USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

[Carn The Berries]

Bidens stated what his comments meant. He wasnt referring to trump supporters in general. Just those who attacked puerto rico.

He can clarify as much as he wants. The sound byte is out there... What a dopey thing to say a week out from polling day. Take the high ground and avoid unnecessary own goals.

Reckon Kamala might have asked Joe to keep his thoughts to himself after that.

 

[King Patty]

Lol. Harris hasn't that power over anyone. It's why you all want to talk about Trump.

Can someone say something good about Harris?

Apparently she has had the most deciding votes of any vice president.

 

[Stokey]

He will have a profound negative effect on the world. Keep your head in the sand and your adoration intact. It is definitely one of the most consequential US elections of our lifetime. It will affect Australia.It will affect Ukraine . It will affect Gaza.
Low info voters who love Trump don’t understand that.

I have said many times here I don't love Trump but he is the chosen candidate and one I think will be better than Harris who looks weak and totally out of her depth.

But this 'you love Trump' nonsense just makes my point. Anyone that votes for or wants Trump to win has to 'love Trump' in your eyes. You are totally blinded to any other scenario or reason. The most obvious being that they have seen 4 years of Trump and 4 years of Biden/Harris and they have decided they would prefer Trump. You may not agree with them but it's that simple. All the Nazis, Hitler, deplorables, Trumpers hyperbole nonsense is exactly that.

Is there somewhere safe you can threaten to move to if Trump wins?

 

[iDon]

He can clarify as much as he wants. The sound byte is out there... What a dopey thing to say a week out from polling day. Take the high ground and avoid unnecessary own goals.

Reckon Kamala might have asked Joe to keep his thoughts to himself after that.

Reckon JD asked Donald to keep his thoughts to himself after this?

 

[King Patty]

Low info voters who love Trump don’t understand that.

people have many reasons for voting based on things that matter to them, its a a bit high and mighty to just call them low information voters, just because they don't agree with you.

when you listen to regular joe blows interviewing us citizens the main answers for trump are:
economy, border, and they usually comment life was better under trump than last 4 years, inflation etc.
Yes there are some maga patriots too who vote trump to stick it to the current govt and want change too.

most democrat voters when questioned, go to abortion - womens rights and can't trust trump due to democrat campaign excentuating his misdemeaners.

Female vote may decide the election.

Foreign policy, I don't think there is a clear advantage to either party. And most people will be voting due to issues closer to home self interest.

even in this thread, it's just like heads butting against each other, your not going to conivnce a trump aligned person to swing to kamala or vice versa

 

[OneGreatClub]

 

[OneGreatClub]

I have said many times here I don't love Trump but he is the chosen candidate and one I think will be better than Harris who looks weak and totally out of her depth.

But this 'you love Trump' nonsense just makes my point. Anyone that votes for or wants Trump to win has to 'love Trump' in your eyes. You are totally blinded to any other scenario or reason. The most obvious being that they have seen 4 years of Trump and 4 years of Biden/Harris and they have decided they would prefer Trump. You may not agree with them but it's that simple. All the Nazis, Hitler, deplorables, Trumpers hyperbole nonsense is exactly that.

Is there somewhere safe you can threaten to move to if Trump wins?

You will disappear back into your home when he loses.
You are definitely low info or purposefully ignoring the danger Trump is, but, hey, at least he will control women’s bodies.

 

[OneGreatClub]

people have many reasons for voting based on things that matter to them, its a a bit high and mighty to just call them low information voters, just because they don't agree with you.

when you listen to regular joe blows interviewing us citizens the main answers for trump are:
economy, border, and they usually comment life was better under trump than last 4 years, inflation etc.
Yes there are some maga patriots too who vote trump to stick it to the current govt and want change too.

most democrat voters when questioned, go to abortion - womens rights and can't trust trump due to democrat campaign excentuating his misdemeaners.

Female vote may decide the election.

Foreign policy, I don't think there is a clear advantage to either party. And most people will be voting due to issues closer to home self interest.

It might have been better for some of them after Obama fixed the Economic mess. Trump was able to bathe in that success initially but by the end of his first term it was a hot mess. The problem with voters is that all he has to do is lie to them that he alone can fix their lives and they think hey yes he’s my guy. We all know he has no intention or ability to fix anything.
It’s the comfortable lies suit them versus inconvenient truths thing.

 

[Carn The Berries]

Reckon JD asked Donald to keep his thoughts to himself after this?

Don't mistake what I'm saying for any kind of support/justification/excuse for anything Trump does. He is a genuine danger to democracy.

People want to equate what Trump does with what the Democrats do. The playing field isn't level, and it hasn't been for quite some time after Trump ripped up the playbook.

I'm not saying it's right for one second... But for Biden to do that was beyond stupid and will have be far better weaponised by the Republicans that the other way around.

Just let him have a really long nap until next Wednesday.

 

[big_e]

Dodgy AF.

 

[Stokey]

You will disappear back into your home when he loses.
You are definitely low info or purposefully ignoring the danger Trump is, but, hey, at least he will control women’s bodies.

I will get on with my life whatever happens. Politics is fun to discuss but unless you rely on Government to survive it provides very little.

You will never fully recover either way. He has broken you. You are just a wound up ball of unbridled hate.

 

[Mick F]

Was just thinking the same tbh. Heaven knows what it will look like next wednesday.

We all need to remember that we are responding to people, not posts, and people matter more than our own views. Spread a little love, be less like venomous politicians. Speaking down on others who have different perspectives than you, only lowers you as a human.

Agree. Normal happy, balanced people have successful careers and spend leisure time with family and friends. Regular posters on sites like this may have be experiencing depression etc, and not be at their best. We need to be mindful of this and not add to their ‘problems’.

 

[OneGreatClub]

There will be so much more of this if RFK j gets to control health and the cdc

I will get on with my life whatever happens. Politics is fun to discuss but unless you rely on Government to survive it provides very little.

You will never fully recover either way. He has broken you. You are just a wound up ball of unbridled hate.

And you are all sunshine and roses.

 

[Stokey]

There will be so much more of this if RFK j gets to control health and the cdc



And you are all sunshine and roses

Thanks.

 

[Stokey]

 

[Seeds]

Watching people try to spin Bidens comments is a good laugh but the Whitehouse changing the transcript is just sad.

And your thoughts on trump calling democrats scum and the enemy within?

 

[Seeds]

Only fools like silly gimics.

Your thoughts on trump often calling democrats scum and the enemy within?

 

[Satan]

Only fools like silly gimics.

Your thoughts on trump often calling democrats scum and the enemy within?

He was only joking

 

[Stokey]

Only fools like silly gimics.

Your thoughts on trump often calling democrats scum and the enemy within?

Like playing Madden on Twitch?

He wasn't calling voters that. Pretty sure he's talking about the swamp and letter agencies and the DOJ who he thinks enacted lawfare on him. He isn't talking about the voters. Won't stop Harris from trying to paint it as something different though.

 

[faible]

when you listen to regular joe blows interviewing us citizens the main answers for trump are:
economy, border, and they usually comment life was better under trump than last 4 years, inflation etc.

And most of these are false beliefs based on low information.

The actual economists have looked at Trumps policies and AFAIK all agree they'd be significantly worse for Americans than Harris' policies.
Deporting 11 million people will make life worse, given many of those people work in low paid occupations that 'Americans' won't work in.
The Biden administration already has inflation back under control, and was a global phenomenon post-Covid.

All of this information is quite easy to find, but people don't want to find it, or don't have the skillset or ability to find or consider it.

 

[Royces Hart]

the DOJ who he thinks enacted lawfare on him.

Do you think that “lawfare” has been enacted on Trump?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

 

[Seeds]

I will get on with my life whatever happens. Politics is fun to discuss but unless you rely on Government to survive it provides very little.

You will never fully recover either way. He has broken you. You are just a wound up ball of unbridled hate.

Wrong. This is just so wrong.

What happens in the us politically impacts all of us. Our democracy depends on the us maintaining theres. The global liberal international system that protects us will fall if democracy falls in the us and so will we. As a starting point China will probably invade taiwan within the next 4 years if trump wins and it will drag numerous nations down.

In the next two years the us imposing a massive universal tariff program under trump will lead to a massive global trade war that will greatly harm our export markets and drive prices up for all of us. It will probably create shortages as well just like during covid times

 

[Seeds]

So now trump is threatening to defund the police.

And trump and mike Johnson are giggling like school girls over a secret plan to steal the house.

 

[Bloods86]

Was just thinking the same tbh. Heaven knows what it will look like next wednesday.

We all need to remember that we are responding to people, not posts, and people matter more than our own views. Spread a little love, be less like venomous politicians. Speaking down on others who have different perspectives than you, only lowers you as a human.

I've tried as I said.

But when you (not you specifically) show you have no interest in genuine discussion, skip past where you have been corrected and repeat the same assertions, and are already being derisive of others, you're fair game.

People matter yes. Maybe Trump supporters could remember this when they support an authoritarian who is antithetical to the office he is running for, targets minorities, increases stigma, denies healthcare, suggests using the military against domestic opponents etc, and when they cheerlead the hasty, mass deportation of millions (without detail) which would be a horrific de-humanising ordeal.

It's fine to oppose and mock bad things or people who want bad things, especially if they are insistent. If people don't like it, stop doing or supporting the bad thing. Otherwise, get over it and clutch your pearls elsewhere.