USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

[Sir_Loin]

I actually find it intellectually interesting how Trump's corruption that led to the Abraham Accords (and on the way to normalising Israeli/Saudis relations) was ostensibly leading to peace yet was arguably the catalyst for the Hamas attacks.

I think it is very disingenuous, but you could certainly make the case that Trump administration policies was the primary reason the Middle East is where it is now.

Of course that's rubbish because both administrations try to normalise relations in the region. It's just a way to think about how Trump supporters justify his foreign policy.

It was all BS and some sort of feint to try and intimate Iran

Guess what happened

 

[JB1975]

“Rank apologist” my god straight out of some weird arse extremist news channel

Explain to me what a rank apologist
Is

Someone who tries to suggest that the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent people, including up to 20,000 children, is somehow justified and/or

Someone who seeks to argue that the entity which sponsors such violence is not actually responsible for its commission because they don't give orders on the ground.

You fit both categories quite comfortably at this point, Sir.

 

[Sir_Loin]

No Sir, let's keep the argument right where it started: Joe Biden's complicity. You suggested that Joe had no responsibility for Israel's campaign in Gaza.

I pointed out that you're ignorant.

I didn’t say anything of the sort. You’re arguing the US runs Israel. If they did they wouldn’t be in this spot.

You can’t have it both ways mate. This is what shits me about this argument it’s soooooo dumb

 

[JB1975]

I didn’t say anything of the sort. You’re arguing the US runs Israel. If they did they wouldn’t be in this spot.

You can’t have it both ways mate. This is what shits me about this argument it’s soooooo dumb

No matey, what's glaringly obvious is that you're out of your depth and trying to convince yourself that the stupidity lies elsewhere.

You know that I didn't argue that Biden 'runs Israel'.

You should leave it at this point.

 

[Blue1980]

Not happening with the current climate with Iran it’s a different situation surely you understand this and I respect your opinion

They’ve kind of allowed it to get it this point by continuing to fund Israel and Bibi wants the war to go on forever as he knows when it’s done, all his past actions will catch up with him.

Should at the very least demand a cease fire in Gaza now.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Someone who tries to suggest that the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent people, including up to 20,000 children, is somehow justified and/or

Someone who seeks to argue that the entity which sponsors such violence is not actually responsible for its commission because they don't give orders on the ground.

You fit both categories quite comfortably at this point, Sir.

Never said any of that. This entire post is exactly what a strawman is.

Have a think about how you go about it before launching in like this. It’s pretty weak.

 

[Sir_Loin]

No matey, what's glaringly obvious is that you're out of your depth and trying to convince yourself that the stupidity lies elsewhere.

You know that I didn't argue that Biden 'runs Israel'.

You should leave it at this point.

You’re entire point was that the US is responsible for the Gaza genocide.

Don’t back away now big boy

 

[JB1975]

Never said any of that. This entire post is exactly what a strawman is.

Have a think about how you go about it before launching in like this. It’s pretty weak.

Before I leave off (because I'm starting to pity you), did you not have anything to say about these points of US complicity?

And without the complicity of the US, he would find his position untenable. Lucky for him that Joe has offered unstinting support:

• Billions in arms and weapons;
• Unfiltered access to US intelligence;
• Daily diplomatic cover;
• Unwavering advocacy in the UN;
• Aggressive efforts to at least discredit and more accurately intimidate the ICJ;
• Constant political pressure on State authorities to clamp down on pro-Palestine protests;
• Attempts to shut down public debate through the adoption of IHRA definition of antisemitism.

Another unfunny f***ing clown.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Before I leave off (because I'm starting to pity you), did you not have anything to say about these points of US complicity?

And without the complicity of the US, he would find his position untenable. Lucky for him that Joe has offered unstinting support:

• Billions in arms and weapons;
• Unfiltered access to US intelligence;
• Daily diplomatic cover;
• Unwavering advocacy in the UN;
• Aggressive efforts to at least discredit and more accurately intimidate the ICJ;
• Constant political pressure on State authorities to clamp down on pro-Palestine protests;
• Attempts to shut down public debate through the adoption of IHRA definition of antisemitism.

Another unfunny f***ing clown.

So the US is responsible the Gaza genocide?

 

[JB1975]

So the US is responsible the Gaza genocide?

It's called complicity. See post above and argue against Biden's complicity.

Do you wanna, you know...address the evidence?

 

[Sir_Loin]

It's called complicity. See post above and argue against Biden's complicity.

Do you wanna, you know...address the evidence?

Oh now it’s complicity

 

[JB1975]

Oh now it’s complicity

No, now it's deflection. It's okay, Sir, you don't have to engage if you don't wanna.

 

[Sir_Loin]

No, now it's deflection. It's okay, Sir, you don't have to engage if you don't wanna.

Yeah think I’ll check out no need to waste time on moronacy

 

[JB1975]

Yeah think I’ll check out no need to waste time on moronacy

How about that, you're feeling better about yourself already.

Avoid the deep end of the bath tub in the future.

 

[Sir_Loin]

How about that, you're feeling better about yourself already.

Avoid the deep end of the bath tub in the future.

Such a bizarre post you ok mate?

 

[JB1975]

Such a bizarre post you ok mate?

Yes mate. I'm good.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Yes mate. I'm good.

Love you

 

[GreyCrow]

Take it to the Israel-Hamas thread

 

[JB1975]

Take it to the Israel-Hamas thread

We're done. It's done.

Just one of those middle-of-the-night flings. There'll be some mess on the couch in the morning but otherwise no one will ever know we were here.

 

[JB1975]

Love you

Let's wait for the election results. If it falls the right way then I'll have a lot of love to give.

 

[JB1975]

Back on track, I'm getting excited by videos of long lines in Pennsylvania.

Next 24-36hrs will be quite the stretch.

 

[Sir_Loin]

I have sooo many jokes to trot out but restraint is the best part of Valor

Love you JB

 

[Sir_Loin]

Back on track, I'm getting excited by videos of long lines in Pennsylvania.

Next 24-36hrs will be quite the stretch.

They make it so hard to vote why? We all know

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Is the Independent Osborne still neck and neck?

Yeah independant sorry, still in play

 

[Chief]

Oh now it’s complicity

Yes it is.