarrassingly weak and low energy.

 

[darrenmorgan]

AFAIK Whitmer, Newsom and Shapiro have all endorsed her which are the three biggest names.

Harris & Whitmer would be an all-female ticket which I don't think the US is ready for.
Harris & Newsom would be two Californians so you have the 'ermagahd coastal elites' problem.
Harris & Shapiro would cover the bases best.

Buttigieg is a brilliant speaker but no chance the Dems run a black woman and gay man ticket in the US.

agree with this, Harris and Shapiro makes most sense.

 

[Randomizor]

Old nominated candidate in history. Embarrassingly weak and low energy.

We all saw him struggling to walk down a ramp in 2020. He’s even older now. Can a frail person like that really lead a country?

 

[Hank Scorpion]

The fraud doesnt have a religious bone in his body

Praying please

This guy not religious? Surely not!?

 

[bourbons]

"And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?”

Yep. During the height of the pandemic he thought out loud. How far this quote has been taken is laughable. A nothing back of a napkin idea.

Probably an idea during the height of the pandemic not to think out loud live in a nationally televised presser.