USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

[Borough Blood]

Yep. Even though they know better candidates, still worship her because she isn't Trump.

America is in a world of pain either way.

Ok fair enough. I strongly disagree but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

 

[adogsfan5]

You want proof of the future?

So it’s an assumption. Gotcha.

 

[Maggie5]

This is hilarious.

The funny part of him at that dinner was him complaining about not having a teleprompter yet not so long ago he was saying he hates teleprompters. They guy is nuts!

 

[OneGreatClub]

A good watch

 

[darrenmorgan]

The Jack Smith stuff is the new Mueller investigation m8... it was interesting for the first year or so, now it's like the 3rd hour of Avatar.

thanks for reinforcing my point.

 

[MarcMaverick]

I mean TBF Avatar is a really good tech demo.

 

[OneGreatClub]

The Emperor has no clothes

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

It's ridiculous to think that being aware of the privilege that white people and in particular white men have had over centuries is a negative thing. And yet when we acknowledge that privilege it gets termed white hate.

I think the problem is that the soloutions are to drag down and not to pull up and They don't get targeted to where there really needed.

Trump understands this.
More concerned about someone’s sexuality than how well or poorly they treat people.

He's basically playing the fear factor. Is basically "these people are different and you should be scared of them"

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Wokeism has played a huge part.

People are sick of having woke ideals shoved down their throat at every turn.

Which parts? Trans, White hate, Welcome to country to start..:

The welcome to country is the loveliest, most generous-hearted acknowledgment imaginable.

How anyone could describe it as being “shoved down their throats” says much more about that person than it does about the welcome.

Anyway, hardly relevant to a US presidential discussion so play on.

 

[10571z]

The welcome to country is the loveliest, most generous-hearted acknowledgment imaginable.

How anyone could describe it as being “shoved down their throats” says much more about that person than it does about the welcome.

Anyway, hardly relevant to a US presidential discussion so play on.

Apologies it was land acknowledgments i was referring to.

 

[iBeng]

The Emperor has no clothes

Cows are notoriously right winged animals, it says so in the Bible

 

[Dazzler9]

Bookies odds heavily favour Diaper, but on the flipside the stockmarket favours Kamala.

 

[Royces Hart]

Apologies it was land acknowledgments i was referring to.

And how is “trans” being shoved down people’s throats?

 

[blackshadow]

I don't even notice it how come you do? Maybe you look for things to be outraged about?

Is it small dick energy?

 

[Financialpanther]

You’re absolutely full of shit.

Where is this welcome to country in the US?

You mean the unpleasant frisk when you arrive at LAX?

 

[blackshadow]

You mean the unpleasant frisk when you arrive at LAX?

Take off your shoes.

 

[Maggie5]

Just going through Smith's transcript and thought this sounded familiar.



Sounds similar to do you have health care plan to which Trump answered, 'we have a concept of a health plan'.

The answer to both should have been ... NO!

 

[iBeng]

Just going through Smith's transcript and thought this sounded familiar.

View attachment 2147322

Sounds similar to do you have health care plan to which Trump answered, 'we have a concept of a health plan'.

The answer to both should have been ... NO!

They certainly had concepts of a conspiracy to overthrow a democratically elected opponent!

 

[BigTacoBandit]

View attachment 2147291

For you russian bots its from a movie called back to the future

I knew I'd seen that book somewhere

 

[swingdog]

A Bernie Sanders type. Kamala Harris is too much of a Joe Biden vanilla/Corprotocrat type. But that's the path Dems took.

You think Harris cares about the people of the US? Nope,. She's going to go on endless trips to the Bahamas or the Canary Is. etc... instead of caring about her denizens. She flat out doesn't care about Americans.

So in summation, the US has an old orange man who is completely of his rocker, or a bland vanilla Corporate puppet, as their candidates.

Or they could, very unlikely to happen, say "A Pox on both Houses" and vote Independently, denying both Trump and Harris the POTUS.

I'm not sure they exist outside a few progressive states like Vermont. America is a pretty conservative place when it comes to systemic issues.

 

[spinynorman]

Lastly, what the **** is so goddamn scary about a Welcome to Country. Does it actually hurt you? Are your sensitivities so fragile that some words welcoming you to country makes you suffer? Put yourself in the shoes of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples. I think their suffering gives them a right to make us reflect on what our nation has been responsible for and if that makes white people uncomfortable then good.

People who whinge about it and make hating them a core part of their politics are freaks.

That said, my partner moved to Australia this year and the first event we went to with an Acknowledgment of Country prompted giggles. I was like "You really can't do that", and they replied "I'm sorry, but it's kind of ridiculous. You're saying 'Hey, we stole everything from you, thanks for that." It's obviously become extremely engrained here but less so elsewhere in the world, and I think is received with some cynicism in North America, including from indigenous people. When the Dakota pipeline's opening had a Land Acknowledgment first, I get the cynicism. Likewise people overseas saw a BHP meeting in Perth opened with an Acknowledgment of Country, despite their terrible record of actually upholding indigenous rights. I think there's a worthy discussion to be had about its performative nature at times, especially in light of the utter derailment we had a year ago on the path of indigenous reform.

 

[spinynorman]

Lol old Bernie hey. They are already labelling Kamala as a commie on the right, they would have a field day with someone like say AOC.

The right's field day would involve calling them commies, the same they do for Kamala, Biden and Obama?

 

[BigTacoBandit]

Cows are notoriously right winged animals, it says so in the Bible

Four legs good, two legs bad

 

[Maggie5]

Too funny, Obama (Arizona) going full throttle speaking whilst Trump's (Michigan) microphone is not working and is just walking around on stage.

Maybe if Trump employed qualified people and paid his bills would work.

 

[spinynorman]

So you think Trump is winning because the democrats didn't go socialist enough and choose sanders?

But aren't the voters who choose candidates and the voters who vote in national elections very different people? In Australia we don't choose our candidates. Do you think thats a problem with the Australian parties as well?

Both Labor and the Coalition have enormous discord with their party members complaining of a lack of party democracy and having candidates imposed over the top of the will of party members. To those who defend the systems, it probably keeps moderates from being wiped out in the parties (as party rank and files tend to be more ideologically motivated and thus to the left in Labor or to the right in the Liberals of their representatives). But also it leads to obvious problems - Labor's boneheaded imposition of Keneally into Fowler backfired in an enormous way, and the last NSW Labor Government suffered from the mass imposing of candidates with ties to Eddie Obeid and Joe Tripodi in 2003 and 2007 and left it hopelessly corrupt.

American political parties are less party membership-driven than here or most of Europe. Primaries are a pretty rotten system, dragging out the political process far too long and making it extremely expensive. Introduced in the 1970s, I'm not convinced the quality of candidates there has improved with the system, nor has it made the parties any less reliant on patronage systems.