USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris

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[10571z]

Definitely an election campaign goal to get people to believe his stories about refugees and immigration.

You think illegal immigration has been well handle under Biden?

 

[Chief]

You think illegal immigration has been well handle under Biden?

I think the Trump campaign will do their best to pretend it's a hellish nightmare of razor-teethed criminals coming for your daughter's purity.

 

[bourbons]

Has Trump still not contacted the family? I know Biden tried to get in contact but apparently, the wife refused to talk to the sitting POTUS because her husband was such a staunch Republican - real wtf moment there.

Real opportunity lost to reach across the political divide and lower the temperature from the wife there.

Stokey will be disappoint.

 

[swingdog]

He's trying to do the Trump thing where you just waffle on about nothing, but isn't very good at it.

Apparently Trump didn't like Vance's convention speech - felt it was too presidential rather than vice-presidential - so maybe this is him dialling it back.

Of course, he's dialled it back to the level of getting stuck with Steve from Accounts at the pub.,

 

[Financialpanther]

JD Vance is a mistake as VP pick.

Whilst the change in Dem Pres candidate may not ultimately make a difference in the result - waiting until the RNC confirmed their picks at the convention is a bit of a chef's kiss in terms of making the decision for VP suddenly a lot different.

 

[faible]

He only has one job. "Do not talk about anything of substance."

Apparently Trump didn't like Vance's convention speech - felt it was too presidential rather than vice-presidential - so maybe this is him dialling it back.

Of course, he's dialled it back to the level of getting stuck with Steve from Accounts at the pub.,

When your policy platform is 'don't release any policy details' it does give you limited things to actually talk about. People seem to go to Trump rallies for a 'show' instead of policy points, Vance doesn't put on a show.

 

[Magnum27]

The Simpsons at it again

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/flashback/time-travellers-fans-spot-truly-wild-new-simpsons-prediction/news-story/dfa9a8e52a837727777bf90a24a9ddde

 

[BigTacoBandit]

Michelle VP?

Can Barack run as VP?

 

[Saint Shags]

Yet. Wait about a few years.

Difference here is compulsory voting. Over there both sides have to appeal to the real dedicated voters. So it is more extreme there. Here there's a lot of middle that will swap and change depending on circumstance. Don't think it will get that bad here. That extreme rhetoric doesn't have the same impact.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

THe GOP in general has an excellent ability to take objectively intelligent people and make them come across as idiots. JD Vance will be the latest.

This happens becuase they believe things they can't say, and have to say things they don't believe, in the pursuit of power, so it comes across as inauthentic and stupid. JD doesn't think that the Dems believe everything is racist, but the thinks it's what the GOP voters want to hear so he bumbles something about Diet Mountain Dew being racist and looks like a moron.

What he really wants to talk about is deregulation so that companies can do what they want in order to make profits at the expense of the majority of the voters, but for obvious reasons he can't do that.

 

[faible]

Difference here is compulsory voting. Over there both sides have to appeal to the real dedicated voters. So it is more extreme there. Here there's a lot of middle that will swap and change depending on circumstance. Don't think it will get that bad here. That extreme rhetoric doesn't have the same impact.

Also the AEC stamps out a lot of 'fraudulent election' nonsense, not having voting day be on a Tuesday which impacts poor workers more being able to vote, insufficient polling booths, and a level of gerrymandering that no one would get away with here.

 

[Saint Shags]

Also the AEC stamps out a lot of 'fraudulent election' nonsense, not having voting day be on a Tuesday which impacts poor workers more being able to vote, insufficient polling booths, and a level of gerrymandering that no one would get away with here.

Were it not for the ghost of the "Deep State" shit it would be good to see some reform over there and implementation of a truly independent electoral commission in charge of voting and district boundaries.

And yes if having the Vote on a Tuesday. Make it a public holiday ffs.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Difference here is compulsory voting. Over there both sides have to appeal to the real dedicated voters. So it is more extreme there. Here there's a lot of middle that will swap and change depending on circumstance. Don't think it will get that bad here. That extreme rhetoric doesn't have the same impact.

Agreed.

In 2020 the US saw about 66% of eligible voters vote. Biden recieved votes from approx 35% of eligible voters (against 51% of actual voters), Trump 31% (47% of actual voters).

If we had similar here, you'd see some extreme right/left winger, win 30% of eligble voters but get crushed by the 70% who would vote the other side.

 

[Forward Press]

Long time watcher, first time poster (in this thread anyway)

Harris being a unanimous nominee without any fuss is the ideal way to defeat Trump:

• Experienced, accomplished, and no matter what your views are, she is definitely qualified for the top job by virtue of her senior law roles and Vice Presidency (whether you think she is competent is another matter)
• An uncontested convention where all the Democrats throw their weight behind her means they can focus on the only job at hand - uniting to defeat Donald Trump again in November
• 'DEI' is a dirty word for only those who were never voting Democrat anyway - in real life, a woman of colour will increase the percentages of women and POC voting Democrat, definitely, the question is whether it's enough
• Thank you to Biden etc etc but whether he jumped or was pushed, it was always the right move to step aside because it allows the Democrats to successfully pivot to questions of Trump's age and mental clarity, a party of old white men etc. The Biden re-election campaign was doomed (whether you agree with the media questions or not), he wasn't attracting voters that didn't vote for him last election whereas the Trump attempted assassination and perception of still being fit to lead was boosting his numbers

The record numbers of donations to Kamala Harris on the day Biden announced he would not seek the nomination is undeniable proof that she can attract the finances - and votes - to win. I would still have Trump favourite, for now.

 

[Royces Hart]

"devout Republican" was the quote.

I think formally, they are Orthodox Republicans.

 

[Satan]

Long time watcher, first time poster (in this thread anyway)

Harris being a unanimous nominee without any fuss is the ideal way to defeat Trump:

• Experienced, accomplished, and no matter what your views are, she is definitely qualified for the top job by virtue of her senior law roles and Vice Presidency (whether you think she is competent is another matter)
• An uncontested convention where all the Democrats throw their weight behind her means they can focus on the only job at hand - uniting to defeat Donald Trump again in November
• 'DEI' is a dirty word for only those who were never voting Democrat anyway - in real life, a woman of colour will increase the percentages of women and POC voting Democrat, definitely, the question is whether it's enough
• Thank you to Biden etc etc but whether he jumped or was pushed, it was always the right move to step aside because it allows the Democrats to successfully pivot to questions of Trump's age and mental clarity, a party of old white men etc. The Biden re-election campaign was doomed (whether you agree with the media questions or not), he wasn't attracting voters that didn't vote for him last election whereas the Trump attempted assassination and perception of still being fit to lead was boosting his numbers

The record numbers of donations to Kamala Harris on the day Biden announced he would not seek the nomination is undeniable proof that she can attract the finances - and votes - to win. I would still have Trump favourite, for now.

Also the 30000 volunteers joining

 

[Sqotty from office works]

Can Barack run as VP?

NO

 

[faible]

NO

Sad given he's been running the country as the deep state or some such since 2009.

 

[Forward Press]

Also the 30000 volunteers joining

Yep - again, no matter your views, Biden dropping out has energised the race. The question now - as it will be until November - is whether it's enough.

In terms of political strategy, this was optimum. Still four months left (so enough time, but cutting it close) but took away the oxygen from the assassination attempt and Republican convention. It is up to the Democrats to see if they want an open convention which could potentially wipe out all the gains made from Biden stepping away because disunity is death for a political party. They need their senior figures like Obama, Clintons etc to endorse Harris imo if they want to win.

 

[darrenmorgan]

Has Trump still not contacted the family? I know Biden tried to get in contact but apparently, the wife refused to talk to the sitting POTUS because her husband was such a staunch Republican - real wtf moment there.

Biden called her on the day. Trump called 5 days later because he wanted to borrow his fireman outfit to use as a prop.

 

[BigTacoBandit]

NO

Why not?

 

[Bluelegs]

Why not?

The vibe

 

[Chief]

The Simpsons at it again

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/flashback/time-travellers-fans-spot-truly-wild-new-simpsons-prediction/news-story/dfa9a8e52a837727777bf90a24a9ddde

haha - "suit kind of the same type of colour and necklace kind of similar!"

 

[Forward Press]

The vibe

It's the vibe, the law, Mabo, the constitution.

The constitution actually is not clear on this. Clear two term limit for President but silent on VP. Would no doubt end up before SCOTUS anyway.

 

[Satan]

Yep - again, no matter your views, Biden dropping out has energised the race. The question now - as it will be until November - is whether it's enough.

In terms of political strategy, this was optimum. Still four months left (so enough time, but cutting it close) but took away the oxygen from the assassination attempt and Republican convention. It is up to the Democrats to see if they want an open convention which could potentially wipe out all the gains made from Biden stepping away because disunity is death for a political party. They need their senior figures like Obama, Clintons etc to endorse Harris imo if they want to win.

think biden has , others will wait till harris is official so its them not anointing her before the convention