USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

[bzparkes]

I suspect it was sarcasm.

I don't.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Divisive? Err no. Their issue is not being progressive enough and doing enough to help the average american. They try to be too civil and nice to the republicans, though that seems to be finally changing to a degree.

But Biden loves republicans, always talking about how he loves republicans, wants to hang out with them, have sex with them (I assume) etc. We are still getting Harris wheeling bloody Liz Cheney on the campaign trail, which in my mind is ****ing stupid.

They are also being border hawks like the GOP, and foreign policy well, Biden has been awful on Gaza, but Trump is promising to "finish the job" and hand over Ukraine to Russia.

How have they been devisive? Because some actually call out Trump and his goons as being fascists? **** them, they are fascists.

Biden and Harris toe the party line with Gaza but privately both of them hate the beast of the middle east. Biden said he was a bad bastard or something like that.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Lloyd?

Not bad

 

[JB1975]

Biden and Harris toe the party line with Gaza but privately both of them hate the beast of the middle east. Biden said he was a bad bastard or something like that.

Biden is President and Gaza is on him. That's his legacy.

Harris looks like going down the same road, but we can perhaps hope for a new dawn on that front. I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Biden is President and Gaza is on him. That's his legacy.

Harris looks like going down the same road, but we can perhaps hope for a new dawn on that front. I'm not holding my breath.

When did he get elected president of Israel or Palestine.

Must have missed that one

 

[JB1975]

When did he get elected president of Israel or Palestine.

Must have missed that one

If you think that a US President needs to be the Israeli PM to exercise significant influence over that country's actions, then yes, I think you've missed a quite a bit.

We've all got a bit of time on our hands at the moment, you can take the opportunity to catch up.

 

[rank and file]

You are not funny!
This has been a cc community announcement!

Your exclamation and emoji game is on point.
Unfortunately you come across as a stooge.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

Can you tell me why Musk, arguably the smartest man in the world who has done more for climate change than any of your hero ‘activists’ has swung from voting democrat to republican?

FFS - were you born yesterday.
The answer is self interest- it always is!

 

[Sir_Loin]

If you think that a US President needs to be the Israeli PM to exercise significant influence over that country's actions, then yes, I think you've missed a quite a bit.

We've all got a bit of time on our hands at the moment, you can take the opportunity to catch up.

Hmmm. You must not be paying attention to current events. Bibi not listening to anyone at the moment cause he wants to stay out of jail. Where have I heard this before.

It’s almost boring how many people say they want the democracy only when it suits them. Would you like some more Bebe food to help you sleep? I have some apple purée…

 

[Blue1980]

Hmmm. You must not be paying attention to current events. Bibi not listening to anyone at the moment cause he wants to stay out of jail. Where have I heard this before.

It’s almost boring how many people say they want the democracy only when it suits them. Would you like some more Bebe food to help you sleep? I have some apple purée…

Yes but the US keep giving them billions of dollars whenever they ask.

Anywho we know Trump has promised to be worse on the issue of Gaza.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Yes but the US keep giving them billions of dollars whenever they ask.

Anywho we know Trump has promised to be worse on the issue of Gaza.

Israel is sponsored by just about every western country. Don’t forget why.

Anyway I’m exiting the building no one wins this argument

 

[JB1975]

Hmmm. You must not be paying attention to current events. Bibi not listening to anyone at the moment cause he wants to stay out of jail. Where have I heard this before.

It’s almost boring how many people say they want the democracy only when it suits them. Would you like some more Bebe food to help you sleep? I have some apple purée…

Bibi the bad guy, yes of course...except that the operations in Gaza and now Lebanon come with the overwhelming support of the military, the Knesset, and the Israeli public.

Without that support, even Bibi the Barbarian would find his position quite difficult.

And without the complicity of the US, he would find his position untenable. Lucky for him that Joe has offered unstinting support:
- Billions in arms and weapons;
- Unfiltered access to US intelligence;
- Daily diplomatic cover;
- Unwavering advocacy in the UN;
- Aggressive efforts to at least discredit and more accurately intimidate the ICJ;
- Constant political pressure on State authorities to clamp down on pro-Palestine protests;
- Attempts to shut down public debate through the adoption of IHRA definition of antisemitism.

I'm sure I've missed plenty, but I certainly haven't been missing the news. The US has intervened in the past to change Israeli policy, but under Joe it has done nothing but prop up the slaughter in Gaza.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Bibi the bad guy, yes of course...except that the operations in Gaza and now Lebanon come with the overwhelming support of the military, the Knesset, and the Israeli public.

Without that support, even Bibi the Barbarian would find his position quite difficult.

And without the complicity of the US, he would find his position untenable. Lucky for him that Joe has offered unstinting support:
- Billions in arms and weapons;
- Unfiltered access to US intelligence;
- Daily diplomatic cover;
- Unwavering advocacy in the UN;
- Aggressive efforts to at least discredit and more accurately intimidate the ICJ;
- Constant political pressure on State authorities to clamp down on pro-Palestine protests;
- Attempts to shut down public debate through the adoption of IHRA definition of antisemitism.

I'm sure I've missed plenty, but I certainly haven't been missing the news. The US has intervened in the past to change Israeli policy, but under Joe it has done nothing but prop up the slaughter in Gaza.

They were attacked mate. Anyway I’ve had enough of this BS I’d rather shitpost about trump

 

[JB1975]

They were attacked mate. Anyway I’ve had enough of this BS I’d rather shitpost about trump

Ah. No black mark in Joe's book because the genocide is completely justified. Gotcha.

Stay relaxed and comfortable, mate...keep up the good work on Trumpoid.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Ah. No black mark in Joe's book because the genocide is completely justified. Gotcha.

Stay relaxed and comfortable, mate...keep up the good work on Trumpoid.

ok. Biden runs Israel and is responsible for the October 7 attack and the response?

Genocide? Pretty loose use of the term. Anyway as I said this line of argument bores me given its lack of intelligence.

Trump did sign the Abraham accords though which meant absolutely nothing apart from his son in law getting funded by the PIF.

 

[GreyCrow]

Dems need Nebraska in the senate to gain control of senate but behind atm.

Is the Independent Osborne still neck and neck?

 

[Blue1980]

ok. Biden runs Israel and is responsible for the October 7 attack and the response?

Genocide? Pretty loose use of the term. Anyway as I said this line of argument bores me given its lack of intelligence.

Trump did signs the Abraham accords though which meant absolutely nothing apart from his son in law getting funded by the PIF.

They could have threatened to withdraw funding if they didn’t do a ceasefire, I mean it’s gone way beyond any plausible plan to “get hamas”. Even Reagan told Israel to pull their heads in during the 80s otherwise no funding, and it worked.

 

[GreyCrow]

Kamala still talking about having a republican in her cabinet. I mean I kinda get it, some rando normies probably think she is a radical leftist just cos she is black and a woman, so this is some attempt to normalise herself.

I hate it though, does it really move the needle for them?

Yep - happy for Republicans to speak up against Trump and a hope to return to a ''normal '' Republican Party - but having a Republican as Secretary of Costco is weird

 

[JB1975]

ok. Biden runs Israel and is responsible for the October 7 attack and the response?

Genocide? Pretty loose use of the term. Anyway as I said this line of argument bores me given its lack of intelligence.

Trump did signs the Abraham accords though which meant absolutely nothing apart from his son in law getting funded by the PIF.

Yah, let's just run a strawman and call the contrary argument unintelligent. Does that actually work in your social and work circles?

Biden is responsible for US policy, which has been the unstinting support of Israel while it engages in ethnic cleansing or barbaric slaughter or savage obliteration or whatever term Sir does prefer.

'Loose use' of genocide says the bloke who wondered if I'd missed the news. You evidently didn't catch the ICJ finding of probable genocide at the start of the year, which has only been strengthened by the atrocities since then.

I find apologists for this sort of thing as utterly repugnant and deranged as Trumpists.

Oh it does bore me for its lack of intelligence! Give me a f***ing break.

 

[Sir_Loin]

They could have threatened to withdraw funding if they didn’t do a ceasefire, I mean it’s gone way beyond any plausible plan to “get hamas”. Even Reagan told Israel to pull their heads in during the 80s otherwise no funding, and it worked.

Not happening with the current climate with Iran it’s a different situation surely you understand this and I respect your opinion

 

[JB1975]

They could have threatened to withdraw funding if they didn’t do a ceasefire, I mean it’s gone way beyond any plausible plan to “get hamas”. Even Reagan told Israel to pull their heads in during the 80s otherwise no funding, and it worked.

He's a rank apologist who'd rather sit in the warm and shallow waters of anti-Trumpism.

Best not to jam up the rhythm of the thread and just leave him to it, I suppose.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Yah, let's just run a strawman and call the contrary argument unintelligent. Does that actually work in your social and work circles?

Biden is responsible for US policy, which has been the unstinting support of Israel while it engages in ethnic cleansing or barbaric slaughter or savage obliteration or whatever term Sir does prefer.

'Loose use' of genocide says the bloke who wondered if I'd missed the news. You evidently didn't catch the ICJ finding of probable genocide at the start of the year, which has only been strengthened by the atrocities since then.

I find apologists for this sort of thing as utterly repugnant and deranged as Trumpists.

Oh it does bore me for its lack of intelligence! Give me a f***ing break.

All of your posts have been a strawman don’t pretend to do it now

Where does your outrage start and end? Not once have you mentioned October 7. Why?

Of course the Palestinians are being punished for Hamas no one disagrees with that but you can’t blame the US for their actions what a stupid premise

 

[beez]

ok. Biden runs Israel and is responsible for the October 7 attack and the response?

Genocide? Pretty loose use of the term. Anyway as I said this line of argument bores me given its lack of intelligence.

Trump did sign the Abraham accords though which meant absolutely nothing apart from his son in law getting funded by the PIF.

I actually find it intellectually interesting how Trump's corruption that led to the Abraham Accords (and on the way to normalising Israeli/Saudis relations) was ostensibly leading to peace yet was arguably the catalyst for the Hamas attacks.

I think it is very disingenuous, but you could certainly make the case that Trump administration policies was the primary reason the Middle East is where it is now.

Of course that's rubbish because both administrations try to normalise relations in the region. It's just a way to think about how Trump supporters justify his foreign policy.

 

[Sir_Loin]

He's a rank apologist who'd rather sit in the warm and shallow waters of anti-Trumpism.

Best not to jam up the rhythm of the thread and just leave him to it, I suppose.

“Rank apologist” my god straight out of some weird arse extremist news channel

Explain to me what a rank apologist
Is

 

[JB1975]

All of your posts have been a strawman don’t pretend to do it now

Where does your outrage start and end? Not once have you mentioned October 7. Why?

Of course the Palestinians are being punished for Hamas no one disagrees with that but you can’t blame the US for their actions what a stupid premise

No Sir, let's keep the argument right where it started: Joe Biden's complicity. You suggested that Joe had no responsibility for Israel's campaign in Gaza.

I pointed out that you're ignorant.