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not long if you hold dictatorial powers and others in parliament support you...Do you now what it takes to change the Constitution?
Which candidate do you think is more lilely to try and do that do you think?not long if you hold dictatorial powers and others in parliament support you...
Example: The Enabling Act of Hitler, passed in March 1933, overrode the Constitution of Germany and allowed the Third Reich to govern without consulting the Parliament.
Clearly Trump.Which candidate do you think is more lilely to try and do that do you think?
Not interested in Germany, this thread is about Harris/Trump Presidential election.not long if you hold dictatorial powers and others in parliament support you...
Example: The Enabling Act of Hitler, passed in March 1933, overrode the Constitution of Germany and allowed the Third Reich to govern without consulting the Parliament.
You are thinking in terms of a functioning democracy where all parties and figures will obey the norms of bourgeois democracy.Not interested in Germany, this thread is about Harris/Trump Presidential election.
The following steps must be completed for an amendment proposed by Congress to be added to the United States Constitution.
Step 1. Passage by Congress. Proposed amendment language must be approved by a two-thirds vote of both houses.
Step 2. Notification of the states. The national archivist sends notification and materials to the governor of each state.
Step 3. Ratification by three-fourths of the states. Ratification of the amendment language adopted by Congress is an up-or-down vote in each legislative chamber. A state legislature cannot change the language. If it does, its ratification is invalid. A governor’s signature on the ratification bill or resolution is not necessary.
More than 11,000 amendments to the Constitution of the United States have been proposed, but only 27 have been ratified. The first 10 amendments, known as the Bill of Rights, were ratified in 1791
Did you just ignore how difficult to make changes to the USA Constitution?You are thinking in terms of a functioning democracy where all parties and figures will obey the norms of bourgeois democracy.
This situation simply does not exist in the United States.
I think there is a real danger is that Trump and his supporters will ignore the Constitution and just attempt to do whatever the **** they want - I feel he doesn't give a **** about escalating violence to impose his will and banking on the opposition not wanting to retaliate.Did you just ignore how difficult to make changes to the USA Constitution?
Republicans were only able to pass 27 bills in 2023 that were sent to the President for signing, the most least productive for decades and you think they can change sections of the Constitution?
The reason I brought up the example of Germany was to explain that in a time of enormous class polarization and intense political crisis, the rules of constitutional democracy get thrown out the window.Did you just ignore how difficult to make changes to the USA Constitution?
Republicans were only able to pass 27 bills in 2023 that were sent to the President for signing, the most least productive for decades and you think they can change sections of the Constitution?
Yes could only imagine the pain his parents have experienced. How brave of them to speak up for their son saying they didn't want his memory debased by those seeking to exploit his death.FMD the testimony from the father of the boy who died in the car accident is heartbreaking.
To suffer the tragic loss of a child, and then see this Vance PoS grotesquely lie about it for political gain.
Sort of behaviour you'd expect from a desperate smack addict.
About the only possible excuse I can find for that slimeball Vance is if he's being debased by the mother of all drug habits.
Because no self-respecting human being would do that sort of thing.
Wow that has ruined my morning.
Ok, but 2 questions:Therefore, the only way to stop Trump is not by voting for Harris, but instead by fighting to build the revolutionary party if the working class.
They're no longer a party interested in actual governing, they want power for power's sake.Did you just ignore how difficult to make changes to the USA Constitution?
Republicans were only able to pass 27 bills in 2023 that were sent to the President for signing, the most least productive for decades and you think they can change sections of the Constitution?
Bingo.They're no longer a party interested in actual governing, they want power for power's sake.
The SEP is not a parliamentary party, it is a revolutionary party. It does not harbour any illusions about achieving socialism through Parliament (in this case Congress).Ok, but 2 questions:
1) How many states is the SEP on the ballot for this election?
2) Do you seriously think the SEP, or any left wing minor parties can do anything in this election, gaining above maybe a few % with the current funding, organisation and public awareness that you have? An honest answer rather than a wishful thinking one please.
If people want to do grassroots worker organisation and champion workers rights organisations, parties even, that's all good. But if they have no viable path to win, then the ONLY viable path to blocking Trump from the White House, is to vote for Harris. That few % of left wing holdouts could send Trump to the White House, with nothing achieved.
This is the reality, you cannot escape it. At least not in this cycle.
Right, so plenty of work there to be done outside of this election.The SEP is not a parliamentary party, it is a revolutionary party. It does not harbour any illusions about achieving socialism through Parliament (in this case Congress).
The SEP is standing in the election in Michigan as a platform to publicise its program as widely as possible to the working class. It has chosen Michigan to stand, because this is home to a very large working class population, and in particular, many Middle Eastern workers who are outraged by the genocide in Gaza, and are looking for a party which genuinely opposes this genocide and has a political program to stop it. The SEP is the only political party on the planet that has this program.
The main issue for the SEP is not who wins the election, but what happens after. This is the point. The conditions within the US will be tumultuous whatever the result of this election, and the demands of the working class for adequate wages, decent access to health care, decent housing, will continue unabated.
At the moment, there is a mass strike in Boeing. The SEP has influence among the Boeing workers, and is calling for them to organise independently of the pro-capitalist union bureaucracy and turn to other sections of the working class for support. The dock workers are soon to face a contract, and - given the example set by the Boeing workers - could easily reject the sell out deal that the bureaucracy will try to impose on them.
Seattle dockworkers support Boeing strikers
Dockworkers are expressing their solidarity with the Boeing rank-and-file workers' revolt against the International Association of Machinists leadership.www.wsws.org
The SEP anticipates an enormous radicalisation in the working class, which is already taking place, and from there a rapid expansion in its influence.
You make it sound like they need to change the constitution to do whatever they want? They have a supreme court that will rubber stamp whatever they want, constitution be damned. Then what happens?Did you just ignore how difficult to make changes to the USA Constitution?
Republicans were only able to pass 27 bills in 2023 that were sent to the President for signing, the most least productive for decades and you think they can change sections of the Constitution?
False. Prior to being selected as VP candidate, Timmy and Shapiro shared the same view of Israel and the war in Gaza.and hasn't been as much of a controversial supporter of another country responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of civilians.
There is no need to run interference for anti semitic behaviour m8. I'll let a lot of things by you slide, but will always call out bigotry!I'm guessing a pretty big factor might be that they preferred to avoid a running mate with as many skeletons in the closet as Shapiro appears to have - may have literally been involved in the cover-up of a murder, signing off on a death by 20 stab wounds being ruled a suicide. Even the Clintons would blush at that one lol. But sure, Walz put tampons in bathrooms and drunk drove once
Maybe look to lower the intake of kool aid from the right wing griftosphere m8.
Trump was going to offer them a monorail... but that's more of a Shelbyville idea.He would have ended up in Springfield Oregon
For you Russian bots , research the Simpsons
I dont. Its conflated nonsense spouted by MAGAs and some Republicans to ' win ' the electionThe reason I brought up the example of Germany was to explain that in a time of enormous class polarization and intense political crisis, the rules of constitutional democracy get thrown out the window.
I think that the US has reached now a level of social and political crisis of similar magnitude to that of Germany in the late 1920s and early 30s.
I did. Its conflated by split media.Therefore, to argue against what I am saying, you would have to explain why you think that the US is not in that level of crisis.
I don't seem to recall Walz coming out and comparing pro Palestine protestors to the KKK, but whatever you need to tell yourself to keep the conspiracy alive.False. Prior to being selected as VP candidate, Timmy and Shapiro shared the same view of Israel and the war in Gaza.
There is no need to run interference for anti semitic behaviour m8. I'll let a lot of things by you slide, but will always call out bigotry!
Trump was going to offer them a monorail... but that's more of a Shelbyville idea.
Oh look, the closet Trumpie continuing his Trump defending posts whilst pretending he's all about 'balanced' discussion. How about you run this one by your experienced (LOL) Neuropsychologist (why the capital?). It's from this year.
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Yes, exactly right. Trump has made clear that if he loses, he will not accept the result.
He will mobilise fascist forces in Jan 6 Mark 2, but having learned the lessons of the previous one, this time it will be alot more clinical and planned.
The posters on this board ridicule Trump, without actually recognising the huge threat he poses to democracy.
The issue is that there is not a widely enough known political alternative to the entire capitalist framework.Therefore, people might lapse into the mental mechanisms that you suggest.
However, there is an alternative, and it needs to get promoted as widely as possible:
The 2024 US elections and the tasks of the Socialist Equality Party
We are publishing here the main resolution adopted by the Eighth National Congress of the Socialist Equality Party (US), held from August 4 to August 9, 2024.www.wsws.org
I am sorry, but you are forgetting Charlottesville, you are forgetting how Trump was about to bring out the military in response to protests against the murder of George Floyd...
Trump has already declared that if he wins, he will deport 20 million immigrants. This can only be done under a police state.
He has also declared openly that the democrats are enrolling illegal immigrants to vote for them, signalling that he will launch another coup attempt based on fraudulent charges of a "'stolen election" should he lose.
Trump is a prowar fascist politician. His immediate policies will be aimed at suppressing opposition to his rule within the US by using police/military repression. Hence his ability to pose as an "anti-war" candidate. He might temporarily wind down the war in Ukraine, in order to deal with opposition within the US
Once that is done, he will turn to initiating war against China.
Trump is also on record to have declared that :"Israel needs to get the job done" - in other words, just as pro-genocide as Biden.