USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris

[Chief]

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Can we honestly say that the debate really changed anyone's minds? It's very likely Americans are already decided on who they're going to vote, Trumps supporters are going to believe what he says, Democrats are going to vote for Harris anyway, the most it would have is change the midns of like 60,000 people in inconsequencial states who weren't planning to vote that day going "Eh, might as well"

It's all for show, I do think Harris going for the "Trump is insane" card is the right play, because you can't really deny it, some of the shit he says is funny but it's just starting to become tiring.

I heard a US correspondent on ABC radio the other day, forget what news outlet he was from, and he said his organisation used a polling company whose results rarely shifted, as they found this to be the most trustworthy source.

He said Trump and Biden were always neck and neck or Trump ahead by a percentage point or two at max.

When Biden made way for Harris things barely changed.

They were expecting nothing would change after the debate, because historically, debates rarely have any marked effect on polling, specially this poll.

Soon after the debate, Harris was showing a 5% lead.

He stressed that a lot can happen between now and November, and US polling is never much use on the electoral college question, but said it was completely unprecedented.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Trump is the big fascist they tell you. The right are dangerous, they won't accept the result. If he wins democracy is at stake.

All fear, no substance. Trump is the peace candidate.

The Democrats and the left loot when things go their way. Remember CHAZ. BLM. Tearing down statues, rioting and looting.

They cry about democracy then go into a petty rage when results don't go their way.

LOL talk about false equivalence.

Civil unrest, ugly as it may be, is not the same as refusing to accept a democratic result on the basis of zero evidence.

Pulling down a statue is not the same as forcibly invading a nation’s seat of government and threatening to hang the former vice president of that nation.

You have completely lost the plot.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

How can socialism succeed in the US when they’ve mostly been raised on the frontier, rugged individualism ideal & seem to see basic social safety net stuff as evil/communist?

It’s a hard sell.

Hey man, think big!

 

[Gough]

LOL talk about false equivalence.

Civil unrest, ugly as it may be, is not the same as refusing to accept a democratic result on the basis of zero evidence.

Pulling down a statue is not the same as forcibly invading a nation’s seat of government and threatening to hang the former vice president of that nation.

You have completely lost the plot.

False equivalences have been a MAGA mainstay, they don't want to do any of this they've been forced to by the radical left. They're so pathetic they can't even own their own hate, it's always someone else's fault.

 

[Seeds]

Yes the US made Russia declare war on Ukraine, somehow.

Kyle Kulinksi was saying today you get some weird anarchists/far leftists who are basically inverted neo cons.

While the neo cons think US and allies are always good and right, and all others = bad, the inverted neo-cons see all US enemies as good, and US and its allies as always bad.

Both positions are very dense. The correct answer is you take everything on its merits. US is wrong to fund Israel to high heaven no matter whatever atrocities they do, but right to help Ukraine who were invaded by a foreign power.

If you are ideologically consistent, it’s not too hard to have a coherent view.

That response doesnt answer the question. You said the democrats want to escalate the war in ukraine? What do you mean by that and why is that a bad thing?

 

[Nikita Blue]

Yikes, Walz v Vance will be a bloodbath. The attacks on Walz write themselves: repeated instances of stolen valour. Tampons in boys rooms. Lying about his experience with IVF. Lying about carrying weapons of war in a war zone. Lying about being busted driving 40MPH over the speed limit with a BAC of 1.28. Lying about his rank. Having a missus who publicly announced her enjoyment of the smell of burning tires during deadly riots. If you made a person by combining the worst traits of Biden and Trump, Walz is what you get.

Versus Vance, a self made millenial with zero scandals (to the point that one had to be fabricated, the couch thing).

Can someone please explain to me why such a flawed and dishonest candidate (Walz) from a safe state was chosen over J Shapiro - the popular governor of likely the most important state in the election? Go on... you know the reason... say it!!

Yeah no scandals for Vance except for when he deliberately lied about a group of people, riled up his base, and sat back while his own constituents were demonised and threatened.

 

[Gethelred]

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Tim Waltz is more popular than Taylor Swift.

Also note ideas about ‘anti-capitalist’ sentiment in the US are not backed by any data. +26 vs -37

Where is that taken from?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

He is putrid.

FMD the testimony from the father of the boy who died in the car accident is heartbreaking.

To suffer the tragic loss of a child, and then see this Vance PoS grotesquely lie about it for political gain.

Sort of behaviour you'd expect from a desperate smack addict.

About the only possible excuse I can find for that slimeball Vance is if he's being debased by the mother of all drug habits.

Because no self-respecting human being would do that sort of thing.

Wow that has ruined my morning.