USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

[CM86]

I think they are nutcases to be honest, so yes I believe there is some truth to that.

But I don’t believe people from outside the US have gambled millions on trump to win, to get him into favouritism on Polymarket, in order to purposely make people riot if he loses. Tin foil hat stuff.

What about if the outcome of the election is being set up to be deliberately delayed, with things like hand counting ballots.
And if the polling is all saying a Trump victory, leading up to the election, and then we're told that the election results are taking so long because the Deep State is trying to steal the election AGAIN...
What do you think might happen?


You don't believe that Trump's Super PAC would easily be able to drop those huge bets on the decentralized Polymarket?
Or flood the aggregate polling with skewed polling 'results'?


What do you think could happen, if the election results take more than 48 hours, with Trump immediately declaring victory, and everyone being told that the woke Communists are stealing the election from Trump?

What are the odds, do you think, of Trump holding a rally near the capitol shortly after the election?

 

[OneGreatClub]

Trump is very careless with other people’s lives.
Imagine if RfKjr becomes the next boss of the CDC.
There will no preparednes, vaccines, credible info, no warp speed, no protections.

 

[adogsfan5]

What about if the outcome of the election is being set up to be deliberately delayed, with things like hand counting ballots.
And if the polling is all saying a Trump victory, leading up to the election, and then we're told that the election results are taking so long because the Deep State is trying to steal the election AGAIN...
What do you think might happen?


You don't believe that Trump's Super PAC would easily be able to drop those huge bets on the decentralized Polymarket?
Or flood the aggregate polling with skewed polling 'results'?


What do you think could happen, if the election results take more than 48 hours, with Trump immediately declaring victory, and everyone being told that the woke Communists are stealing the election from Trump?

What are the odds, do you think, of Trump holding a rally near the capitol shortly after the election?

These are all “what ifs” mate… i am not sure how you want me to answer them. There are polls right now that say Harris is in front and there’s polls out there that say Trump is leading. I think it’ll stay this way over the next few weeks too.

Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe Polymarket don’t even allow Americans to bet on the U.S. election.

 

[EagleMan87]

There are plenty of hard leftists - just to give one example - piping up from time to time saying exactly that.

They believe America is completely stuffed, and electing a Dem or a Repugnican is just rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic.

I personally wouldn't go that far, but their reasoning is far from "clueless".

It's not un-salvageable; as long as someone acts once they get into power. Obama could have done it in 2008, but chose to play it safe and lost his mandate.

Hopefully Harris and the Dems win it all, and then actually do something about the problems.

Not holding my breath, obviously.

 

[VogonProsthetnic]

All of the political enemies of the US (Russia, China, NK, Iran) have a major interest in fomenting disruption, division and divisive events - all of which suits Trump. Hard to believe all the polymarket betting for Trump as well as the torrent of Republican skewing polls aren’t funded by these actors.

Then there is the relationship between Trump and Putin which seems to involve a lot of back channel calls. Dan Coats Trumps ex director of national security even has suggested that Putin has some compromising information on Trump. You could bet Trumps casino operations might be the source here.

 

[CM86]

Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe Polymarket don’t even allow Americans to bet on the U.S. election.

Yes, it's not legal.
So?
Do you know Peter Thiel's connection to it?
In May 2024, the company announced that it had raised $70 million across two funding rounds. These rounds included investments from Vitalik Buterin, the co-founder of Ethereum, and Founders Fund, a venture capital firm founded by Peter Thiel.

These are all “what ifs” mate… i am not sure how you want me to answer them.

OK, well list the 'what ifs' and I'll see if I can provide evidence or at least strong implications to support them.

For example the deliberate delaying and hand counting of ballots.

Why is Georgia hand counting ballots and how will it affect the 2024 election?

Trump-aligned state election board has passed a suite of rules that experts say will lead to confusion and errors

www.theguardian.com

On 20 September, the Georgia state election board voted 3-2 to require all counties to perform a hand count of ballots cast on election day to check the machine tabulations.​

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It was part of a suite of rules a pro-Trump majority has blitzed through in recent months that observers worry could cause confusion and open the door to undermining the election results.​

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Other new rules allow local election board members to undertake an undefined “reasonable inquiry” before they certify election results and allow them unlimited access to documents before they vote to certify.​

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The hand-count requirement, which was challenged in court last week, and the other new rules have elicited deep concern that Trump supporters have a powerful array of tools to create uncertainty about the vote this fall.​

 

[Satan]

Yes, it's not legal.
So?
Do you know Peter Thiel's connection to it?
In May 2024, the company announced that it had raised $70 million across two funding rounds. These rounds included investments from Vitalik Buterin, the co-founder of Ethereum, and Founders Fund, a venture capital firm founded by Peter Thiel.


OK, well list the 'what ifs' and I'll see if I can provide evidence or at least strong implications to support them.

For example the deliberate delaying and hand counting of ballots.

Why is Georgia hand counting ballots and how will it affect the 2024 election?

Trump-aligned state election board has passed a suite of rules that experts say will lead to confusion and errors

www.theguardian.com

On 20 September, the Georgia state election board voted 3-2 to require all counties to perform a hand count of ballots cast on election day to check the machine tabulations.​

​

It was part of a suite of rules a pro-Trump majority has blitzed through in recent months that observers worry could cause confusion and open the door to undermining the election results.​

​

Other new rules allow local election board members to undertake an undefined “reasonable inquiry” before they certify election results and allow them unlimited access to documents before they vote to certify.​

​

The hand-count requirement, which was challenged in court last week, and the other new rules have elicited deep concern that Trump supporters have a powerful array of tools to create uncertainty about the vote this fall.​

Judge invalidates election rules passed by Trump-backed board in Georgia

A Georgia judge has declared that seven new election rules recently passed by the State Election Board are “illegal, unconstitutional and void.”

apnews.com

 

[CM86]

How to use Polymarket in the United States.​

U.S. customers will need a VPN to actually trade on the platform, and all users need a crypto wallet to deposit and make trades.

Here are the steps.

1. Create a Polymarket account. It’s connected to your crypto wallet, so you don’t need to enter any personal info.
2. Get a VPN — NordVPN, Proton VPN, Express VPN are all fine. Just make sure it works on your phone, since it’s a bit easier to trade on Polymarket on mobile.
3. Download a crypto wallet, like MetaMask, and buy some cryptocurrency on an exchange like Coinbase if you don’t have it already.
4. Send USDC from the exchange (Coinbase) to your wallet (MetaMask).
5. Move money into your Polymarket account using USDC from your crypto wallet (MetaMask).
6. Start making trades.

 

[liz]

Yes, it's not legal.
So?
Do you know Peter Thiel's connection to it?
In May 2024, the company announced that it had raised $70 million across two funding rounds. These rounds included investments from Vitalik Buterin, the co-founder of Ethereum, and Founders Fund, a venture capital firm founded by Peter Thiel.


OK, well list the 'what ifs' and I'll see if I can provide evidence or at least strong implications to support them.

For example the deliberate delaying and hand counting of ballots.

Why is Georgia hand counting ballots and how will it affect the 2024 election?

Trump-aligned state election board has passed a suite of rules that experts say will lead to confusion and errors

www.theguardian.com

On 20 September, the Georgia state election board voted 3-2 to require all counties to perform a hand count of ballots cast on election day to check the machine tabulations.​

​

It was part of a suite of rules a pro-Trump majority has blitzed through in recent months that observers worry could cause confusion and open the door to undermining the election results.​

​

Other new rules allow local election board members to undertake an undefined “reasonable inquiry” before they certify election results and allow them unlimited access to documents before they vote to certify.​

​

The hand-count requirement, which was challenged in court last week, and the other new rules have elicited deep concern that Trump supporters have a powerful array of tools to create uncertainty about the vote this fall.​

Those changes to the Georgia election procedures have now been ruled unconstitutional by a court. Thought that ruling will almost certainly be appealed.

 

[CM86]

Judge invalidates election rules passed by Trump-backed board in Georgia

A Georgia judge has declared that seven new election rules recently passed by the State Election Board are “illegal, unconstitutional and void.”

apnews.com

Those changes to the Georgia election procedures have now been ruled unconstitutional by a court. Thought that ruling will almost certainly be appealed.

This is really great news! I wasn't aware of the update.

 

[Satan]

This is really great news! I wasn't aware of the update.

Stick with bf for the latest news

 

[adogsfan5]

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OK, well list the 'what ifs' and I'll see if I can provide evidence or at least strong implications to support them.

You don’t have to elaborate if you don’t want to, I don’t want to clog up the thread, but I’m also happy to discuss this in our DM in more detail tomorrow. But back to the original point - I just don’t believe bets are being made to deliberately give Americans false hope that Trump will win, to then create anger when he doesn’t, in order to then cause riots.
There’s zero proof of this. It’s a baseless claim.

I’ll chuck you a msg tomorrow, but thanks for replying.

 

[FireKrakouer]

I'm sorry, but if you honestly think the two choices this election are as bad as each other, then you're clueless at best.

Agreed. Looking not at the figureheads but at the puppetmasters who would actually be in charge, it's a battle between the pro-science pro-free speech pro-technology pro-peace Vance/Musk/Thiel/FK ticket vs the pro-war pro-censorship pro-authoritarian Pelosi/Cheney/Soros/bourbons ticket.

Decision is easy peasy m8.

 

[Saint Shags]

You don’t have to elaborate if you don’t want to, I don’t want to clog up the thread, but I’m also happy to discuss this in our DM in more detail tomorrow. But back to the original point - I just don’t believe bets are being made to deliberately give Americans false hope that Trump will win, to then create anger when he doesn’t, in order to then cause riots.
There’s zero proof of this. It’s a baseless claim.

I’ll chuck you a msg tomorrow, but thanks for replying.

A handful of pro-Trump bettors have dumped more than $25 million into Polymarket, swaying election odds in his favor

Polymarket’s “Presidential Election Winner 2024” market showed bettors giving Trump a whopping 60.3% chance of winning.

fortune.com

I think it is only fair that some would actually suggest that in certain circumstances that people could utilise the betting market to influence people's thoughts on certain things.

 

[adogsfan5]

A handful of pro-Trump bettors have dumped more than $25 million into Polymarket, swaying election odds in his favor

Polymarket’s “Presidential Election Winner 2024” market showed bettors giving Trump a whopping 60.3% chance of winning.

fortune.com

I think it is only fair that some would actually suggest that in certain circumstances that people could utilise the betting market to influence people's thoughts on certain things.

Polls are up and down and are different across the board, everyone seems to think it’s very close and could go either way. He’s also the favourite across all Australian bookies.

To claim it is fact that it’s been done on purpose (via foreign bets) to cause riots if he loses, is nonsense. Again, it’s a baseless claim with no proof behind it. But not shocked that it’s been mentioned. I just find it funny when the tin foil hat line gets thrown around.

 

[liz]

Agreed. Looking not at the figureheads but at the puppetmasters who would actually be in charge, it's a battle between the pro-science pro-free speech pro-technology pro-peace Vance/Musk/Thiel/FK ticket vs the pro-war pro-censorship pro-authoritarian Pelosi/Cheney/Soros/bourbons ticket.

Decision is easy peasy m8.

I spluttered. Literally.

 

[Dazzler9]

Polls are up and down and are different across the board, everyone seems to think it’s very close and could go either way. He’s also the favourite across all Australian bookies.

To claim it is fact that it’s been done on purpose to cause riots if he loses, is nonsense. Again, it’s a baseless claim with no proof behind it. But not shocked that it’s been mentioned. I just find it funny when the tin foil hat line gets thrown around.

Yeah, I was just about to muse upon the fact that Aussie betting agencies show money moving towards Trump as well.

The polls are super tight, that's all anyone can say for now. I have my theories on which way things will go (I'm anticipating a larger-than-forecast turnout for the Dems, similar to the mid-terms), but no real confidence that I'm right.

 

[Saint Shags]

Polls are up and down and are different across the board, everyone seems to think it’s very close and could go either way. He’s also the favourite across all Australian bookies.

To claim it is fact that it’s been done on purpose to cause riots if he loses, is nonsense. Again, it’s a baseless claim with no proof behind it. But not shocked that it’s been mentioned. I just find it funny when the tin foil hat line gets thrown around.

The polls are not the betting market.
The betting market per se is open to influence.
If i have 4 accounts that have appeared on Polymarket since July that have dropped $25m and a good portion of that since the start of the month which up until 4th Oct - Trump was behind in. It isn't far fetched to see how influencing such things can be.
Especially when you have individuals like Musk pointing to Polymarket as the guide.


Is it some massive conspiracy. Not really. But to completely discount it and the impact that certain moves could make would be naive.

Nothing in the past 2 weeks should have moved the needle as far.
There have been no big gaffes or October surprise. Nothing that should have seen such a massive swing. And that makes people more aware of things.

 

[Blue1980]

I can understand someone in 2016 voting for Trump to "blow it all up" (as in, a big f*ck you to Washington).

Not now though. I certainly understand the resentment/anger towards the establishment, but championing Trump ain't it.

Yes now it’s just stupid, he is a neo con on steroids, and makes no secret of that fact.

The whole idea of “the Dems are shit so I will vote for the party which is worse in every way I criticise the dems for” makes little sense to me.

There is daylight between the parties on domestic policy helping middle and working class people (though still should be better), democracy, abortion and general human rights.

They are almost the same on foreign policy, the border (though only one party wants to purge illegal immigrants), and both cucked by donors.

So it isn’t 99.5% to 100%, but if Dems do lose I agree the issue is they aren’t progressive enough showing a vision away from the status quo, not being able to convince enough people to vote. If they don’t win, that will be why.

Then we get to election cheating, the GOPs speciality.

 

[Blue1980]

Interesting research on how polymarket is being driven by a couple of big betters. It’s all part of the plan to try present trump as leading so they can riot when he loses.

The big betters on poly market will hedge very late to mitigate their losses but their work in setting a story will be done.

It’s what the right wing pollsters did last election. Showed trump up/tied all the way and then just before the election moved closer to reality so they can claim they aren’t biased

The polls are about 50-50 so makes little sense for the markets to be much different unless there are a few random big bets, which seems the case.

I’d be saying the same thing if the polls were about even and the markets were showing Dems 60-40, it just doesn’t make sense from a logical perspective regardless of who is leading.

 

[Borough Blood]

Tin foil hat stuff this. Youre with Celebrity101 and his man made hurricanes.

Bollocks. At least try to argue in good faith.

 

[SeaOfFire]

Consider, if you will.

Vast numbers of people in this world (ITW?) feel utterly disenfranchised by those who they perceive to be in power, yes?

Whether that power be realised in an economic, or sociological sense. Usually, preferably, both.

Thus they demand change, if only for the sake of change - justified in whichever manner or theater needs dictate.

Does anyone ITT dispute that point?

Start conversation from there.

/peace

 

[Randomizor]

Betting markets move with where the bets are being placed don’t they? Isn’t it just as likely that more republicans are simply dumb enough to keep gambling their money towards Trump? I mean these same people put their life savings in DJT stock.

 

[Borough Blood]

Consider, if you will.

Vast numbers of people in this world (ITW?) feel utterly disenfranchised by those who they perceive to be in power, yes?

Whether that power be realised in an economic, or sociological sense. Usually, preferably, both.

Thus they demand change, if only for the sake of change - justified in whichever manner or theater needs dictate.

Does anyone ITT dispute that point?

Start conversation from there.

/peace

 

[adogsfan5]

Bollocks. At least try to argue in good faith.

How have I not? His claim (that this has all been done to create riots again) is baseless with zero proof behind it. Meanwhile he’s the favourite on every bookie in Australia.

You can’t pick and choose what a conspiracy theory is.